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I agree, and to be honest I think that if any ban is going to be even near one year, it should only be a name ban. I'd be pissed that I lost out on my alias, but I am 100% certain I'd be back on SS within an hour anyway. The only decent way (which is also the worst way) I've seen of bans actually working is banning entire IP ranges - which still leads in people evading anyway.

Evasion should definitely be a factor, let's face it a 12 month ban is completely pointless if you can evade the ban easily - the 12 month ban just leaves a bigger net for others to get caught in.

On top of that, the longest ban should reflect on how long it takes the average user to bypass the ban. I can honestly understand a name-ban lasting hundreds of days... But any other ban type lasting longer than a month seems completely pointless.

I just think that you should be banned when you're bending any functionality of the game. This should include avoiding ignore (no pun intended) - and I don't think anybody gets banned for anything other than that. I still think that a year is too long of a ban, though - considering how shit our ban system is.

I own a Mac. What's there to see?

Exactly what I thought... I believe that they're into flying planes right on the edge of the atmosphere, I read about this in a magazine years ago. This may have been just when they were announcing plans of doing it, though.

I've not really read this article at all, but I'm going to just throw this in for arguments sake; Apple must first prove that you've been smoking infront of your computer. As Apple does not ask any lifestyle questions when you book any hardware in for repair - I can only assume that it will void your warranty if there is clear evidence that you've been smoking enough around your computer to cause a buildup of tar and other toxic chemicals. Clearly, in order for that to happen you need to literally be pumping smoke into the machine for a hell of a long time, and in all fairness - if I was working on repairing a machine I don't see why I should put my health at risk for the sake of my employer keeping some idiot who can't keep his room ventilated happy.

