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It's not hopping. Even when he put you on one team, and you switched to the other. The reason is because you were trying to switch to the team you were ORIGINALLY on. Thats not hopping. You were going against what Spidernl wanted, so maybe it follows under a rule of disobeying staff or something. But even then if there was no warning you both at fault, so it's a none issue. If he did warn you, then all you did was not listen. However it's still not hopping, at least by definition.

Well the less interaction between player and staff the better imo for the zone. If a bot specs me for something it was programmed to spec me for, then I would not rage at the bot, and tell it that its treating me unfairly. Or say that it has a personal bias towards me etc. The same is not true for a staffer, and it is sometimes the case where the staff member actually does abuse. I say take staff out of the picture. We should not know who staffers even are. They should be involved in development only. Anything that involves rule enforcing should be done by bots or modules. Bans should be restricted to cheaters only.

"And Unix, your definition of hopping is fine. But when I see you sit in spec for a while, when teams are incredibly imbalanced and one team is almost winning a fairly high jackpot, and then within 2 seconds of that other player joining, you go in and 'happen to' get onto the team that's 80 seconds from winning and has all the 'veteran' players, it's good enough for me." By your own admission, and Unix. He was in spec. Spidernl even stated he was in spec for awhile. This is not hopping. Do you know what hopping is? Use the proper term if your going to enforce a rule at least. Hopping is when you go from one team to another, pretty much directly, because your team is losing. All those factors need to be present. If he was in spec for awhile there was no HOPPING involved. He was in spec, and joined a team. Your rule should be that people in spec should not join winning teams. This is called OPPORTUNISM.

It is redundant, since dsb keeps digging its own grave, despite the fact i tell them what to fix, and even when i offered maps they declined everything i ever did, and tried to keep me from helping etc. Their continual failure already harmed the whole of ss making dsb meaningless.. I think Subspace lost 10-20% of its population as DSB died. While I was in dsb, i was gagged, their rules only state racism, swearing etc. Not opinion. They don't like that I have a mind they can't control. They would tell me how to think if they could. This is like Orwells 1984. Sure you can do what you want in your zone but 1. you wont have players 2. don't make rules stating one thing and then do another (at least make rules to follow what you want, or follow the rules you made) If there was a rule saying they could gag me if they don't like what i have to say. Then I wouldn't care what they do. The reason they don't have a rule saying they'll do whatever they want is because no one would play there if they did. Then I was restricted from bombers, and given engine shut downs for killing from NKZ. Another archaic old rule, that serves no purpose. 1. If you don't like killing nkz, then remove nkz from the deathstar, they mutilated the map when they put NKZ's inside the deathstar. 2. EG and every other zone has spawn or NKZ killing and no rules to ban you for playing rofl, and the freedom to allow players to play how they want to. Such a joke rule. PS Its easier to get nkz kills in a fighter, than it is in a bomber, so they actually made it worse. Bomber has things like proximity which get in the way.

You think I'm smart, thats nice. Most people don't know how to attack or hurt me, so they analyze me for my greatest talents/traits (one being that i am very smart) and attempt to knock those talents/traits down, in an attempt to harm me. However, I know how you think and why you think it, so I generally just see this as people acknowledging my superior intellect. After all would you walk up to a kid with downsyndrome and call him stupid? Unlikely. If it's true, and obvious, there is no need to say it. Unless you actually do walk up to disabled kids, and call them stupid whenever you see one?

