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I would, but it's too late now. Unless you magically come up with a full squad by Sunday to replace Mineshack.

Here are the results of the draft filler round - enjoy your new squad or squaddies Draft Fillers: Wardan5 -- from chaos pub wants on a squad. INRI / Digital_HR -- from I think StarFire Elite wants on a squad. Slum -- from TW Kentasaurus -- league / pb I suppose Danks - league DarkDenizen -- league Dequadin -- league in the past, hockey zone (rly essential for 4v4 skills) Partsi -- chaos pub, 200 erating pracs. Glamdring -- from 2001, Arctos thinks that he convinced Glamdring to play again... Default: Danks, DarkDenizen, Dequadin, Kentasaurus, INRI, Glamdring, Wardan5, Slum, Partsi Maimer, Arctos, KN ||Arctos, KN, Maimer || KN, Maimer, Arctos Maimer: Danks, DarkDenizen, Dequadin, Kentasaurus, INRI, Glamdring, Wardan5, Slum, Partsi Arctos: Glamdring, Danks, DarkDenizen, Dequadin, Kentasauris, INRI, Wardan5, Slum, Partsi KN: danks,kentasauuras,dequadin,darkdenizen,partsi,inri,glamdring,wardan5,slum Team Maimer gets: Danks INRI Wardan5 Team Arctos gets: Glamdring DarkDenizen Slum Team KN gets: Kentasaurus Dequadin Partsi Rem - Arc: Jae, Nightwasp, aiti Rem - KN: Dagger??, Praetor Maimer didn't submit any to remove yet. The people who got drafted here, message me with the name you will use on your draft squad. It cannot be the same name as your name on a real squad's roster.

Arctos' axe-list: aiti, Jae, Nightwasp Arctos' recruit list: Glamdring, random 7, Partsi [sep 15 09:53] KNeWWiN: danks,kentasauuras,dequadin,darkdenizen,partsi,inri,glamdring,wardan5,slum remove:dagger, preator I'll establish a default order for these people via awesome pilots who get to rate them and use that as a template.

Standings after Round 2: 1 Assassins 2-0 17 0.333 2 team maimer 2-0 15 0.333 3 Llamas 2-0 13 0.333 4 The Dark 2-0 11 0.667 5 Nguyens 2-0 9 0.25 6 Sterling 1-1 5 0.75 7 Team KN 1-1 -2 0.25 8 Rebels 0-2 -12 0.333 9 StarFire Elite 0-2 -12 0.667 10 Mineshack 0-2 -14 0.75 11 !norating 0-2 -15 0.667 12 Die Antwoord 0-2 -15 0.667 Round 2 Results: 9/11 3:59 pm team maimer def Mineshack 11-6 log 9/11 3:54 pm Llamas def !norating 12-6 log 9/11 3:53 pm Nguyens def StarFire Elite 12-10 log 9/11 2:51 pm The Dark def Sterling 12-10 log 9/11 2:44 pm Assassins def Die Antwoord 12-4 log 9/11 2:39 pm Team KN def Rebels 12-7 log The quite cleverly aliased mAImER2 went 4-1 with 6FR as Team Maimer (6 players used) defeated Mineshack (4 players used). Street Fighter managed 4-1 with 9FR as Llamas handily defeated !norating. Llamas used 7 players, !norating used 5. In 18 deaths total only 2 repels were wasted. I recommend typing !game 102034 for some really weird boxscore statistics. I subbed mitf, realdeal subbed DarkDenizen. KN subbed GRAMPS. All that being said, Nguyens won SFE 12-10 in a rather odd game. The Dark defeated Sterling 12-10. Sterling was already up 4v3 at 7-5 but about 10 minutes later peng decided to gunduel three people at once to make it 3v3. Tool then snuck his spider close to Nadai for a kill, then exploded in a big cloud of bullets and bombs that were repelled at him I reckon. 2v2, Da Monkk managed to spray and pray Kdak who got stuck between some walls. Assassins vs. Die Antwoord was pretty unsurprising. Hachiko got 11 FR along with a kill vs. Rebels. In total Team KN forced 23 repels. I believe the maximum number you can force is 4*2*3+2=26. So that's a statistical anomaly. ------- Team Maimer vs. Sterling will basically be the first game where the core of the draft squad (3 of sterling, who have been there) take on themselves. In theory the people from other squads will play for Team Maimer and try to make it as hard as possible for Sterling to even make Pro. 3pm: Team Maimer vs. Sterling -- 102367 !norating vs. Die Antwoord -- 102368 I'll call this a bit later than the other two Assassins vs. Nguyens -- 102369 4pm or after Ass vs. Nguyens is done: Rebels vs. Mineshack -- 102370 Llamas vs. StarFire Elite -- 102372 The Dark vs. Team KN -- 102373

