talion

lol hard to take anything you guys say on this forum seriously when your opponents - real or imagined - don't even trouble to defend themselves. delic i never did like. dkr seemed to get more on my nerves the more i read what he had to say when i used to be in zone. so maybe it's just me lol. but i can't imagine your average player (of any zone) coming in here and having any reaction but a chuckle or two from reading what you guys have to say. i dont think people become staff in any zone for greed (because as you know having mod powers is a high paying position that forms the bulk of the income of the average middle class family). if it makes you comfortable to say that "abcxyz" person is in it for the power of being able to impose their whim on a free game, go ahead. subspace though is not a democracy. get used to it. ah why do i bother, the people who need to read this will just see me as another staffer who abused and was in it for the power anyways. gg me! /lol

foof i wish you would post more often i can always count on a good chuckle when i read your posts.

lol [/spam]

i said at least he TRIES to be a visionary interesting that they say there's no more spending required for this effort (1 billion more in funding a year or something). that just doesn't seem right, at all. and at the rate various geopolitical problems are going, by 2020 there might not be any people to send on a manned mission to mars. it is an election ploy im not debating it. trying to get people to evaluate him on his promises for next term (if elected) rather than what he didn't accomplish this term (As you say, the economy). doesn't really help that the democrats are basically screwing themselves over, or so it seems to me anyways. none of them are clean in terms of standing on "democratic" ground all the time, and they all have really crappy answers when asked about their strategies for iraq after the election, if elected.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3950099/ well, at least he tries to be a visionary. still alot of problems left on earth though.

and this is why gprime is master of tradition's week!!! fear! but really, there is no way that anyone who is playing can determine if someone's ship changing to get back specials, as they could have died, which is hard to catch unless you set your kills to chat and are willing to scroll through alot to find what you want; done as has been said and been another ship for a while, and changed back; or greened their specials back. the only way you can be 100% sure on this rule is to spec the person and watch every move they make... because it only takes a few tenths of a second to ship change for specials. and even then, the person getting watched can use the ?spec command, although i dont think that shows mods. it's one of those rules that if you want to have taken seriously you have to have some super active mod in pub all the time watching the game from spec, not in ticker.

elemental did better than their player skill level at the time would suggest (i thought anyways) using team work and rethinking how to play it. two ways of thinking about msbl (or any other leagues based on kills) 1) get more kills 2) get less deaths laugh if you want, but from what i've seen getting less deaths is how most leagues are thought about (And thus why hiding in rumble or any other league is a problem) if you're focusing on getting more kills, you are right sever. i suggested to net or ent when it was running that next season should have an elimination element to it, every player (or slot so there's no subbing at halftime to get 40 more deaths) gets a max of 10 deaths (or something) then they are out. makes players more responsible i think, and also makes it so that you can focus on the pilots that are flying the weasel/shark and make them play more conservatively. i doubt this'd get implemented though as i basically ripped this idea off of premier, and y'all want an original 17th league, im sure. met and i talked about this shortly after revenant went to -*BAD WORD*-. a good defensive team will be able to make even the best offensive teams work for their wins in msbl, but the good offensive team has to still prove that they are better. am i the only one who noticed the low-scoring nature of the games elemental played last season? see "2) get less deaths" boring to watch, but gives every team a chance regardless of ships.