DSB THE EPIC FAIL ZONE - Zone Still failing after my return from 6 month ban Troll God enters DSB after 6 month ban(and already being policed) It's obvious they have nothing better to do like fix their zone, because its thriving so much, so they sit in spec and try to be my mother. Welcome to DSB (www.deathstarbattle.com). Official DSB chats are ?chat=dsb (general chat) and ?chat=dsbp (DSB practice chat). Press F1 for help and commands (keep pressing F1 for more help) You have 1 new message. Type ?messages to read Eridu> hi falc Falconeer> a nice and empty zone Eridu> god dont start plz Falconeer> even after the 'population boost' Eridu> we're in need of a lot of help, plz take diff approach this time and help us out Eridu> and it has gotten a little better Troll God, giving Lessons to the players Legodude19> shut up Legodude19> o_o Falconeer> youll soon learn the meaning of troll god Falconeer> lego dude Legodude19> MAN Legodude19> yea? Legodude19> great Troll God explaining why a squad in DSB is useless now Falconeer> lucky beer is only one here Falconeer> he does nothing Eridu> shh Eridu> join a squad falc Falconeer> if it was any other staff theyd have banned me by now Eridu> help nub factor Falconeer> squads pointless in a dead zone Eridu> no we've had a good show Falconeer> less than 12 is not a good show Eridu> Eridu> well its still fun! Falconeer> losing is not fun Eridu> haha, it can be Falconeer> if your a loser Falconeer> then you fulfill your purpose Eridu> lol Falconeer> so i guess it can be fun Troll God Pointing out the obvious Falconeer> lobotomy is killable Falconeer> or he wouldnt avoid me Falconeer> like a pussy smurf Legodude19> falcon Legodude19> when will you learn. Legodude19> ._. Falconeer> you cant change people Falconeer> when will you learn that? Legodude19> you just proved my point Falconeer> the point is to fix the zone, not be my mother Falconeer> retard Troll God admiring tradition Falconeer> still 2 vs 2 in pub Falconeer> sad Falconeer> still the same pub Falconeer> sadder Falconeer> still beer in spec Falconeer> saddest Falconeer> rofl Falconeer> no dsb forums either Troll God too busy playing the game Eridu> c'mon man, lose the banner. dont get things started this way Eridu> i know its something small Eridu> goddamn u Falconeer> eridu i can do what i want im free Eridu> why u free Falconeer> im always free Eridu> just do that one little thing man Eridu> i'll gag u in spurts just to bug u Falconeer> go ahead Eridu> u know, i actually want u around in here Eridu> u can help a lot and make maps Falconeer> eridu if you want me around you talking to wrong person Falconeer> i follow rules Falconeer> blame those who dont Troll God Trolling even helping people to ignore me Falconeer> ez Falconeer> lured Falconeer> attaracted to the troll god like a fly to shit Falconeer> noobed Legodude19> hey Legodude19> falcon Legodude19> do everyone a favor and shut up Falconeer> type .?ignore falconeer Legodude19> lol Falconeer> if you cant handle the pixels Legodude19> gotcah Legodude19> .?ignore falconeer Legodude19> o_o Falconeer> without period Legodude19> lol Troll God Compare/Contrast Falconeer> eridu ive been playing other zones for 6 months Falconeer> havent been warned once Falconeer> for all my trolling Eridu> i dont doubt that Falconeer> yeah they are much more free and tolerant Eridu> u need to understand things HAVE change a little Eridu> things are more settled down and a little more understanding going around Falconeer> lol more understanding, of course with the same 10 people Falconeer> after you ban all opposition Falconeer> to your retarded ways of running a zone Falconeer> if you guys were any good you would have at least 40 a day in here and pub would have improved in my time absent Eridu> plz dont push any buttons when it comes to staff, u can still be u Falconeer> all you do day by day is prove i am right Falconeer> as you continue to fail Eridu> sigh.... Eridu> there, ur happy w/e Eridu> then lose the banner Eridu> thats