Draft captains, can you get back to me with a list that goes first to 9th pick from the list above, and the players you'd be removing. No, you cannot remove the newbies from your team and no, you cannot remove the players who have actually showed up to play. I'm talking about the Mops and Captors and whatnot, who we all know to be inactive for draft purposes I'll randomize the draft order and just run the lists in that order.

Updated the original post.

The settings have been the same for a while now. (4 seasons or so). Let me know if you find a mistake or I forgot to list something important. Javelin was changed for Season 34. Universal settings: Max energy: 1700 Recharge rate: 1150 per 10 seconds so 115 a second. Bullet damage: 212, fixed. Shrap damage, active: 190, 90% of 212 rounded down Shrap damage, inactive: 5, doubled when calculated, no one knows why, so 10. Direct bomb damage: 750 - add the shrap for all but weasel, 8*10 = 830 For the nerds out there: Direct emp = 750 (or close) and 4 seconds of loss of charge, 750+4*115 = 1210 damage Repel speed: 3600 Repel range: 512 pixels Brick time: 20 seconds Brick span: 15 tiles Bullet speed: 2000 Bomb speed: 2005 Rocket duration: 10 seconds Rocket speed: 4000 Rocket thrust: 25 Turret limit: 1 Bullet cost: 60 Bomb cost: 350 Mine cost: 550 X-Radar cost: 100 per 10 seconds Multi angle: 500 in very weird subspace units. (111 = 1 degree, 1000 = 1 ship-rotation-point) Multi fire delay: 50 hundreths of a second. Bomb delay: 150 Bullet alive time: 550 hundreths of a second so 5.5 seconds Bomb alive time: 6000 so 1 minute. Maximum Mines: 1 per player, 5 per team. (yeah, fancy that) ( Maximum Bursts: 3) Maximum Repels: 2 Maximum Decoy: 2 Maximum Bricks: 1 Maximum Thors: 1 Maximum Rockets: 3 Maximum Portals: 2 Almost universal: Anti-warp cost: 50 for everything but Shark and Lancaster. 150 for Sharks, 0 for Lancasters. Initial bricks: 0 for everything but Leviathan. 1 for Leviathans. Multi bullet cost: 105 for everything but Terrier. 90 for Terrier. Maximum speed: 3250 for everything but Javelin. Javelin speeds: 3500 normal, 3750 with afterburner. Afterburner cost: 0 for everything but Javelin, 700/10 seconds for Javelin. Stealth energy: 333 for everything but Spider, 150 for Spider. Shrapnel: 8 for everything but Weasel. Weasel has none. Bullet fire delay: 24 hundreths of a second for everything but Shark. 18 for Shark. Ship specifics - Warbird: Thrust: 19 Rotation: 290 - 400 would be full 360 degrees in one second. Guns: 3 Bombs: 2 Ship specifics - Javelin (-> S33): Thrust: 18 Rotation: 260 Speed: 3550 Guns: 3 Bombs:2 (old) Ship specifics - Javelin (-> S33): Thrust: 17 without Afterburner, 19 with Afterburner. Rotation: 260 Speed: 3500 without Afterburner, 3750 with Afterburner. Guns: 3 Bombs: 2 Ship specifics - Spider: Thrust: 18 Rotation: 260 Cloak cost: 200 Guns: 3 Bombs: 2 Minesee on radar. Ship specifics - Leviathan: Thrust: 18 Rotation: 260 Guns: 3 Bombs: 3 Bombsee on radar up to level 4, thors are invisible. Spawns with a brick. Ship specifics - Terrier: Thrust: 18 Rotation: 260 Multi cost: 90 Guns: 3 - dual barrel Bombs: 2 Ship specifics - Weasel: Thrust: 18 Rotation: 250 Guns: 3 Bombs: 2 - EMP Minesee on radar. No delay on firing bullets or repel after firing a bomb. Ship specifics - Lancaster: Thrust: 18 Rotation: 270 Guns: 3 Anti-warp cost: 0 Bombs: 2 - Bouncing, 2 bounces. Bombsee on radar up to level 4, thors are invisible. Ship specifics - Shark: Thrust: 18 Rotation: 260 Bullet fire rate: 18 Anti-warp cost: 150 Guns: 3 Bombs: 2 EDIT: Added bomb and bullet alive times from the top of my head since Arctos asked about them. I'll doublecheck them eventually..

