Uh oh. Well then I guess it's probably not the best time to admit that I hadn't ever compiled asss until like, maybe half a year ago? And I've toyed with it since like 2005 or 2006ish -.- What's your point? I am not saying one shouldn't tinker, am I? I am saying that if you want to be a even half decent administrator/developer of your zone, you should at least know how to fully administer and develop the zone. ASSS may run 'out of the box', but at that state it's still very limited it what it can do (no sql, bdb, python). And what's YOUR point? Would you also say one shouldn't set up a subgame server if he doesn't plan on trying ALL the settings? I don't even know what bdb is and it doesn't mean I would not be able to set up a good zone. Even if you say it's "limited", it's still more flexible and has more features than subgame out of the box.