the only thing u need to do Falconeer> does it matter there is no one in here to see my banner anyway Falconeer> rofl Eridu> do it Falconeer> why Eridu> u know why Falconeer> im still on dev chat, i can wear the banner if i want Eridu> lol Falconeer> ez Falconeer> brb beer Troll God got specced without warning (so i begin to talk about the speccers) Falconeer> the only reason this zone has population Falconeer> is because same speccers come to spec here Falconeer> like snoops Falconeer> beer Falconeer> big earl Eridu> u Falconeer> yeah and me Falconeer> dsb is by far the most entertaining to troll Troll God explains why the banner rule is archaic and banning for it is retarded. Eridu> banner plz Falconeer> nah im on dev team Eridu> ur not though Falconeer> dev team can wear banner Falconeer> who says Eridu> i want u to be Falconeer> Dev is volunteer not recruited Eridu> liito Falconeer> tough luck if i want to be on dev team Eridu> lol Falconeer> for them Falconeer> its volunteer, cant keep me from volunteering, unless you ban again Falconeer> its like a dev team, requires no access to dev either Falconeer> plus banner shows support for zone Eridu> k, so what u been working on for past 5 months Falconeer> only retards would ban for banner Eridu> i dont wanna ban Falconeer> yeah im telling you in advance when i get banned Eridu> just afraid someone else will Falconeer> who the retard is Falconeer> rofl Falconeer> they will say something like nobody will know who is the real dsb staff Falconeer> despite us being listed in f1, on website, and having staff tags, as well as staff squad names Falconeer> so you cant wear the dsb banner falc Falconeer> theyll say something dumb like that Falconeer> as if i am impersonating staff, or its even important for players to know who staff is Falconeer> in eg i still don't know who staff is Falconeer> and i played 6 months, trolling them Falconeer> sorry to say but DSB is backwards retarded Eridu> not so much anymore Falconeer> EG 100 people, Trench 200, DSB 40, eg and trench doing something right Eridu> trust me, just dont start shit up when things are finally improving Falconeer> rofl nothing will improve Eridu> already has Falconeer> you still have ent in charge Falconeer> 2vs2 in pub Falconeer> same as always Falconeer> denial much Eridu> u have not been here Falconeer> what on sundays? Falconeer> when you have 6 vs 6 Eridu> not what i mean Falconeer> rofl big improvement for 1 day for 4 hours of the day Eridu> yes zone is struggling thats obvious Troll God explains the error in their tactic to increase population Eridu> it has improved since the zones joined up Eridu> was already improving a little Eridu> summer was complets shit Falconeer> dude Falconeer> zones joining up wont fix dsb Falconeer> retard Falconeer> you guys do everything wrong Falconeer> instead of fixing a zone to bring players to it Falconeer> you are trying to bring players to a shitty zone Falconeer> complete fail Falconeer> seriously Falconeer> go get an education before you try to run a zone Falconeer> same pub after 6 months Falconeer> pathetic Falconeer> disgraceful Falconeer> still 2 vs 2 in here Thorn> lol i havent been on in a while this is wierd Falconeer> how can you wallow in your own fail for so long Falconeer> hey thorn Troll God agrees Eridu> this extreme level of lameness has gotten kind of old here, even amongst the players Falconeer> eridu all you got is old players and few of them Falconeer> of course its old Falconeer> so is playing the game Falconeer> apparantly Falconeer> since most are in spec Falconeer> you guys dont even want to play your zone, because you know it fails Falconeer> and when i say this some of you get enraged and ban me for just saying the truth Falconeer> rofl Falconeer> if its so good, play it Eridu> and i silenced u btw, change the banner plz if u come back. if u are allowed to be on dev team and can have then u can put it,just make sure first. i dont want u to get banned. plz try to approach things differently