Round 2 will be played this Sunday, !schedule on the bots will still display last weekend, don't mind that.

Standings: 1 team maimer 1-0 10 0 2 Assassins 1-0 9 0 3 The Dark 1-0 9 0 4 Llamas 1-0 7 0 5 Nguyens 1-0 7 0 6 Sterling 1-0 7 0 7 Die Antwoord 0-1 -7 0 8 Rebels 0-1 -7 0 9 Team KN 0-1 -7 0 10 !norating 0-1 -9 0 11 Mineshack 0-1 -9 0 12 StarFire Elite 0-1 -10 0 Results: 8/28 3:51 pm Assassins def !norating 12-3 log 8/28 3:43 pm The Dark def Mineshack 12-3 log 8/28 3:30 pm Sterling def Team KN 12-5 log 8/28 2:50 pm Llamas def Die Antwoord 12-5 log 8/28 2:44 pm Nguyens def Rebels 12-5 log 8/28 2:31 pm team maimer def StarFire Elite 12-2 log !norating had Dingo (javelin) at 2 deaths by 2-2 score. Then Assassins got all of !norating to x-2 before finishing them off one by one from 9-3 to 12-3. Saiyan 5-1 7fr. Mineshack vs. The Dark wasn't really even close, mad clown opened with 0-2 in 1:32. The two other pilots in for Mineshack (pseudo and arctos) tried to make a move, while Candyman bravely ran away for stats. Candy then eventually specced with 0-1 and was assigned a 0-3 for his efforts. Team KN had one newbie, one rebel, one llama and three Nguyens play. Sterling beat them in what seems like a pretty typical 12-5. Die Antwoord (Team Arctos) managed to give 3 newbies playtime (4 if you count candyman ) based on both squads' chats, it wasn't a perfect game for either and some surprising lag deaths occured. Nguyens beat Rebels, with Rebels helping us by messing up a fullsub (and a death sub?) after I subbed in. Clearly they were mentally defeated at that point. KN stole the stats, 7-1 7FR for +35 rating in round one. StarFire Elite didn't have their best game against Team Maimer. SFE showed up with 4, Team Maimer with 3. Team Maimer won the game 12-2 (empty slots are not converted if you win, they are converted if you lose.) I don't know how it happened, byt MfA exploded three times in 4:54. -------- Schedule, there will be a draft filler / replacement round before round 3 somehow. If you are not on a draft team and want a chance to get involved, let me know somehow. Like in the draft filler thread. The idea is for the captains to axe people who don't show up, and pick up people who at least claim they are interested. This would make it easier to schedule draft teams' games and not end up with them no-showing as well. 3pm: Sterling vs. The Dark 102029 Assassins vs. Die Antwoord 102030 Team KN vs. Rebels 102031 4pm: !norating vs. Llamas 102032 Team Maimer vs. Mineshack 102033 Nguyens vs. StarFire Elite 102034

I don't think we can. We can however sit in spec and wonder how a certain spider player is in a line-up with his spider and 3 weasels, then writes in blue about the opponents' 4 wb lobbing, which usually means keeping their distance. As if it would be a very good plan to get close to what is pretty certain EMPs and a spider Spider slow the game down (when played right), if you pick one, deal with it

Here we go, into a rather experimental season with the draft squads and such. You can all start bickering about how you'd like to play the semis (currently best of 1) and finals (currently best of 3 and not likely to go down to 1) 3pm -- I'll probably be too busy playing to play around with the draft team rosters much, so try to get your aliases to me before this: Die Antwoord vs. Llamas 101886 StarFire Elite vs. Team Maimer 101887 Nguyens vs. Rebels 101888 -- will be announced a bit later than the other games so I can add aliases 4pm or after my game ends if there's no other 4v4 staffer online: Assassins vs. !norating 101889 Team KN vs. Sterling 101890 The Dark vs. Mineshack 101891 The numbers after the games are the GameIDs which all 4v4 staff members can !refload and then !announce and then !start in case the captains don't ready. In case of a no-show, !start -> !setscore 12-0-> make sure you set it right or !setscore 0-12. In case of the last player on a team lagging out / speccing !setdeaths playername 3 gives them the proper deaths.

