spidernl

You never spoke of this before, it is suspiciously sudden. I expected that to be common sense - what else could a non-scamming bank do? There's no other option. Unless you consider "Start using players' deposits as a source of money to pay interest with" (= ponzi scheme in reality) an option. Edit: altered the wording a bit..

The players are however not the ones funding that interest. Therefore they aren't the "donator" or "investor" group and their profit is irrelevant.

The original donators only pooled in capital to get the ball rolling. From here on out I will cease to use the word "scheme" to avoid its negative connotation. However, the mechanism is still Ponzious. The part that you made bold shows exactly why you're wrong: Investment is putting money into something with the hope of profit. They're not hoping for profit. Also an easy way to make the negative tone of your whole argument go away is the fact that as soon as I'd run out of donated money, I'd simply cease giving interest and let people withdraw their money. Not very fraudulent. I still don't get why I'm receiving so much hate for giving away my money to HS' populace through interest.

Now, I understand your ultimate goal is to have a loan system. I, however, do not see that ever being possible without the bot being assisted by staff power. Since I do not see or sense any concerted effort in this direction, I can only assess the bot for what it is currently. Ponzious. Clearly the bank doesn't match that. First of all there are no investors, a more accurate term is donators. They don't intend nor expect to get anything back. Also the Ponzi scheme in the rest of the article is discussed as a fraudulent operation, whereas I don't intend to make anyone lose any money whatsoever.

First of all I am holding approximately 10m of people because I do not want to risk people doing !withdraw and not getting a penny. And that isn't because of my design choice, but because of Unix taking advantage of an smod not knowing this would happen (he said this in a ?message, so despite Kilo trolling me I'll stick to this). Also, giving everyone back their money now would be equal to giving Unix $1,000,000 HSD involuntarily. No thanks. And please, can you just stop trying to troll me by claiming things you have absolutely no evidence for. I have plenty of ways to prove that this bot is not a ponzi scheme: 1) If it were I'd have ran with the money by now. 13 million is plenty for a scam. 2) It's backed by at least 3 players: Me, Rivel and Neostar. All of these players have a few things going for them that prove they're more trustworthy than your average HS player: - A jrmod scamming the zone would hardly be a good way to prove he's suitable for a position of (relative) responsibility. - Rivel is an smod, the same applies to him, and probably 'another level up'. - Neostar did a manual 'neobank' that didn't end up being a scam either. The idea is to test, through a large user base, if it's possible to have some kind of (semi) automated loan system in HS and we're willing to spend some money to test that. This.

Not implementing a 'Check ?money before continuing' was a design choice. The problem with doing ?money every time is that it slows the bot down considerably due to having to queue your 'outgoing messages' (or getting silenced, if that's preferable). I figured that this wouldn't happen as I thought that by now (how many times has this happened? 20? 30?) all staff would know that bots can't see the difference between an arena message faking money transfers and a real one. The pathetic part is that Unix noticed that Masaru didn't know (why else would he do it) and, for that reason, didn't mention how he just managed to scam 1m with his help. Edit: Yay for tiny spelling corrections causing this EDITED BY SPIDERNL tag.

Pro troll is pro. Anyway, as a bot owner you don't expect to have to implement security enhancements to prevent being 'scammed' by something only staff can do, eh.

UB-HyperBank is offline until Unix has returned the million he stole from it. This is because I don't want to risk players losing money due to the bot lacking a million. For those who believed Unix when he claimed he didn't scam the bot (note: this is in chatnet protocol, but should make sense with a little thought): MSG:FREQ:Unix:Masa, can you do... "?aa Player Unix gave you $1000000." in pub chat MSG:ARENA:Player Unix gave you $1000000. SEND:PRIV:Unix:Thank you for your deposit of $1000000. Your account balance is now $1000000. -----Proof that this wasn't a genuine deposit------ MSG:FREQ:Kai Ossa:Stop aboosing green txt pl0x ----------------End of epic proof------------------ MSG:PRIV:Unix:!bal SEND:PRIV:Unix:You currently have $1000000 in your account. MSG:PRIV:Unix:!withdraw 1000000 SEND:PRIV:Unix:?give 1000000here is the money you requested. MSG:ARENA:You gave Unix $1000000. Of course the bot will have some 'security enhancements' that will prevent this kind of stuff from happening in the future as soon as it is back online. In the meantime the bot will keep giving interest to keep you all happy. If you want to have access to your money as soon as possible, harass Unix. I've been told by Masaru that Unix has to pay me the million in 3 days, so that's the most you should have to wait. Let the "Lol good job Unix you successfully scammed a bot by manipulating an smod!!!" ensue.

