NOTE: This was meant to go after Polix's post, but Cerium beat me... :/ Just because the SysOps and Zone Owners (and various other people) have been invited to these forums, it doesn't mean we've got any more power over anything what-so-ever. All I see is that this is a good way to post discussion between peers, and nothing more. Zone Owners and SysOps will not benefit from this forum at all (in the sense that they will be able to vote for significant change), and it will not help spead the centralised power that the SSC currently have. However, if the forums turn into a more wide-spread SSCouncil, and creates a more pragmatic and democratic approach to dealing with things (Via. discussion, followed by polling for outcome) - then actions will be *slightly more outside of biller control. The biller, though, always seems to have true sovereignty over anything. Fortunately, Ghost Ship seems to hold a much better way of dealing with things, as he *is open to discussion, and even criticism. Initially, this is how things were planned. Rogue zone owners may have changed the opinions of the Council to whether operations should still be practiced like this, I don't know, however, I'm sure with some more planning (not over complication - before somebody accuses me of this) - this can all be easily rectified. It will be interesting to see how things pan out though, this can either reinforce opinions that many people hold of the SSC, or help SSC greatly. I know that I am hoping for the latter. -Lynx EDIT: @Cerium: Aceflyer has caused other people frustration by making it seem like he's bragging about what he's doing. This is generally a misunderstood thing about him, although I agree with your points that the posts he's made are very condescending to people who aren't within the class he's defined. Complaining about this though, will just make you both look like !@#$%^&*holes. :/ -Lynx