Nah, preseason 1 this Sunday. Bots look good at the moment, let's hope it stays that way. There are no real precautions we can take, well, ever

For season 30: The roster limit for draft squads was/is 25. For real squads it remains at 14. Rosters soft-lock at round -1 for Draft, and round 6 (that's right before round 6 is played) for real squads. After this point, you will not be able to change squads. People on squads cannot be kicked off squads. People that have not been on a squad this season can still join a squad that has free space on their roster. If someone manages to get axed off their squad on the Saturday before round 6, some extended grace period may be granted to them. The rosters will be locked for all movement at round 9. Which is a few rounds before playoffs. Playoffs will be Top 6 / bottom 6. BYE rounds for top 2 in each division, #3s get to pick their first round opponent, with default to the lowest seed. #1 get to pick the match-up of their choice for the semis. Round 1 of playoffs will be best of 1. Semis at this point best of 1 also (we can change this, if people want to) and Finals best of three as usual. The season winner will be in A1, Regular season #1 will be in A1 and the best Draft team will get their name in there somewhere, and their roster posted elsewhere. Oh the glory and fame. I will eventually edit this post into the original one and add some general rules, so there should be only one post for anyone to read to get a good look at league rules. Oh, and I'll update the ship settings too.

Not that simple with a fixed schedule, unless a team drops out and we can replace them. And yes, that also means that there probably won't be such thing as "late entry" squads either. One of those would add both bye rounds and double rounds.

The bots were down so preseason was canceled (read: postponed to this upcoming weekend, provided the bots are there). There have been a few people asking me about still getting on a draft squad. We cannot infinitely bloat the roster size for them up, at least before it is proven than 25 isn't enough. So here's my plan for now, After 2 rounds, so before round 3, we have a draft revamp thing where the captains get to axe people who haven't showed up, and pick up people who at least claim to be interested. I know there were at least 3 of these people, but thanks to a technical failure (I forgot to save my notepad ) I lost one of the messages. Wardan5 -- from chaos pub wants on a squad. INRI / Digital_HR -- from I think StarFire Elite wants on a squad. Slum -- from TW Kentasaurus -- league / pb I suppose Danks - league DarkDenizen -- league Dequadin -- league in the past, hockey zone (rly essential for 4v4 skills) Partsi -- chaos pub, 200 erating pracs. Glamdring -- from 2001, Arctos thinks that he convinced Glamdring to play again... If we have more existing players who feel like they have the time and effort in them to possibly play two games a weekend, one on a draft squad and one on their real squad, let me know, I'll add your name here. For example, Mop said he'd never show for draft. Oh, and clearly you cannot axe the newbies even if they don't show up

If the bots are still AWOL tomorrow I guess preseason 1 is canceled.

August 14th. Rosters can be edited by staff members, they are basically unlocked until round 6ish. 3pm: Team KN vs. Team Maimer -- see if you were drafted, http://www.subspace....post__p__277234 You will need to register an alias to play with on your draft squad. StarFire Elite vs. !norating -- No, el father, I won't remove the squad from league just because you cannot handle being called a lagger Assassins vs. Sterling 4pm: Die Antwoord vs. Nguyens -- as above, although Antwoord has a decent amount of roster already. Rebels vs. Mineshack The Dark vs. Llamas I'll be busy playing with the aliases at 3, although ass and sterling also being at 3 will eat up the draft teams' players. Which works ok to see if the newbies and "newbies" are going to show up There should be no round 1 match-ups in this, but I'm not sure.

Yeah I didn't do pre-season in that, but it will be on the 14th. This year its function will mostly be to add draft aliases to rosters and wake the rest of the players up as usual.