Lynx is one of those people who quietly rage while im trolling others. In game it happens a lot, it's actually the best, because I don't actually have to seek out these people to troll them. I can just do my own thing and people get mad in spec. Mom is another prime example. Anyway I don't see why I can't talk about DSB in here. The thread is about SS dying. DSB was like 20% of the ss community population. It is a valid example. As well the topic creator started with the sentance.. "ive had to sit and watch zone after zone get infested with cancer and die." Which means zones are part of the topic, at least to me. Let me know if I get off topic. Aside from myself being insulted for my opinion, I don't see anything wrong here.

DCME is a god send, and whoever made it coded it already because they 'found it interesting' and 'fun making things' Otherwise they would not have coded it. I only say when you do something do it right, and to the full extent of what it could and should be. I point out when people are half assed. Sorry but this game needs people like me to give you a kick in your complacency. As for DSB. I did help them so your point about doing things is irrelevent. I did more mapping, for DSB, and contributed more to league with my squads than most of DSB staff. All staff did was prevent things from getting done, or do everything half assed. And they spent more time policing people than developing the zone. More time in spec than playing. And the whole point of being a troll god is to stay inside all day. Whatever you are a be a good one. I'll take your insult as a compliment.

Well Richard is one person and he already has an editor with better features than DCME. Took him no more than a month most likely for that editor. Meanwhile people here coded some ancient dinosaur called DCME. And never thought to have the features that Richard has? Come on.. Anyone could have and probably did think of those things. Richard did after all. So one example is the place a tile with left click, and right click to erase. In DCME you have to actually select the eraser on right click for it to erase. But richards program does this automatically. This is what I call conveniance, and desinging something meant for heavy use by new players. If the community dies you only have yourselves to blame, for either being dinosaurs with no good ideas, or just being lazy. Perfect example is DSB. I could write essays on all their flaws, and all they need to fix, and how many times people told them to fix it. HOW many opportunities they had to fix those simple 5 minute things, and how many times their pride shit on the zone.

What does DS stand for

looks good would prefer some line tools, fill etc, as opposed to putting every part/tile down 1 at a time.

Arena sharing, making it more productive for me to Troll. Thank you to all who made this feature possible. ?arena Welcome to Chaos Zone! No banner? What's the B over there? To find out, type !help ranks or !help bonus Hit F1 to learn how to play. Chaos-Bot> Current Freqsize: 3 players: 2 start bty: 75 attach bty: 80 streak min bty: 95 Players needed for next higher Freqsize: 1 Falconeer> everyone now that you are sharing arenas Falconeer> why dont you go to dsb? sheeps> dsb? sheeps> is that a joke Falconeer> why are you guys still playing EG when DSB zone is on the ?Arena list sheeps> falconeer you are in chaos. Falconeer> im so confused where i am because of arena sharing Falconeer> i thought i was in hyperspace sheeps> gg ?arena Welcome to Powerball. Check out www.powerballzone.com for forums, stats, and news. Falconeer> you guys you should go to dsb now Falconeer> that you are sharing arena lists Falconeer> this zone is more dead than dsb ?arena Welcome to Base Duel. This arena uses Public settings. Falconeer> everyone now that you are sharing arenas Falconeer> why dont you go to dsb? Hoontar> lol aristocrac> we dont share here in eg Falconeer> why are you guys still playing EG when DSB zone is on the ?Arena list Falconeer> you must be retards aristocrac> cause we hate dsb Grower> i like dsb aristocrac> shhhhhh Falconeer> wow so what was the point to share arenas Falconeer> if everyone will stay in their own zone aristocrac> lmao donor> falconeer u know its bannable to advertise other zones inside eg right? aristocrac> burneddddddddd Falconeer> donor are you staff? Grower> yes donor> yes Grower> he is aristocrac> lol Falconeer> gimmie a little red warning to prove it Falconeer> i love those Falconeer> they are so flashy donor> after game Grower> imitating staff is also bannable donor> im staff on donor+ Falconeer> are you saying youll ban me for your own advertising of other zones in your ?Arena list Salvor> donor isnt a mod Salvor> just a ref donor> im staff tho Boknows> pussy staff aristocrac> lol donor> says grid bench player Salvor> rofl Boknows> says ower of lowest tier squad Grower> your staff like a dishwasher is a cook aristocrac> rofl aristocrac> rabble rabble rabble donor> says owner of squad that has grid's ex best players Falconeer> your all spiders and terrs Boknows> rofl? donor> is what u meant to say* Falconeer> whats the point of other ships Falconeer> you should just make all other ships a different version of spider and terrier aristocrac> no falc aristocrac> leave us alone Falconeer> with same graphic Grower> what happened to dsb it is not in my arena list aristocrac> we kicked it Diazepam> lol change back to pub Salvor> go to pub Falconeer> ?Arena Grower> no Salvor> ull see it there Falconeer> ROFL

