Stylez

Makaveli, I don't think once you've ever agree'd wit me, so why post on my topics? Your just going to critize whatever I do... get a life Your such an annoying child. Your mom should reconsider about the abortion deal her doctor gave her, only $100 for a one of a kind abortioning closehanger, platinum spray paint edition Well I'm done with talkin wit you's, good day... Stylez

Whats all this gotta do with Ashley? I'm just like this on the internet, I'm a keeply different person "sorta" in real life.... But geez man, can't get her off your mind? I bet it enrages you that you can't have her and someone like me does.... am I right? Either way, keep to the subject, stop trying to be the comical relief all the time... I'm out, Peace, Stylez

Oh yea maka, one thing about lego memebers... anyone can create something on a pc... even a fake lego.exe, I'm not saying they did use it or didn't use it, but if someone were to fool you by making a fake one and actually having a real one, well you'd just look like a -*BAD WORD*-... Btw, imho, I think they do have one, I rally dooo... I'm sure out of allll the members they have, they have one that took his/her precious time to find out a way to cheat on SS and then give it out to all his buddies, then they thought of a good way to get people off their backs about it and just make some stoopid program (why would they go through all the trouble to prove someone wrong) and simple right click on it and rename it lego.exe. But oh well, I can see your eyes glistening open with how much you care... Peace, Stylez

People.... people do cheat on that game... It's surprising to me you all mock me about something so obvious. It's a game, made of all kinds of lil codes, so of course it's going to get hacked and have cheats made on it. Anyways, just some of my opinions on why I think some of you people cheat/lag on purpose. And yes maka your one of them, omfg.... Btw you said i've been saying you cheat forever... nah, only when you got dsl/cable and started off sucking with it, then a week later you got a lil laggier and actually was playing better... That's when I suspected you of it... Yawn... just woke up, Peace, Stylez

Holy -*BAD WORD*- man... That was a very exciting story. ummm, I know I type a lot, but its usually a long list of complaints... But you just typed a -*BAD WORD*-in book man, I mean come on, that's sad, you didn't even have to respond to this thread, but instead you wrote me a -*BAD WORD*-in fairytale (long run on sentence ) Very creative maka. Well right now I'm a lil.... high... so yes I am typing very slow right now... Screw this, I'm going to my nice warm bed... Peace, Stylez

Do you people wanna know why I rant on about laggers and cheaters and such? Well for one, I'm one of the few oldies that haven't switched over to the kazaa/winamp/memory hacking/trainers/and such..... But here are some reasons I argue so much about cheaters/laggers... like you people really care (Btw, when I say cheater, it could mean many of things, not that people are hacking or w/e) 1) Subspace is a real old game, doesn't demand much from your computer to run it. So no problems there. 2) Most people have DSL/Cable or better connections. I know some people still have 56k and lower connections but you can tell who does and who doesn't easily with them, their the ones lagging the most, but still having a hard time trying to play with it (like meks).... 3) Servers in the US now, and most poeple who play SS are in the US... 4) Theres already been a trainer made for it once, all you'd have to do is convert the trainer to the new coding for version .38 and so forth.... Maybe not all the cheats could get converted but a lot can, all you need is the version of the trainers SS edition and the new verison of SS and open them both in a dissambler and locate the old code and locate the new code, use a hex calculator to make a newdata code for it... real simple stuff.... 5) People COMPLAIN aobut me COMPLAINING... doens't make much sense to me why someone would argue on for so long with me about something that just isn't true about them, werid huh? 6) Frames dont get checked by staff and can not be checked by staff, so people know this and try to work on frames instead of the lag itself... ( I know staff can make the frame limits different, but so can people who know how to set memory "hack") 7) SS servers only can afford pretty crappy servers with crappy firewalls on them. For an experienced hacker it wouldn't be to much of a problem to byp!@#$%^&* it and use something like softice on it to find out what codes to what in a game. NO ONE SAYS LAGGER ANYMORE!! everyone says whiner now... I dont get how that could've changed, cuase theirs always going to be laggers, and people who complain about it, but yet theres more people complaining about people complaining then there are people complaiing about laggers... ohh I'm so confused... 9) Even with the new server changed, many of the "Veteran" finlanders and euros who had weird lag when the server was in finland, still have weird lags now. And they just cant seem to stop owning in whatever event they play in. 10) You can only get so good at this game before you understand how to point and shoot at someone and kill them, but yet some people say that you can go beyond that. Thats not true, this is a videogame, you can only do so much on it, yes some people know how to dodge, but they should be able to dodge only as fast as you can, but that doesn't seem to be the case in a lot of situations. 11) Play TW's, watch the so called veterans there, they all tank so bad there... I dunno, if you have half a sense of brain, you'd see that and not think it was just your imagination. 12) But the one thing that urkes me the most is that I've seen each and every one of you when you all first got dsl/cable and you all sucked becuase you ran smoothly on the screen. But now you jerk all over the screen and you own... You people most think me a fool to be so dumb as not to see that... I've played with you all long enough to realize something like that... 13) Back in the day no one used, kazza, until tapzu started winning lots of games and telling everyone he was d/ling stuff off of kazza, now everyone has kazza on there pc's and % of veterans play with it on... (kazza or some program they see makes them own better) 14) thats all...... But thats just some of the things I notice, oh well it's just a big conspiracy to me right? lol, I'm not that paranoid, I just have very good common sense when I see things. But oh well, I'm spent... Peace, Stylez