Hell yeah, had some issues editing it again. So I just got lazy and put it in as an image, with awesome all-excel formatting. All squads should play all other squads exactly once and no squad should have 2 games any given week. If you find a mistake, please point it out so I can waste 50 minutes trying to fix it.

Here are your match-ups. The times will be assigned during the weeks between rounds, because it's simply too much work to get them right now (I have to dodge assigning the same time to all two active staff members and all).

Real squad rosters - max is still 14, rosters will be semi-locked all season. You cannot freely edit them, find a way to contact me or some other staffer to add people to your roster. You cannot add people on Sundays. After the rosters lock for real (round 6 or so), you cannot remove people from your roster either. Due to the rules being quite silly, both the captain and the player added need to confirm all movement. Draft squad rosters - 25. The limit is higher so hopefully there won't be no-shows. The rosters are quite stacked, but not all people are expected to show up, and some might have their own games / squad pracs and whatnot. You cannot add players to your draft roster.

Ok here are the drafted rosters and the team names if one was given. The players on the teams who are also involved with a "real" squad need to register an alias they want to be added to the draft squad with. You can do this by ?messaging me with the alias from your other name -- these aliases will be PUBLIC and on this thread at a later date. Some minor cases of bending the rules were made during the draft since all the captains didn't mind drafting from outside the draft pool. Or having Arctos potentially have 4 assassins, etc. Team Arctos -- Die Antwoord Captain: Arctos From newbie pool: Malign hook-ups Omeaga Project Oilers84 Weatherhelm Requiem -> Fahrenheit Existing players: Candyman -> LL Cool C Enforcer -> 6 Three -> Christian Nadai -> Soulya Teddy -> Pracstats 9-Volt -> 9-V Captor -> Nesubenebded Caerbannog -> Statistics aiti Jones -> apa Jocker Ankh -> Foffo Spearjig Crayzee Nightwasp sabrewolf -> Hadou Jae Something Dutch -> S D Neo -> Shoji Fillers: Glamdring DarkDenizen Slum Team KN Captain; Kingnewbie -> KinGNGuyen Newbies: ice2702 Curtis Lee G!$! The Real Picard Nude For Satan -> Nude for V4 Paranoid Existing players: The Village Bike -> Hachiko NeWWiN -> Hibachi Kdak -> kdakcialkdja Saiyan Street Fighter -> Apollo Creed Legacy -> Mercenary krellin ossi -> Shaolin develop -> i n c a . elmo Masterlord -> Hoarmurath chrono Praetor blink -> qaws NINE Mad Clown vt Solar Hydro -> Always Mind Fillers: Kentasaurus Dequadin Partsi Team Maimer Captain: Maimer -> mAImER2 Newbies: elf Baron 3 K G B trains Voyd Sath Existing players: Tool -> Lunacriss Rage -> Jake Da Monkk SUPERPRO -> sath IS stupid Devil's Dad mindriot -> Big Bee Damnatus -> pseudo Ra -> Rebel Hope gato -> Kentasaurusrex Mop 7th -> 11th GRAMPS -> PewPew Tidal bhang hedcase8 neacsu Cicada fedu Fillers: Danks INRI -> Csport Wardan5 The draft took a while, but one of those powerhouses with twice the roster size to a real squad should maybe provide interesting games for even the top teams.

Team Kingnewbie ice2702 Curtis Lee G!$! The Real Picard Nude For Satan Paranoid The Village Bike NeWWiN Kdak Saiyan Street Fighter Legacy krellin ossi develop elmo Masterlord Team Maimer elf Baron 3 K G B trains Voyd Sath Tool Rage Da Monkk SUPERPRO Devil's Dad mindriot Damnatus Ra gato Mop 7th

The above post has all the draftable players listed. We'll just try to spam out the draft squad compositions out enough for the captains to be able to do their thing.