Hyperspace is also a zone where people who played 5 years never tried Hyperspace before. Ovbiously It will work slightly for zones like that. However EG, Trench, Chaos, are all more well played, and people who played 5-10 years tried those zones out already, so sharing arenas, or faking populations, will not suddenly change peoples minds to go and play there. Unless of course those people are new players. Or never tried the zones before. Unlikely. Except in the case of HS, I played subspace over 10 years and only entered HS a total of 20 times, so of course with your 1000 population even i would be curious to see how lame you are. it will never work for DSB. Unless they fix their zone. On a side note.. (20 players is not a big achievement) And they are not 20 players who stay constantly, Or are you saying 20 people came all at once? Or perhaps 20 different people over a period of 24 hours. Or maybe 20 people and you will never see them again. But you can keep dreaming, also in the long run you are harming yourselves. Never try to assume you know more about psychology than the troll god.

Ceiu basically got to you before I did. And he knows what he is talking about. Why everyone else is so overprotective of the population has nothing to do with the argument. (the argument is, is arena sharing more benificial with population being misrepresented, or is it more benificial with populations being accurate) That is an actually good and valid argument. WHY EVERYONE else is overprotective is a fallacy called questioning the Motive. It falls under fallacies of irrelevence. Mainly being irrelevant to the topic. We are not even argueing if we should fix the population display, because no one would agree that it should just remain broken. and if you do, you and I both know you are on the end of a losing argument. It may not be apparant to you why people want valid population counts. Perhaps you don't care. That doesn't mean everyone else should not care just because you don't. You didn't even ask why everyone wants valid population counts. There is no question mark after that comment you made. And this further proves you don't care what the community thinks. Yet you use the argument that this is for the benifit of the community? At least state its your personal desire. Make it more obvious than a post filled with anger that no one accepts "Your" idea. Because I don't remember this being discussed with zone population. And I am sure if it was discussed people would have expected the population of each zone to remain accurately listed. The Onus does not rely on one person. Responsibility is actually universal. It actually works a different way, that is if you were not malicious, if Priitk can't fix this issue with the population or wont. Then the responsibility falls on you to take arena sharing down until you can impliment it without screwing up another part of the game. In fact the truly good way to handle things is to only impliment changes that do not harm or take away from another aspect of the game. Especially on such a large scale. This is no longer a matter of your zone. This falls into a matter of the whole Subspace community. You have no authority to harm the whole community. Also again I have to say look up the fallacy two wrongs make a right. Just because bots ruined population stats before doesn't mean it's right to do it further, or worse, or ruin them because someone else did it etc. Basically beyond morality you are also being illogical, because two wrongs don't make a right.

Why would he be willing to code something a few times a year, yet not willing to do more. You either care about the game or you don't. If you are going to code anything still, that means you care, so you might as well do everything you can. It's been like 10 years now. How long will he keep this charade. Too busy my ass. In my experience if you really want to do something you can be a fucking astronaught or president of the usa, and still find time to do something. Holding on to the code my ass. That reminds me of Calvin and Hobbes who owned Psirens. Plenty of good people wanted to revive Psirens, and use that squad name, even people who were still in Psirens, yet he lets the name go to waste due to nostalgia and some dumb sense of pride and attachment. Your squad is long gone. The people are long gone. You yourself are long gone. He doesn't even play anymore. Yet he holds this squad name hostage much like Priitk with his game. You either sell it. Allow it to grow, or make it grow yourself. Either way you will still have the rights to it as original creator. You don't hold it hostage becuase your a selfish peice of sh**

