Vile Requiem

Oi, i'll just refer you to John Dean's book, "Worse the Watergate" for establishment of said ties, I don't have it on campus with me so you'll have to wait until the weekend for me to cite it specifically. Look up Arbusto for a good start.

And now -*BAD WORD*- Cheney, Bush (the bush family has major Oil ties), and Haliburton (which gets all the non-bid Iraq contracts) do...your point? Like I said, everyone (which means the leaders of all the "allied nations") has blood on their hands. This is also why Bush refuses to let the UN help out. He just took a country full of oil away from at least 3 rivals

So everybody involved has blood on their hands including the US. Bush did say at one point, "The oil will pay for this war". Funny how a change in perspective makes the truth come into focus...Saddam isn't the only bad guy here.

Just don't get caught up in the #1 fascist talking point: "If you aren't , then why are you worried?" It's a loss of rights no matter how you look at it, paticularly when said country is "leader of the free world".

The Pwning continues: http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/bush_catastrophic_failures.pdf Something tells me it wasn't a good idea to wake this guy up with the Swift Boat BS

Well, the entire point of this is "Did Saddam do something which can be tied to 9/11" Unless you're a CIA agent who actually did their job correctly, you can't prove that. However, when you're invading some country, you need to prove it if you cite it as a reason you're going to war. Bush did not and has not.

Wheeee None of the hijackers was Iraqi Most were Saudi The US universally believes Bin Laden bankrolled the entire thing. Doesn't take a genius.

Except here's where we tie all this back to the topic parent. One of Bush's 23 Excuses for invading Iraq? That Saddam had something to do with 9/11. Which obviously if he never attacked the US that's impossible. Remember: This is Bush v Kerry, not "Vile and Worthless play FBI/CIA"

It's a very simple sentence: Saddam's secular government was just the kind of Arab government bin Laden's Islamic extremists want to replace. Because as Saudia Arabia shows us, Fundamentalist Islam govt = schools that teach kids to hate America and the West. Why would he help someone who wanted to take him out?

Hmm, whereever do the liberals get the idea that the secular Saddam hated the fundementalist Bin Laden? Makes no sense to me, except that seems to be public knowledge 9/11 Comission Summary: Bin Laden made ovatures to Saddam to let Al Queda have bases there, Saddam said no.

Just realized something else: Congress did NOT give Bush a mandate to go to war. They told him to ensure that there was no other way EXCEPT war to disarm Hussein. Which obviously Bush sorta neglected if you read his "Why I have to go to war" he delivered to Congress as they forced him to do before he could send troops.

I have heard it said many times on these forums that people who vote for Bush do so not for him, but for the people surrounding him. The Iraq post-invasion phase was not planned for well at all by Donald Rumsfeld (on a side note...What dippy president DOESNT look over the basic war plan before OKing it?) despite multiple warnings. Bush has also failed to broaden the effort so that 90% of the -*BAD WORD*- going down is happening to us. Why? Money (Haliburton's no-bid contracts). You have to offer people a piece of the pie if they'll do something for you, paticularly since they were telling you not to go in in the first place. Didn't say anything about assault weapons, or Clinton, or whatever. The analogy was that Congress isn't responsible for the poor planning of the Pentagon/Bush/Rumsfeld. Poor planning that ALSO failed to capture Bin Laden when we had the very good chance, instead of leaving it to Afgani tribal warlords.

Congress gave Bush the loaded weapon (which a president needs for his threats to be credible), Bush fired it. Thus, he is responsible as the commander in chief of the armed forces. Kerry can't tell Sgt. John Public to go into Iraq. Coincidently, this is the exact reason why in 99% of cases the gun industry is not liable for some dumb!@#$%^&* killing your son People assume that what the President of the United States says is correct. If it is not, as Harry S. Truman so succintly put it, the buck stops here (the president). Another Analogy. John Public is your Advertising Exec and you're the CEO. The latest ad your company put out failed HORRIBLY. Do you fire the Ad Guy? -*BAD WORD*- yes. But if the company tanks as a result, the CEO is out the door too.

This is what is known as doing one's homework: http://www.pol.uiuc.edu/news/largio_thesis.pdf - The 23 Rationales are listed on Page 150 of the thesis (which, coincidently, you don't lie and get a doctorate). Only President Cheney has maintained that Iraq has WMD. Nobody else. This is called a clever metaphor' date=' and is used by people of intelligence, like John Kerry. It's also called "taking a quote in context, as in the following:

http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/speeche..._2004_0920.html Given today around 11:15 EST, a very -*BAD WORD*-ing critique of Iraq and by proxy the President's competence.

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Funny, I read in my freshly bought-and-rained-on (Thank you Ivan) Newsweek that we're losing Iraq towns to the insurgancy left and right and that said insurgancy is made up of 99% Shi'a, which comprise the #1 ethnic group in Iraq with 60-65% of the population. Naturally everyone else in Iraq loves that they're getting more power out of the government. And also that most experts consider the prospect of January elections "laughable". The only solution at this point is to build a credible Iraqi police force/army. If Bush can pull this off then that's a very good thing. If he can not then Iraq is going to split into 3 countries as it was BEFORE British colonization created one state. In that regard, Husayn did his job well in keeping the country together regardless of whatever else he did. Getting UN !@#$%^&*istance will be pivotal in ensuring Iraq doesn't end up like Afganistan where all we hold is the capitol city. If that happens, there is 0 chance of anything but civil war breaking out and at least 1 new Iran being formed out of the chaos.

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You're right Ail, the two have nothing to do with each other. Back to Bin Laden. But you're excused, Bush forgot too

A better example in that case would be Hussein vs The Emperor, Vader's thoughts were warped from a young age by politics and Senator Palpetine, and it took Vader's near death for him to see the error of his ways. Indoctrination is a perfect word to describe such an case. Evil people need to be truly evil, not misguided

History Lesson #1: In the Korean War, we did NOT invade NK due to the Chinese. We instead repelled invasion. Much the same happened in Vietnam, except we lost that one. Provoking other world powers = Not good.

Arsenic, that

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