Captans: Arctos KingNewbie Drafted first: Baron 3 - chaos pub Oilers84 - chaos pub Nude For Satan - chaos pub Voyd ? - chaos pub hook-ups - chaos pub Malign - chaos pub G!$! - powerball / ex-The Dark bench Requiem - according to his forum sig, trench wars. ice2702 - ex-Externals and Joke and Infinite or something. Weatherhelm - by the looks of his post he has played 4v4 before. Who knows. trains - a newbie, apparently. K G B - chaos player, old one at that. elf - who is not a newbie Curtis Lee - also not a genuine newbie. The Real Picard Omeaga Project - chaos 14 total -- Max roster of draft pushed up to 25. Then available, anyone from last season minus Happy Mob and LSF, and added in Mineshack roster. DZ-4v4-Bot> Roster: mineshack - Access Level (0=active, 1=captain) DZ-4v4-Bot> ------------------------------------- DZ-4v4-Bot> | neacsu - 2 [inactive] -- Inactivity means nothing on the actual rosters btw, but I probably wouldn't draft neacsu. DZ-4v4-Bot> | Candyman - 1 [CAPTAIN] DZ-4v4-Bot> | mindriot - 1 [CAPTAIN] Removed mind, three, damnatus from the list below. DZ-4v4-Bot> | Three - 1 [CAPTAIN] DZ-4v4-Bot> | Damnatus - 0 [Active] DZ-4v4-Bot> | mad clown - 0 [Active] DZ-4v4-Bot> | twista - 0 [Active] !norating Roster Name Captain Erat cash flow king 1378 sixth 1366 Macuto 1351 el father Captain 1241 dethknel 1114 leftyloosey 1086 fedu 1072 Nightwasp 1050 Domitius 971 Supreme 912 2 896 Portola Total: 12 Top 8 Erat: 1207 Assassins Roster Name Captain Erat Mop Captain 2032 saiyan 1682 9-Volt Captain 1635 ossi 1614 Sika 1608 ro 1574 taifun 1556 Develop Captain 1509 bhang 1433 Parabola 1389 Teddy 1292 arc 1153 Neo Captain 1024 Total: 13 Top 8 Erat: 1651 Llamas Roster Name Captain Erat Bushes 1511 Ghostbuster17 1446 Preator 1327 hedcase8 1323 cfl 1317 Mog 1200 Aramen 1130 Hooker with a Penis 1123 fresh 1111 Street Fighter Captain 1072 Lao 1017 Cicada Captain 956 Plumpy 903 Wado Kai 613 Total: 14 Top 8 Erat: 1297 Mineshack Roster Name Captain Erat Damnatus 1539 Three Captain 1532 neacsu 1436 mad clown 1415 aiti 1311 mindriot Captain 991 Black Psycho 984 Candyman Captain 948 twista 941 Pry 912 Hellsbane 840 Total: 11 Top 8 Erat: 1270 Nguyens Roster Name Captain Erat The Village Bike 1912 Caerbannog 1810 Enforcer Captain 1583 jocker 1495 KneWWin Captain 1419 realdeal 1413 7th 1261 gramps 1223 NeWWiN Captain 1167 egg roll 1017 Total: 10 Top 8 Erat: 1515 Rebels Roster Name Captain Erat Dagger 1544 vt 1421 Masterlord Captain 1387 Euripedes 1359 gato 1312 Ra Captain 1248 Raspi 1240 Tidal 1064 Sabrewolf 1006 Pog 945 Iceman Captain 933 Dark Alpha Total: 12 Top 8 Erat: 1322 StarFire Elite Roster Name Captain Erat Pehkle 1526 A Suicidal Dentist 1337 FoxTrot 1149 Riverside 1149 Something Dutch Captain 1138 Rei 1137 scubie 1079 MfA Captain 1043 G o G o 1002 Mauler 988 INRI 956 Jones 909 Ankh 879 Solar Hydro Captain 444 Total: 14 Top 8 Erat: 1195 Sterling Roster Name Captain Erat Seismic 1604 babaloo 1503 Kdak Captain 1456 elmo 1388 mAImER Captain 1369 Primos 1352 mr. penguin 1277 Jae 1249 Nine 1228 varsity 1147 Jaku 1111 Porcupine Tree Captain 1038 John Digweed 1019 Total: 13 Top 8 Erat: 1400 The Dark Roster Name Captain Erat Da Monkk Captain 1901 Devil's Dad 1579 Chrono 1432 Benji 1407 nillerk 1381 Captor 1348 NadaI 1315 SUPERPRO 1237 Korean 1234 Crayzee 1227 Garcon 1213 Legacy 1200 Motorzep Captain 1192 Valheru 734 Total: 14 Top 8 Erat: 1450 For past season activity to use as a guideline of some sort: http://www.subspace....post__p__275794