Evidence of scamming obviously.

I personally think the drafting system of the previous league, at least in part, killed it. Which is why this 'new system' should get a chance, in my opinion.

I personally think the drafting system of the previous league, at least in part, killed it. Which is why this 'new system' should get a chance, in my opinion.

I suggest to allow flanking at any point in the game. It doesn't magically give the flanking team an advantage - their numbers are usually halved on the defending side, since players help the flanking side. This can even be an opportunity for the attacking team to break through and take over the base. Don't bother with the 'warning' system for antiwarp, just make it not work in center. Tis how it works in regular pub center aswell. If antiwarping center is possible from a base, the map is not suited for a league, duh. Also, I suggest making the 'attend to 30%' simpler; just make it 'attend to 3 games'. Edit: I also sign up for the league, most likely both as a referee and as a player (not at the same time, though ).

Although I'm being trolled by replying to this: No. The same day.

nope. nice hear-say though. yet another great quality in our moderators Too bad I did the ?fuschiaaa myself.

Amen Although I altered rep/mine 4 fastbomb&fastgun.

An important thing to note when reading these 'logs' is that as far as I know all of this happened after a purple arena message stating that all swearing (including censored) is considered breaking a rule. When people start discussing a rule and don't stop when asked to, they shouldn't be surprised when they're fined without warning. Note: The 'discussion' involved people attempting to avoid rules using structures like: "Is calling someone a Jew breaking a rule?". Good reason to ask people to stop. Edit, Also: monkey> i got degranted 50k earlier for saying o sh Corrected: Monkey was degranted 50k for saying "oh sh-" after discussion of swearing being bad. He also swore earlier iirc. 25k was also 'regranted' later on because I fell for Namp telling me the degrant was unnecessary (which I obviously shouldn't have). Edit2: Disclaimer = this doesn't mean I agree with/approve of all the degranting/fining/warning/whatever-rule-enforcement that happened yesterday.

I think it's 20%, unless it was changed. Back when someone won a 99,999 jackpot (0 experience, solo freq) the rest of the zone got 20k. It definitely isn't 5%, because 7-8k jackpots result in approximately 1.8-2.5k jackpots for the 'losers'. Edit: Gotta love how you can't fix punctuation without this EDITED tag coming up Edit: Gotta love how I can edit other people's posts without leaving any traces -Samapico I even erased your traces, in fact.

Not online, last seen more than 10 days ago I am amazed by your knowledge of HS' fresh staffers. Edit: I also find it particularly amusing that you're whining about lack of change when the map is changed weekly while half the zone is complaining about that instead.

I am missing from hs? I'm also disappointed that there isn't more hate. I'd expected some cool story about abuse or something. Also, protip: don't assume what someone was hired for if you don't have a clue. You forget the fact that we must ban people who accidentally tk someone, and grant people money for evading the swear filter.

Knowing your coding 1337-ness, odds are at least half of that code doesn't work.

If they were for euro people they'd be 6 pm - 9 pm UTC or so. They're euro times intended to be "manageable" for non-euros. Either way, I think the way to go is to simply split players into groups (preferably by time zone) and then letting them duel others in their group in their own time in say a week. Get a couple referees to make sure the duelers are following the rules and off you go.

Spidernl +Protip: Get people to see this ingame so it isn't a league with an amazing total of 2 players!!one1!

Rather pointless due to the 99:1 US:Euro ratio.

Voted other for the first option: What exactly is the "advantage" of giving squads their own frequencies in HS? I mean, they wouldn't be allowed to flag I'd imagine, nor would they be allowed to mess with existing flag games. Either way, I do think having more active "squad action" would be beneficial for HS' population.

Less drama and more logic and maths: If 7-10pm "our" time is 4-7 am "his" time, that means that not-so-early morning (10 am or so) for "us" is 7pmish for "him". Therefore you could add morning times. Unless you're willing to play at 4 am or so. Edit: Oh, something else: I suggest making the 1st/2nd/3rd prizes "base" and adding a portion of the entry fees (proportionally) to them as people sign up. E.g. for every 10k you could add 5k to first prize, 2.5k to second and 1.25k to third prize, leaving you with 1.25k "compensation" per signup and making the jackpot more jummy as you go.