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Point, but it still doesn't mean it was right or acceptable behavior, necessarily.
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Agreed. The objective is, ideally, to have a high-quality wiki for Continuum. Agreed, besides there's a lot of issues around deciding who's a VIP and who isn't - that's liable to be a very subjective thing. True.
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First target: links!
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Welcome back.
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Oh?
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That is good to hear. The situation as I know it is as follows: CRe>, Aceflyer (myself), and Trained wanted FTP access to getcontinuum.com so that we could update the links and maybe even redesign/improve the layout a bit. The reason we wanted FTP access was because getcontinuum.com has clearly not been updated in a good long time and most of the links are just broken. There are zones listed there that don't even exist as such anymore. We felt that, as getcontinuum.com is one of the central websites for Continuum, updating it would help with our efforts to promote Continuum. CRe> established contact with Wonderer, and after extensive negotiations (or so I heard), and getting quite a few (around 10, I think) community leaders and zone owners to vouch for us, Wonderer still refused to give us FTP access, and stated that he would only do so if we got most of the Council to support us. While I believed that that was theoretically tractable (even though it'd probably take a while), Trained at this point got upset, and decided that we might as well make a separate website that we could update.
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I know, me too.
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Both BanG sites (the network ban dispute site as well as the "BanG site") still work AFAIK. I use the latter site on a daily basis.
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Agreed.
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Is Accede still run by SSM? If yes we will be more than happy to have Accede once again for SSM LegoWars.
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Blame Keira, she's the one who bumped it.
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Basically I do: Settings Websites - CSS, HTML, PHP Programming; Flat File and MySQL Databases I also program in C and C++, but so far I haven't used either of these languages in Continuum-related development efforts. For more information: Aceflyer (SSWiki Page) Aceflyer Design (Personal Website)
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As for myself... http://www.aceweekend.com/aceflyer.jpg Sux doesn't it.
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Ah, I see. It appears I misunderstood you earlier, my apologies. Granted. I too agree with Samapico's !@#$%^&*essment of the situation.
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FYI, I wasn't the person who wrote that particular article on SSWiki. I am also aware I am far from being an authority on either Subgame or ASSS. No, if SSWiki were known to have strict quality standards, that line would be taken as a statement of fact - which it is. Granted. And just why is that? I am pretty sure ASSS has more features than Subgame; the only feature I know of that Subgame has that ASSS doesn't have is a more flexible /*sendto command, but that isn't much of an advantage and I am pretty sure that could be implemented in ASSS if they wanted to.
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Hopefully they will. I couldn't care less about the particulars of rootbear75's moderation experience. My main purpose for starting this thread was to hopefully stimulate discussion about implementing a reasonable moderation system for the individual player pages at SSWiki. I felt that I needed an example of why such moderation would be necessary, and hence used rootbear75's page as an example. In retrospect I should have left out the specific example altogether; oh well.
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"It offers more features and greater flexibility than [[subgame]]" Does it? Where is your references to back up that opinion It may be rather difficult to find appropriate references for SSWiki material as I think there are rather few reliable do!@#$%^&*ents having to do with Continuum to start with. This is in sharp contrast to most Wikipedia material, which can easily cite scientific data and/or articles written by the press. As far as ASSS goes, it is pretty obvious it offers more features and greater flexibility than Subgame. For example, I'd love to give Moderators the ability to /*prize in SWE, but that is not possible because Subgame doesn't allow it. ASSS, on the other hand, would allow that easily. Sure, you can argue that, in this example for instance, using a bot could allow Moderators to give out prizes in a Subgame zone, but that doesn't change the fact that bots are not part of Subgame. Now this I agree is an unquantifiable opinion that shouldn't be there. Ideally, if personal player pages on SSWiki were held to the same standards of quality that pages about specific people on Wikipedia are held to, personal player pages on SSWiki would serve as an accurate, central, convenient, and impartial source of information on specific Continuum players. This is something that could be quite beneficial to the community overall. Of course, as it is currently implemented, the personal player pages on SSWiki are indeed more or less useless. Unfortunately.
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Might I inquire as to why you're hijacking the topic I started to ask about your personal ban?
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Thanks CRe>, I appreciate that. IMHO, Maurath's ban was justified.
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How exactly is this relevant? I never said I used the terminology "let go" on my personal page at the Wiki.
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I never used the word 'fired' in my original post. I used the terminology 'let go'. And I see no reason why the rule can't work. I'm not proposing allowing everyone free reign to edit specific players' Wiki pages. I'm proposing a system for reporting inaccuracies to the Wiki Moderators, who can then decide what to do. To head off one potential response: As far as the possibility of people abusing the report system and swamping the Wiki Moderators with work, that can be handled the same way people are, ah, dissuaded from abusing ?help or ?cheater commands in zones: abuse the system and get banned.
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Fair enough. I don't have any problem with the amount of detail. For example, in my personal page on the Wiki, I didn't include any information on why I stopped being Webmaster at Hyperspace. I don't think that's a problem, because the important thing is that there is nothing inaccurate with what I did put there. To use our previous example, if rootbear75 had just listed his staff experience without mentioning anything about why he stopped being staff at each zone, I wouldn't have any issues with it. For example, this line from rootbear75's page is, IMHO, completely fine: "Desert Storm: Staffed for one month as a probo mod in the fall of 2007" He didn't include any information on why he stopped being staff at Desert Storm, and I think that's fine, because what he did write (that he was a probo mod for one month there) is accurate. My issue is that he seems to be misrepresenting (either intentionally or unintentionally) what happened. Of course there are always different points of view about most anything, but saying you 'left' when in actuality you were 'removed' is just inarguably incorrect no matter what your point of view. On a resume I'd try to portray myself as best I could while maintaining strict accuracy and sticking to the facts. I'm not going to write misleading statements just so I can make myself seem better. Besides, I wasn't aware these pages were supposed to function as resumes. I thought the pages existed more to serve as a source of information on specific players. If I look up a page about a specific person on Wikipedia, for example, I expect the information there to be accurate and the overall article to be objective. I don't expect articles on specific people on Wikipedia to function as those people's resumes.
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As far as I know, most of the Wiki is generally open to editing/revision by members of the community here, but any personal player page is considered to belong to the named player. Am I correct, or may anyone edit, say, Player A's page if they find an inaccuracy in it? If I am correct, I feel we should have some sort of system set up where the Wiki Moderators oversee reports about inaccuracies in personal player pages. This would prevent abuse of the Wiki, because otherwise there would be no system to prevent inaccuracies or outright fabrications in those pages. Comments or feedback? For example (and I'm not trying to pick on anyone in particular, but this was just something that caught my eye), rootbear75's page contains several inaccuracies or misleading statements: > "Dragonball Z: Head Smod as the staff coordinator/trainer" with no mention of him being let go from staff there, seems to imply he is currently Head SMod at DBZ, which is incorrect AFAIK based on his own as well as L Y N X's statements to me recently. > "Star Wars (now known as Star Wars Empire): Staffed as smod, and was demoted to mod because of inactivity. Left because of too many staff positions" seems to imply he resigned from staff because he disagreed with the staff setup in the zone. In actuality, he was let go from staff because he didn't do anything for the zone (complete inactivity). > "Halo: Staffed for 4 days as a League Coordinator. Left because of issues with other staff members" seems to imply he resigned from staff because he didn't like his colleagues there. But the version I know says he was let go because of said issues (he didn't resign).
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Agreed.
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Agreed. Just look at what happened when VIE tried it way back in the Nineties.