Source: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=info&gid=2219995647 .. Lol 1. You're like an exothermic reaction, you spread your hotness everywhere! 2. I wish I was your derivative so I could lie tangent to your curves 3. You’re like a dictionary, you add meaning to my life! 4. If i was an enzyme, i'd be helicase so i could unzip your genes 5. I'm attracted to you so strongly, scientists will have to develop a fifth fundamental force. 6. Baby, you overclock my processor. 7. Be my queen and mate me with your knight moves. 8. Baby, you make my floppy disk turn into a hard drive 9. You make me want to calibrate my joystick without the latest drivers 10.You defragment my life 11. Do you think we can make it a step more serious and disable network sharing? 12. You must be auxin, cuz u r causing me to have rapid stem elongation. 13. Baby, let me find your nth term 14. I don't have a library card, but do you mind if I check you out? 15. Baby i'll treat you like my hw- I'll slam you on the table and do you all night long 16. Hey baby, can i see what's under your radical? 17. If I were an integral, I'd fill you up. 18. You must be calcium hydride, because if you let me get you wet, then the reaction will be explosive. 19. I think my heart just lagged. 20. I wish I were your second derivative so i could fill your concavities. 21. did you just combust?? Because you're HOT! 22. By looking at you I can tell you're 36-25-36, which by the way are all perfect squares. 23. It doesn’t take a genius to see how gorgeous you are, but if it did, I would be overqualified. 24. Baby, if you were words on a page, you'd be what they call FINE PRINT! 25. What do you say we go back to my room and do some math: Add a bed, subtract our clothes, divide your legs, and multiply 26. Baby, you're a 9.999999999...but you'd be a 10 if you were with me. 27. Baby, everytime i see you, my cardiovascular system gets all worked up 28. I wish I were adenine because then I could get paired with U. 29. What's your sine? The sine^(-1) of you must be pi/2 cause you're the one 30. If my right leg was christmas and my left was Easter, would you like to spend some time between the holidays? 31. You have nicer legs than an Isosceles right triangle. 32. Your so cute you make my zygomaticus muscles contract. (Muscles that make you smile) 33. When you and me get together it's like superposition of 2 waves in phase. 34. Want to meet up so I can excite your natural frequency? 35. If I was sin^2 theta and you were cos^2 theta together we would be 1 36. You know.. it's not the length of the vector that counts... it's how you apply the force 37. If I move my lips half the distance to yours... and then half again... and again... etc.... would they ever meet? no? Well in this specific case i am going to disprove your assumption. 38. Your name is Leslie? Look, I can spell your name on my calculator! 39. If i was an endoplasmic reticulum, how would you want me: smooth or rough? 40. I wish I was an Ion so I could form an exothermic bond with you. 41. If my right leg is the cell wall and my left the membrane, do you want to be the cytoplasm? 42. Our love is like dividing by zero.... you cannot define it 43. Lets meet somewhere... you bring your beaker and I'll bring my stirring rod 44. Baby let me be your integral so I can be the area under your curves 45. Hey baby, what's your tanx cosx? 46. Lets get together and test the spring potential of my matress 47. Let's discover our coefficient of friction 48. Baby, you're so gneiss I'll never take you for granite. 49. I less than three you..... (i < 3 you) 50. I heard you're sin because you're always on top when we make tangent 51. You be Flourine and I'll be Francium and maybe later I can give you an electron 52. My sudden protracted cardiac arrhythmia tells me I love you 53. Whoops, I think my binomials just expanded 54. I must be the Sun and you must be Earth, cause the closer we get, the hotter you become. 55. Baby I wish I could live on a [integral of 1/cabin d cabin] with you. 56. Excuse me, ma'am, but can I get your seven significant digits? 57. I'm overheating because you're stuck in my head like an infinite loop. 58. You must be chlorine cause you are polarizing my bond! 59. Baby if you let your acid react with my base, you can count on getting 100 MOLES of my water and salt 60. i'll be the one over your cosx an baby, we can have secx! 61. Would you like to enjoy my laptop, I promise I don't have any viruses... 62. i'm relativistic: the faster I go, the longer I last. 63. That dress would look better accelerating towards the floor at 9.8 m/s/s 64. I'm a star. Wanna taste the Milky Way? 65. I'm attracted to you like the Earth is attracted to the Sun-with a large force inversely proportional to the distance squared. 66. YouTube Myspace and I'll Google your Yahoo 67. I wanna stick to you like glue-cose 68. Baby, I can feel an attraction between you and me, and it's more than just our universal gravitation... 69. I'll "eye" your pod! 70. B equals T x N. I think you and I should study the T and N planes in depth T and N = osculating plane, which literally means the 'kissing' plane. 71. If I could rearrange the periodic table, I'd put Uranium and Iodine together. (Uraniums symbol is U and Iodines symbol is I) 72. Baby, we've got chemistry together... next period. 73. At absolute zero, you would still move me. 74. Hey baby, your Body and Love waves are rocking my bedding 75. How about we make like the change of base law, with you on the bottom, and me on top? 76. Baby if you were a 6 I would want to be your reflection about the x-axis + then reflection about the y-axis (9 ) 77. Hey baby if i supply the voltage and you a little resistance, imagine the current we can make together. (V/R)=I) 78. Baby stop with diet coke, you've got plenty of ASSpertame 79. Yo baby, you want to see me solve a quadratic? 