Lol give Mike a bigger head then he already has... Either way, I already said Mike does do things around 17th still, never said he wouldn't ever help you. It's just how he treats you (unless he's changed since then) like garbage. He was and always has been stuck up to me and even other staffers who have told me things about him. I don't care about mike anymore then I do anyone else, just that I dont think that he's suited to run a zone that he seems not to have the patience nor the time to run it. Pernille would make a good owner of a zone, she wouldn't have to do much but over see things that other staff do and be there to do them, which she most the time always is. But I'm not expecting you to understand supa jerry^ or anyone else, just expressing my opinions on staff on how I see them and have seen them i nthe past. Maybe I'm wrong about Mike, maybe he's changed, I just know him as the Mike that, no matter how many times you PM'ed him or about what, he never answered you. And then he just talk to someone else, which just pissed you off so much. Well I'm spent, Peace, Stylez

© ║║╚öôöéÄÅ♫♂ç═∟ ®™ I already patented that gibbirsh, you -*BAD WORD*-, that'll be TWO HUNDRED AND fifTY THOUSAN!! or we can settle it out of court now for only twenty nine ninni five....

awww, look at the lil' cration whation, sooo cute, cutie pie!!

lol killa, everything reminds you of something, huh?

Is Cencil a staff member? Please dont answer that.... becuase if he is... *just shacks his head in pity*

I know your in the zone nurps, but 9 out of 10 times it's early in the morning when hardly no ones on. Well maybe not backstabber, but not a very loyal commrade. I mean man, I stuck up for you all the time when people made fun of your skills and -*BAD WORD*-, I trained you day after day without any complaints. I even let you on my squads back then, even when you first started playing. But then that oneday you became a staff member, oh lordy... you changed. You basically became another mike... You banned me for 5000 days man without any questions asked, you didn't have much of a clue of what I did, you just said to me, you was tired of me always getting into trouble. But is that call for you to not listen to my complaints and just simply get rid of me? I've messaged you lots of times for atleast a reply, but nothing... You banned me and you wasn't even here for not even a quarter of the crap that happened that day. Of course I was harr!@#$%^&*ing staff, becuase staff took my powers without a just cuase, they just didnt like that I specced Tapzu during a league game. But I "still to this day" say I did the right thing, me and about 15 other people that day saw Tapzu lagging and still owning, yet his ?lag was perfectly fine... Which can only mean so many things, so I took him out the game due to unfair lag. I mean thats how most other games I've played do it, they dont just let the laggiest mother -*BAD WORD*-ers play in league games, wouldn't be fair. Either way, I tried to talk to you about it and tell you why I was mad, but you just said screw it and banned me for 5000 days , saying you was tired of all the -*BAD WORD*- you had to put up with me.... sound like a loyal freind to you? doesn't to me... I might have deserved a ban that day, but not -*BAD WORD*-ing 5000 days. People get 5000 day bans for hacking the server or something, not ranting on the forums and speccing a supposed cheater..... And I know the rules, but its a -*BAD WORD*-ing game man, people are going to break them, becuase you know why? Becuase they can, and they will... If you want a perfect lil world where no one breaks rules, well read the bible and die, then you will Well I'm done, peace

Funny thing about all that stuff Mike, that I said about you, didn't just come from me, but from tons of other people, who dont suck up to you just becuase your head sysop. Give someone else the zone and you'll see how much respect you'll get in 17th from then on. A lot of people dislike you man, it's not just me who think you are stuck up. You never reply to anyone, ever.... Dude, your head sysop of a zone, stop -*BAD WORD*-ing. When you have such a important job, you most understand you have to put up with all the BS, but you do it by ignoring everyone and thats just stoopid of you. If you have to reply to 5000000 people, then you have to reply to 5000000 people and there complaints.... If you can't handle that, then you shouldn't be where your at... You say you've done so much for this zone? I'm sure back in the days you did and I'm sure you still do. But how do we give recognition to someone for something we've never seen or even knew he/she did.... I tried hard to get along with you man, I had times where I'd PM and say hi, but you'd just ignore me and start talking to pernille or something. Your an -*BAD WORD*-, plain and simple, I can't help I cant see you as anything else.... Also, I'm sure the only reason your head sysop of 17th is becuase you were the only staffer from back in the day to stick around long enough for the original owners to hand it over to you... Don't you think it's about time for you to p!@#$%^&* the torch on? I mean your never here anyways, let someone else take that responsibilaty bro....