hindsight is 20/20, as always. i agree being aliased didnt help me at all. but the at!@#$%^&*ude of the people i had to deal with regarding jwl (exceptions: kidnorad and floo) was very negative. but they made the zone what it is, to hear some people tell it (indirectly through being jav pilots because of rumble, which did bump up populations YEARS ago). maybe that's part of the problem. i don't feel screwed anything up for jwl. when you're handed a league after 2 games with no scores, rosters, and a rules set that was FUBAR, there's only so much i could do. anyone who disagrees feel free to message me (except apple and zioneer, ignore.txt-ed) in subspace, or post here if you must. for the record, all of the work i did on jwl (minus the table i have on my hd still) is still at league.17thparallel.com, in the forums there. good luck getting argyle to make league.nu handle multisquad games, by the way. "I don't claim to be anything but a player. A player who has interacted with everyone who has been anyone in this zone." "everyone who has been anyone?" How do you define "anyone" in that statement? Nevermind the fact that interacting isn't quite the same as getting a straight answer about what they think about the zone. i could go on responding to your priceless quotes zioneer, but it's all been said by tempest already. "And i think vets are what makes a zone, without them you got some noobs who are just tryin this game out and will be bored of it in 2 months and quit the game and then ur back to square 1" [next paragraph highly tangental] now, i wasn't playing SS when the svs zones started to get compe!@#$%^&*ion from dsb/tw/eg, but was that not the same argument they (svs players) used then? just because 17th isn't as blatantly (can't think of a good non offensive word here bear with me) ... "super" or "one-hit-kill-like" doesn't mean it's any different than those tw/eg/dsb in basic design. that's how it is with zones that have quicker learning curves. people get bored, or they find a zone they like more (i know i went from dsb to eg to swr to 17th to chaos over the 4 years ive been playing as "home" zones), or sometimes real life calls and they quit. what got ss to its biggest point? newbie zones, intermediate zones, then the elite zones/leagues (pro). used to be all those zones were svs zones, but now chaos has become an "elite" zone on the basis of hosting all the svs zones now except alpha and wz! (Aswz is "special" ) tw has its vets, i've met a few in chaos, come looking for some new challenges. it's how it is, i feel. new players (of which there seem to be fewer every month) download continuum, play trenchwars, and they either say "what the -*BAD WORD*- is this, i'd rather be owning my friends at (insert game here)" or decide to stick around. again, back to what i said earlier. attrition. many of the tw players stay there until they quit ss for whatever reason. a few become vets. they play the events, they get bored, they look for another zone to play that has more challenge. it's just how it goes. why would they play in 17th, at 50 players, when there's another zone with over 400 people (and low--*BAD WORD*- ping) just begging for a click, then a quick hook. my point is this: PLAYER TURNAROUND. vets don't stay forever (noone does). premier im sure you'll be all in favour of keeping the zone in the "vets'" favour until one day you find you're one of a handful (smaller than now, to hear you fellows tell it) who still feel that way. then you'll look at your zone with 15-20 people (if ss still exists) and wonder why newbies won't play the zone you tried so hard to drive into the past. svs is, regrettably, already in the late stages of this process. [end tangent] anyways, getting back to the staff "problem," premier. staff do what they can to make 17th the most attractive to continuum players, and they do a pretty good job. few zones have the skill requirment and player base of 17th, and that's a good thing. the problem is subspace as a whole isn't getting enough fresh blood, but that's a completely different topic isn't it. what are the peak populations, i remember cokey saying something like 70 people once on a weekday? i'd say that's pretty good. i'm sure you've heard it before but the best way to ensure 17th surviving premier is to use your expertise (Which i assume you have, at something relating to zones) to help the zone move forward. saying the zone was better 3 years ago is no help to anyone. nothing about the old sets in 17th particularly makes me wish the zone would reinstate those sets so i'd play in 17 again. boiled down contents of message: it's really easy to contribute to the zone (does require thick skin at times), and even easier to scoff doing so. im not the person to say this kinda thing anymore, but once you say to the staff that you'll do something, DO IT. you dont even need powers to do so. if you don't like the map, make some maps and submit them. if you dont' like the settings, make some new settings and submit them. if you don't like the graphics, make new graphics and submit them. the one thing that's not going to change no matter how much you don't like it is the makeup of upper staff, i think. you have to pick your battles. saying staff sucks wont get anything done. saying "heres an idea, what do you think, i can email it to you (or whatever) so you can see for yourself)" is more likely to make progress for you well, good luck with whatever you decide to do. how much of it you need is up to you though edit: -*BAD WORD*- that was an ugly mofo

im just asking why i was asked to do it not you. i must have done something right when i was staff the first time to warrant getting asked to do it. why weren't you asked? too busy doing...whatever it is you do? i am 18. that is the answer. if youdon't believe me, ask pernille. i free her from any obligation of keeping my staff application confidential (or whoever's in charge of hirings now). speaking of evading questions, you answer my question with a question "what does that have to do with anything?" you're right, i shouldn't probably be on these forums anymore. but i still have the ssforum account, so i use it. maybe in a year when (hopefully) this forum's user turn over has shuffled out some regular posters and brought in some new ones ive never met i'll be quieter, and as the settings change i will inevitably become less and less informed about current affairs in 17th. but now i feel i have a good grasp of what's going on. it's the same problem as always, really. but you don't like to hear that argument, so i won't say any more about it.