80. Baby, lim (u->me) ∫ e^x = f(u)^n. 81. On a scale of 1-10, you're a solid e to the power of pi 82. I think that convex butts are ALWAYS better than concave butts..you look toned 83. I wish I was your secant line so I could touch you in at least two places! 84. Baby ill be your asymptotes so i can shape your curves... 85. Would you like to see the exponential growth of my natural log? 86. If you were a graphics calculator, i'd look at your curves all day long! 87. Question: Wanna integrate my natural log? Answer: I'll have to be one over first... 88. hey girl, let's get together and figure out our heat of fusion 89. it's a good thing you've got evaporative cooling, cause i'm gonna make you sweat 90. hey baby, lets figure out the torque of your mass on my rod 91. baby i just drew a pic of you on my ti83 but ur sooo hot my screen melted 92. The way the light reflects off the angles of your head is extremely enchanting. 93. in Old English: Ich grethe Þae, maec Cwen. (I greet you, my Queen) 94.I don't know if you're in my range, but I'd sure like to take you home to my domain. 95. Hey baby. Want to squeeze my theorem while I poly your nomial? 96. Hey baby, I'm like a rubix cube. The more you play with me, the harder I get. 97. You're so hot, you must be the cause of global warming. 98. Since distance equals velocity times time, let's let velocity or time approach infinity, because I want to go all the way with you. 99. Your body has the nicest arc length I've ever seen." 100. I hope you know set theory because I want to intersect you and union you. 101. You and I would add up better than a Riemann sum. 102. Can I be the phasor to your electron and take you to an excited state? 103. Let's make like a transcription factor and response element and turn things on. 104. If I were a Shwann cell, I'd squeeze areound your axon and give you a fast action potential. 105. You must be an asymptote, because I just find myself getting closer and closer to you. 106. You're as sweet at 3.14. 107. You must be massive because I'm attracted to you. 108. I won't stop bugging you until I get the address to your home page! 109. You fascinate me more than the fundamental theorem of calculus. 110. My love for you is like a concave function's positive first derivative, because it's always increasing. 111. Let's convert our potential energy to kinetic energy. 112. Why don't we measure the coefficient of static friction between me and you? 113. You're hotter than a bunsen burner set to full power! 114. Baby, together U and I make uranium iodide (UI3) 115. If I were an assembly language, I'd jump to your address, shift right a bit, push it in, pop it out, load a byte into your accumulator, then jump if you're negative. 116. In Euclidean geometry two parallel lines never touch ... let's go back to my place and study some non-Euclidean geometry. 117. My vector has a really large magnitude. Would you care to normalize it? 118. Roses are #FF0000, violets are #0000FF. All my base are belong to you. 119. I 1-sin(theta) you. 120. You and I must have the same natural frequency, because we resonate together. 121. The surface of my cylinder is not a compact metric space. 122. Most women are so complex. They're always like "i! i! i!" But you - you're just so real. (Note: i! does not mean i factorial.) 123. My love for you is like the slope of a concave up function because it's always increasing. 124. Can I plug my solution into your equation? 125. The volume of a general cylinder was known for thousands of years, but you won 126. i want to go through your every procedure, Do your Loops, and program your Booleans 127. I wish I were a predicate so I could be the direct object of your affection. 128. I think if you and i had Hex we'd be a perfect OA 129. Can I bombard your singularity with my rocket ship until you supernova? 130. you are the log(base 10) 10^1... 131. Let's work out our orbicularis oris muscles together! *orbicularis oris = kissing muscles 132. I've been secant you for a long time 133. The direction fields of my heart all point to you 134. Want to be my substrate/enzyme? 135. You have 206 bones in your body... want one more? 136. Chem students do it on the table periodically 137. If you let me work hard enough, I can give you a dipole moment 138. I love you like an unspoken metaphor. That's why I had to use a simile. 139. Instead of being the derivative, id much rather be the secant so i can touch u not only once, but twice 140. Lets make love like pi; irrational and never ending 141. baby lets measure the amplitude of our physical wave 142. baby you're the basis of my mind. no matter what i think of, it all comes back to you 143. Maybe later we can go over to my place and titrate until you reach your end-point... 144. Baby, you must be a start codon because you are turning me on. 145. Wanna alkylate my alkoxide? It's nucleophilic and ready to backside attack the halogen out of you. 146. The word of the day is "Legs", lets go back to my place and spread the word 147. Baby, you must be a pile of dinosaur bones, cause I dig you! 148. Baby, you're body is like a hyperbola 149. Baby, you're like a pendulum... you'll only stop when I damp you 150. Are you the square root of 2? because I feel irrational when I'm around you 151. Being with you is like switching to polar coordinates: complex and imaginary things now have a magnitude and direction. 152. Our love is more perfect than 6. (Six is the first perfect number) 153. You can put a Trojan on my Hard Drive anytime 154. Baby you must be a modulus sign, 'cos whenever you wrap your arms round me i always feel positive! 155. Baby, I'm like an oceanic plate on a gravity slide - I can't wait to subduct beneath your crust! 