Lets use Polix as an example. (it may not be true but serves the purpose of the examples) If Polix for example hops around more. He was a player who already played in more than one zone. As you already stated. "If it takes me 6 minutes to just check things out in 3 different zones (note: I never said anything about trying a new zone)" Polix probably already plays Chaos and Powerball, and sometimes EG, so of course he will use this feature to travel between zones and play there ocassionally. This never had to be argued because it was obvious. If Polix hops around more. He was a player who already had interests in other zones, for example because his position in the game requires him to be in more than one place. So he already travelled to EG or Powerball to check up on things way before this feature was implemented. However despite his curiosity the only zone he would ever play is the one that he likes and always played all these years. Which is Chaos zone. So far the two groups I listed are different. One group of players always hopped around and always played many zones. Another group of players always hopped around, but only enjoyed one zone. If Polix was a new player. Who just installed subspace yesterday. This is the only case where this feature will actually get people to try new zones. (since for everyone else zones are not new, and they know what to expect there) Since this is the only way for the feature to actually provide anything, it makes the feature pointless, because we only get one new player a week at best. If Polix was a player who never hopped around. And always stayed in Choas zone. But now this feature was implimented. Would he hop around? That is the only question left. My answer is, if he wanted to be somewhere else, he would have done it before when we had ESC Q. No matter how much time he saves now, I doubt his motivation to be somewhere else would change. Even if it did, it is pointless, because you only enticed out of 150 players, a small percentage of that, to move between the same zones. This means one zone loses people, and another gains. But overall nothing changes. Again zones sharing arenas is only valid if you had new players in subspace. Which we don't. We don't need to test anything if you had a brain to logically think about it. And besides it's been up for 1 - 2 weeks, and DSB still has 20 population. The reason is, no matter how conveniant it is to enter a zone, no one will want to be in the zone if the zone fails to them. And luckily for my example, Most everyone can agree DSB fails in some way or another. I am not against this idea of sharing arenas. I am opposed to DSB doing it, because for them its a wrong method to get current subspace players into their zone. If they wanted people from EG to play DSB, they would first have to fix their zone to bring players there. Not try to bring players to a fail zone. DSB has alot of development, and work to do. They should focus on that, not on this shit. Aside from that arena sharing could be a good idea, but because it skewed the population stats, i am now against it and always will be until the populations display properly.

This is wrong, so I couldn't care less if that is wrong also. This is known as the fallacy called Two wrongs make a right. This is an illgoical way to make an argument. You may look this up in google. Plainly speaking just because people abused bots to gain 20+ populations doesn't mean it was the correct thing to lie to players, and it doesn't make it any more right to lie to players now. Also if saving 2 milliseconds is all it took to entice you to try a new zone, that says a lot about what type of player you are. It means even if this idea does entice you to play another zone, you by your own admission would be a flake. So in reality this idea is not enitcing the right type of people to try zones, which means the enticing of players is a moot point and irrelevent since those players could care less about other zones anyway and are just their on a whim. Someone who REALLY wanted to play another zone would ESC Q exit one zone, and enter another. People who wanted to try DSB would have done this ages ago. The fact remains 2 milliseconds or 30 seconds no one wanted to try DSB all these years, and no small features will entice them to do so now. They don't play DSB because the zone fails. Not because it took them 30 extra seconds to exit their zones and play there.

LOL i think brain still has me blocked. Sorry Polix I thought you did the changes not the Sysops. But still can you fix the pop bug, and will you? There is no reason sharing arenas should also mean every zone has 150 pop

No one that posted here really thinks this is a great idea, correct me if you do. But I just see Polix drooling like a child so far. The no one else really approving this aside. It does have an issue with inflating pops, which ruins another feature of the game. If people were indifferent or might have liked it before, they definitely don't like it because of the "bug" that inflates the population. Fix the bug? Either display proper populations, or show all zones as SSCU Network as was suggested by Ceiu and MistarBob. As usual you just do what you prefer and ignore everyone else Polix. Must have learned it off Entropy? Is this going to be fixed. Or are we sticking with, it's to hard not worth it?