firstly: http://www.ssforum.net/index.php?showtopic=2228 secondly: "And then on top of that shït, comes newbies like Talion telling me what I should or should not do, heh please." i dont really feel that's warranted. i haven't told you what to do in a while now. other than shut the -*BAD WORD*- up and not have a soap opera on boards... but i can hardly be the only person telling you that kinda thing. i don't really know what happened prior to me being made jwl coord maka, but for some reason i ended up getting approached to do it. either 1) you got asked and turned it down or 2) you didn't get asked. explain that to me then, and quickly before this thread gets closed. i also don't think it's very productive to pick me as your random newbie anymore maka as i no longer play 17th, except for turreting on occasion with friends.

i love the smell of burning bridges in the evening... seriously though, if you know exactly how the zone should be, you are saying that you have ideas. and if you dont' have ideas, you shouldn't be saying how the zone should be handled. bah. someone else please respond indepth to what maka is posting, i can't be bothered.

ah i'd really like to bother thinking up clever comments on what's been said, but really, it's not worth it. so i'll just sit back and laugh quietly. lol. or not so quietly

kent owns my cheap illegal immigrant -*BAD WORD*-. and all of yours too. you heard it here first.

stylez let it go, and maka as funny as the kinda was to read, don't lead on the mentally incapable like that

let's see... xter calling people's lives nothing, when he has !@#$%^&*umed different ages/sexes in attempts to get on staff... well, i support you 100% whatever you pick xter. in this day and age, sexually indecisive teens need to be encouraged, not laughed at. i just laugh on the inside at you.

apple is ez, just ignore what he has to say. well gj duelling thrawn. though if you can't do it twice you can't do it at all

Stay safe in Iraq Never knew you, and that's for the best probably. Because then you'd have known me and probably found me annoying. Happy trails.

i changed my mind. i

haha dkr not my problem you over react to everything. besides. you were in the old weasel, and i always have and always will use kill macros on them when i kill them in 17th... so they know their place in the world. that is, the bottom. edit: and id still do the exact same dkr if today were that day.

you said you wouldn't tell anyone about that

that is officially old news apple here's a list of my other known aliases. just so we're clear. strakha_7 (unused on SSC for a long time) coldfury (unused on SSC for a long time) talion canadian cheddar (unused) kent's pimp (unused) shakin' bacon (rarely used) r. carlos shake and bake i think that's all of them. oh and dont forget excaliburIV, unused since 99 lol. edit: but dont tell anyone please.

-*BAD WORD*- ,my forgery revealed. well, im going to go buy a sword and commit seppuku, nice knowing y'all. well considering im not learning anything from anyone in 17th anymore, i dont have to be anything that you define as a newbie hehehehe. w00t off topicness. relevancy material: i voted for -*BAD WORD*- no because only floo has proved his coolness to me. but that's not a whole squad.

This is a TRUE LOG. I was minding my business one day when maka sent me this. honest. no really. (Zioneer) i want balanced settings, but svs is too slow. (Zioneer) i dont care how you balance them as long as jav is the best one on one fighter. (Zioneer) so no extreme minerepping, cloaking, stealthing, EMPs, high maneuverability ships, or small ships. (Zioneer) i want a team map that encourages team basing (Zioneer) but i dont want anything to do with ball play (Zioneer) MS leagues suck, because they dont have balanced ships. read up! (Zioneer) let's just do things my way. i know im right. ok, so i added the 3rd message. :twisted: how about: you all start flaming someone in absentia (i offer myself) and get this topic closed before y'all twist a wrist or something.

i dont play 17th anymore i am here for the amusement of watching people like you -*BAD WORD*- lol. maybe someday ill play here again, but until then there's little chance of me getting banned for a real offense heck, i coudl be banned now and not know it. someone with bang enlighten me please :twisted: and because it's been a while: it's... a... TOMCAT! :tomcat:

i thought i implied that that included firings as well. bans dont ahve to be explained to anyone. most of the time the bans for breaking the rules of gameplay in the pub are easy for the banned person to figure out and they stop doing it once it's up. but w/e. all this happened before and after i was staff, so all i know is how things shoudl more or less be set up. well, good luck. you'll need it.