Your staff? oh heh, never knew... Well all I know really about you is your one -*BAD WORD*- of a 3D Graphics artist and your great in a Warbird.... umm other then that, have fun

Oh yea, you three guys are great, well what I've seen of you all... Most ER's and Mods now, excpetion of a few are pretty decent. Don't cause trouble and actually try and go beyond their call of duty. Kudos Guys...

*Shakes his head at MikeTheNose' and I still can't see around your fat -*BAD WORD*- when I do this*

Funny that sounds to familiar to me... Make sure to tell people to only use it for up to 3 times or you'll get a ban for it. And don't joke in 17th to a staff member either, they take everything you say seriously....

lol I know man, just my opinion on this stuff, doesn't mean its abolutly true, just what I see after all the time i've played with you guys Peace

oh yea... Vile Requiem - Sorry man , I think Viles a great staffer, I've never really seen eye to eye with him, but he's always opened minded about things, which makes him a good staffer to me. He works his bum off just like nbv, jim, and telson, but never gets thanks for it. Thank you Vile ... Kudos Man SeVeR (JimTheChin) - I dont know if he's a staffer but oh well Jim The Chin, probably one of the most well known people in 17th ever. Doesn't cuase much trouble, works his -*BAD WORD*- off on maps, and is a veteran javer. Kudos Jim, they should make a holiday in 17th for you Explody Thing - Staffer right? for 17th? ah well, he warned me before so I take his a staffer. Umm dont really know him or actually i've never really seen him much, he's like a sighting of big foot Hmm, I guess his a good staffer, whos to say... not me for sure ..... Thats all for now Peace, Stylez

I find it funny that the only veterans that still play 17th are the ones who figured out how to cheat. Other then that, everyone else has quit. 17th gets rid of more people for the dumbest things then they do for people who actually confess to cheating. Which in reality, if they'd just ban someone for cheating and made it known that their on to those people, people would stop cheating. But no, there doing nothing at all, blah blah saying there "investagating", blah you staffers say that about my ban, but I bet you just love that I'm gone. Anyways, I feel that 17th has some of the best staffers yet has some of the dumbest staffers. I'll list by each person I can think of in staff that I can and tell you all what I think of them. MikeTheNose - Stuck up, plain and simple, if you PM him, dont expect a reply. Lazy and has to much power for a fat stuck up prick. Doesn't do anything for the zone but ban people. Basically really worthless IMHO. I wished he'd just quit and give the zone to someone like Telson or NBVegita. Nurples - Where? You've actually seen this guy? I sure haven't in a long time. Yes he's done a lot of work for the place, but is no where to be found. Just like a real job, if you don't have time for it, let someone else take their place, someone with maturity and the time. Plus his a backstabber, I helped this cat out so many times when he first started playing. Took hours to train him in duels and showed him the ropes, yet he says he's tired of me always getting into trouble, but doesn't ever find the time to talk to me about it. Thanks nurps Pernille - Weird but active. I do think she's a good upper staffer, but not sysop material. She favors people to much, people who treat her nice will get extra privalegdes from her. Plus she's a Epion fan all the way. She's so stuck on epion, she'll fist fight you if you talk bad about them. I adore perny and will always, but god does she get under my skin about the simpliest -*BAD WORD*-. She never will agree with you on anything, she's always.... right. Yet she does her job and is always there for you, which makes her a good staffer, just not perfect. Kudos Telson - Probably one of my favorite staffers, doesn't say much, but will help you out when ever you need it. Him and jim work their !@#$%^&*es off making graphics and maps and never get thanked for it (and i know how it feels). But thanks guys, kudos. He isn't as looked up to as the last three, but he still holds high respects from all the players. Silly but yet formal, not like Dire, he knows when to stop acting like a child and get to work. Kudos Telson. Dire Wolf - What can I say, he's just wierd.... Always says the dumbest things trying to be funny and I don't think I've seen him do a -*BAD WORD*- thing since I've been in 17th for the zone. Whys he on staff again? NBVegita - Probably the wisest of staff. His eyes are actually opened. Amazing how much this guy pays attention to details. If you get in trouble, email him and he'll see about the situation at hand. His very good at seeing your side of the story and not just the other staffers. He also does a great job with maps and such. I think him and Telson should be the owners of 17th, IMHO.... ntfx (NetBios) - hmm, can anyone say weasel? And no not SS weasel, but weasel like snitch, -*BAD WORD*-, will do anything to get to the top. This guy has lied so much about me and why I got banned it hurts. And you people suck it all up becuase his a staffer. Either way, his smart and knows his stuff. But doesn't have the majority to be in such a high position. He lacks morals and respect for other players. If you cross his bad side, he'll do what it takes to make you dissappear. I've never liked him from day one, always talks about hacking and sending viruses. Why would someone so noturious like this be on staff? No clue... Blue Silver (tablet) - freind of NBVegitas in real life, I dont see how, his a prick. He trys so hard to impress other staffers. It's sad at times. He host probably more then anyone else, which makes him a good ER, but I wouldn't ever make him anything more then that. He's always in the middle of fights with people, never can seem to keep his mouth shut. I like that his on staff, just not that his so high up there... Foof - ok tell me why his a staffer again? And you staff members say you try to hire mature people, pfft... Makaveli (Zioneer) - Same as Foof, always causes trouble, why cant you staffers think before you hire people. Thats like hiring me when you put him on staff, geez, dumb!@#$%^&*es. Rishadan - My boy, but does cuase trouble at times. I think he'd make a good mod. He's well known for leagues and such (like enterprise 25) Which makes him a great staffer for leagues, just not for making ban decisions. Enterprise 25 - what can I say about this guy? Does his job, keeps up leagues, wow nice man. Doesn't cuase trouble either. Kudos enterprise... ahh my minds gone balnk now, cant remember the rest.... Oh well, you guys get my drift... Well I'm spent, Peace, Stylez