Yeah but you went through the trouble do that, when it already exists by pushing esc, q and selecting a new zone. Obviously if i like EG i will not enter DSB no matter how often i see the arena on the arena list. Unless I want to troll DSB'ers, in which case DSB bans me for trolling and now does this idea to gather more trolls? rofl. The whole reason i dislike the idea is because you did such a big thing for a minimal reason "so players can hop around like they please" while maybe EG and Choas have nothing better to do. DSB has a shit ton to do before they start wasteing time on big things for minimal reasons. Nobody will dev DSB but they can waste time with shit.

This is a dumb idea to have every zone on each others arena list. For reasons I already stated in ss/dying thread.

This is true on a zone aspect. Of course, but assume everyone could have hosted their zone without the restriction of billing access rules, and one biller. Would more zones and freedom for the community in that regard, necessarily mean more players? Maybe everyone would get to do what they want, and competition would increase, perhaps more developers would exist, but they would be focused on their own interests. So not much of a change in that regard. You can't really predict that the population would get bigger because of this. It can't be disproven either though. As for your solution I agree, more Development, a new client, and more zone owners, or at least better ones, there are so many people who really do nothing for their zones at all.. except wear the title. You would need more than one person actively advertising the game and getting new players into the game as a whole, that wouldn't happen without a new client. If we stick with what we have, we are lucky to get one person to devote the amount of time needed to do that. And one isn't enough. 100 people introducing just 1 player to subspace would be enough though. Other games reward you with in game items and levels for bringing new players..

Yeah but some of what i said applies to subspace as a whole. Like Analogy of a homeless person, and dreaming bigger etc. If you just do things to accomodate small populations, then you will always accomodate smaller and smaller populations until you have zero population. You have to aim big, and do things to attract many people at once. As well trying to bring players to a bad zone, as opposed to fixing a zone to get players. DSB is a classic example of what not to do to keep subspace alive. I also pointed out lack of dev in zones which kill zones, and staff who are just statues and do nothing and don't even care. Instead they get rid of people who care, and keep themselves in power so they can shit on the community and the zone. Get rid of these people please. A zone needs staff like tm master, who login everynight, plays the game, and devs, and codes for it or actively gets people to participate. As well a good zone will dev every small thing, they will even care about 1 tile, and improve it. If you are not always improving something, even something small that takes 1 minute and hardly matters, then you missed the point of not being half assed. Small things add up. If DSB actually got off their ass and fixed the around 50 small things that take 10 minutes each to fix. they would have a half decent zone by now. Obviously they are lazy and think those small things wouldn't amount to anything if combined. EVERYTHING MATTERS in zone development. DSB is a good example, and a perspective i can talk from. Most of the other zones haven't sunk to it's level, yet. This is all i really think is true in what polix said. Everything else i don't agree with. I also agree with polix when he says zones should dev together more? If that's what you are saying. If all zones shared the same dev team, each zone would do better. DSB would contribute nothing of course. But at least the zone would stop failing.

You guys have serious issues to think that combining the populations of EG, Chaos, Power, and DSB would change anything. If Entropy went to someone with the power to set that up, and told you it was a good idea to have each zone on each others arena list. Then you just made a mistake, and you are actually not doing DSB a favor by doing this. Once again this is Entropy taking the easy way to fix the problem of DSB. The easy way will never work, and DSB will always remain a dead zone. The fact that you agree to do this, is like being an enabler, you are enableing more fail in DSB since you are accepting their "quick fix" ideas. There is no quick fix. DSB's success actually requires someone to code and Dev. We all were happy when Entropy became SYSOP because of that very reason, we all thought he became sysop because he WOULD code and dev, we thought it was a good thing because hoch was never around and could NOT CODE and dev. And what does Entropy do instead? He becomes the next Hoch, he stops coding and devving, and generally sits on his ass, and spends time policing people. Everything he does code is generally half assed. Yes that means he is still sitting on half his ass. Anything that was accomplished in DSB since he took over, was not by Entropy, it was by anyone he dictated to. So even then Entropy accomplished nothing, barely coded, and PUBLIC has been the same for 6 months since my ban. I actually got unbanned entered DSB, saw pub was the same, and started laughing, because they have no idea how to fix their own zone. So about the coding should I give you at least one example? Sure. DSB held babl league not to long ago. Me and Sever took an initiative and made 12 bases for Babl league. Entropy did nothing. We tiled those bases. Entropy did nothing. We put all those bases on the same map. Entropy did nothing. We gave them to Entropy. It took Entropy 4 months to finally put the idea up for vote, and decide to use them. (Half assed) When Entropy finally used the bases, he uploaded one base in the arena every week for the babl league. As opposed to making a simple code to warp the player to the required bases. And yes we gave him warp coordinates. Being DSB's only coder, and league coordinator at that. And being accepted to Sysop by the population largely because of the hope he would code and improve dsb. It makes sense that he take 30 minutes to code a proper babl league. Instead he opts for the lazy method. EVEN Devastation zone with 10 population, has 10x more development than DSB. Even they made a module to warp players to bases in their Baseduel arena. How come a zone like devastation with barely any pop has no trouble coding something so simple, and entropy does? (never mind coding, he could even borrow such a simple and common code from another zone) This is the clear image of why DSB will always remain shit. It is simply because Entropy treats it like shit. If you don't improve every little thing you can, you will never get close to having a zone people want to play. Stay half assed and your zone will remain so. To further this analogy. Another reason why this whole idea of arena sharing is wrong. And could potentially harm all four zones. Not just DSB now. Lets assume DSB is a homeless person. If you spend everyday thinking about where you will sleep, then you will always be homeless. You are dreaming the wrong dreams. You have to dream bigger than where your going to sleep tonight. That is the only way you will ever escape. Of course no one understands this because you are not educated. Go and educate yourselves and maybe you can become successful at something as simple as a 2D game. DSB constantly short hands itself and tries to accomodate its 15 player population, not realizing that doing this will just keep making the zone smaller. Aim big to get big. Stop being a hospice where people go to die as cyanyde once said. It also doesn't help that nobody will ever like DSB. Especially now, their actions on how they handle players, dev, and staff policy gave them the image of being a troll. Of all the zones DSB is the troll zone. No one wants to touch it. The only way you can ever hope to get new players in there is to change the name of the zone. Just the name. Then people would not associate fail zone or fail staff with the name of Death Star Battle. The only other way is to keep the name and change the staff, and actually change the zone (pub and league) to something sucessful. Which you will never accomplish. This is once again another reason why this idea of sharing the arena list is a bad idea. You thought, "we have a low pop zone, lets share arena lists with four other zones" You are trying to bring players to your fail zone. Instead of fixing the fail zone so players come on their own. ANYTHING TO GET PLAYERS EXCEPT FIXING THE ZONE. You are stupid beyond belief. Also asthetically speaking, of all these four zones on each others arena lists. People will still want to play the zone they like. They will not go to dsb just because they see it in the list. If they do it will be to harass the failures there. Choas EG and Power thought they got the better end of the stick, and they did. Their zones far outclass DSB on terms of development, and fun. You may actually lose people. Since in comparison with these other four zones, you are bottom tier DSB. Once again DSB is stuck with a zone owner who doesn't give a shit. Also known as Liito. Who logs in once a week, does and contributes nothing with his presence. Is capable of coding but does not. Why are you here if you are just going to be a statue? SS is dying? Yes it is, because of people like Entropy and Liito. DSB a once promiment zone of 150 players maintained for over 5 years at that level of population. Has been reduced to decay, in a little over a year, and it had little to do with "SS is dying" and everything to do with who killed it by both their action and inaction. And fix my f-ing arcade. Or give me access to do it.

haha goodbye 17th =)