Well actually before you all get started on adding your idea's let me tell you all what i've done so far.... First I made four bases, both of the original two. But with a west and east for soccer and north and south for flagging. I made all the bases way closer to the center (used Jims center from his flagland map, if thats ok? Also used QP's and Jim's tileset as well, for that vietnam feel to it) and connected the center to make only a few openings. Most of the map is a greenish color (grassy looking) I'm not done with the tileset yet, but going to get some help from that later. Four safetys, on each side of the map, there not huge but they'll do. Added a few more flags, not many, to north and south, (like 4 to each base) so that there isn't that big of a gap in between flagging. Put a big circle of rocks, sorta like TW's, around the base of the map, while around the rocks and bases are tunnels to crawl through that connect to each base. So far I've shown it to a few select peeps, and they seem to love it so far. If you want to see the map so you get a better layout of it and can actually then see what to add or take away from it, then just leave me a Private MEssage or Email me at hereticsvs@yahoo.com . Well that's all for now, Peace, Stylez P.S. Jim, I wouldn't mind if you came in on the project, I'm getting NBVegita to help me with the tileset, if it's cool with you...?

I understand you people may hate me becuase of whatever reason. There was no point in a 5000 day ban. Nurples did this on the facts that he heard from his staff... and many of you agree with me staff are not the most honest of people. Same with Mike, wasn't even here and his only going by what others tell him, I cant help so many people, even staffers hate my guts. (Btw, look at people here, I don't even know them, but they just comment here to just to cuase trouble, like many others). But I didn't do anything wrong that day for my ban free to be tooken, I've even had many staffers to say they think it's all BS just to get rid of me. I dont want to hear every noob who doesn't know me or the situation to respond to my complaints. I just want to know why (after all the crap I had to put up with while I was there when I came back) I was banned, when I really didn't do anything wrong. I can't help that I feel a little unjustified about this situation. I really did try to act good this time, I just don't get how people base your actions by things you've done in the past, thats a very biased way of thinking. Also, don't believe everything a staffer says, there people like you and I, their not perfect.... They can lie just as much as anyone else. I'm done, Stylez

Ok, no matter that I'm banned and for whatever reason. I'm not gonna give up on making a good map for 17th. But I dont want to make the map on just my ideas, I want to implement the idea's of everyone. Now don't make anything off the charts or un-17th like. Or something I completely can't do. Just give me what you think would go good in 17th and what type of other things you people have been thinking of and been wanting to get out. I'm not saying everything everyone says here (if any) is going to be put on my map, but it wouldn't hurt to get a helping hand. Thanks, Stylez

lol I cant wait till you get banned from there oneday, then you'll see how it feels...

Exactly...