156. You're so hot you denature my proteins 157. Baby you know this shit isn't USB2.0..it's firewire! 158. Let's just cut to the chase, I wanna hotsync your PDA. 159. Nobody turns me on from a cold boot like you. 160. Don't worry honey, they call it my dual-channel RAM. 161. If you were Anatomy, then I'd be Physiology because they always go together! 162. Want to make the Cold War hot? 163. My court packing plan isn't my only packing plan... 164. Want to play War of 1812? I'll light your White House on fire... 165. There's a reason they say I started the Era of Good Feelings... 166. Can I annex your territory after class? 167. Do you want to help me with my project on the tit- I'm sorry, TET Offensive? 168. I'll be your Secretary of the Interior... 169. I bet if Jefferson had met you, he would have vetoed the Non-Intercourse Act. 170. Want to go back to my place and discuss Big Stick Diplomacy? 171. Want to reenact the Battle of the Bulge? 173. Hey, up for some high-energy quantum tunnelling tonight? 174. If you were a concentration gradient I'd go down on you 175. Girl whenever I am near you, I undergo anaerobic respiration because you take my breath away 176. If you were C6, and i were H12, all we would need is the air we breathe to be sweeter than sugar... 177. we've been differentiating for too long, lets sum it up and integrate 178. you and i add up better than a riemann sum 179. my love for you is a monotonically increasing unbounded function 180. Your beauty defies real and complex analysis. 181. Your hotness is the only reason we can't reach absolute zero. 182. I use my rod of infinite length for more than just simplifying calculations... 183. You must be a magnetic monopole because all i get from you is attraction 184. My love for you is like pi, it's never-ending. 185. I wish we were in telophase, cause then I could admire your cleavage." 186. Let's make our slopes zero (slope of zero means horizontal => bed) 187. baby you must be O2 cuz i m about to combust all over you 188. I just bought a molecular model kit, want to play with my stick and balls? 189.√-1) 2-2sinθ ∫du √-1) = i 2-2sinθ = cardiod graph (heart) ∫du = u 190. Forget hydrogen you're my number one element 191. You're cute, I'm cute, together we're 2cute! 192. you are like a proton in my core--without you i could never be the same. 193. Hey baby, wanna form a synapse with me and exchange neurotransmitters? 194. Baby, if you were oceanic crust and I was a continent, I'd let you subduct so we can make hot hot magma. 195. I do believe I am your reciprocal; we will be one when we multiply. 196. Hey baby, wanna form a zygote? 197. If I'm the Riemann zeta function, you must be s=1. 198. You're a moving electric charge, and I'm a moving magnetic charge... Wanna flux? 199. If I toss a fair coin, what are my chances of getting head? 200. hey baby, do you need an anatomy tutor? They say i'm the best because i prefer to use a more HANDS-ON approach. 201. Baby, if they made you in Java, you'd be the object of my desire. 202. Baby, if they made you in C, you would have a pointer to my heart. 203. Baby, if they made you in Haskell, it would infer that you were just my type. 204. You're like a Universal Turing Machine; you're the only one that I'll ever need. 205. Like a quantum computation, our paths are entangled. 206. You're like an NP-hard problem of significant size; I could spend the rest of my life with you. 207. If I could program the universe, I would allocate you and I in contiguous memory blocks. 208. If I was an operating system, your process would have top priority. 209. Like a graph with n^2 edges, you complete me. 210. Are you a non volitaile particle? Because you raise my boiling point. 211. If I went binary, you would be the 1 for me. 212. my hypothalamus must be secreting serotonin because baby, i want you! 213. i'm sine and you're cosine, wanna make like a tangent? 214. I sure hope our coefficient of restitution is 0, 'cos when we make contact i never want to part! 215. My love is like communism; everyone gets a share, and it's only good in theory. 216. You + Me = The number of sides in a Mobius Strip 217. Hey baby, let's make a stress-strain curve together. 218. I don't need neurons to stimulate your sensory system. 219. Let 'u' and 'i' be irrational integers such that a real non-monotonic relationship exists for all T = {0 ... infinity} 220. you must be absolute, because every time you're around me, i feel positive 221. Hey baby, can I be your enzyme? because my active site is dying for a chemical reaction. 222. Why don't you remove those barriers to imports? It will ease my inflation and the benefits will trickle down. 223. how about you Palmitoylate my protein, so i can drive it into your lipid raft. 224. baby, i'm gonna break you like a large non-polar substance breaks a phospholipid bilayer! 225. what say we slip between my beta-pleated sheets and you get to know my alpha-helix? 226. i couldn't help but notice your impressive cleavage furrow... 227. let's exchange plasmids - my pilus is huge. 228. baby, if you let me pump my H+ ions into your intermembrane space, it would induce a massive conformational change in my f1 complex. 229. Baby, if you were oceanic crust and I was a continent, I'd let you subduct so we can make hot hot magma. 230. Hey baby, let's vasodiolate! 231. I'd be the photon to your electron and take you to an excited state. 232. You must be sin squared, because I'm cosin squared and together we equal one. 233. Baby can u oil up my geering system while I use my rack-and-pinion steering? 234. Hey baby, I'm a power source, and you're the kind of resistor i'd like to deliver my load to. 235. Baby, let's configure our hard drives in master and slave position. 236. Hey baby, lets turn off our firewalls and connect our Ethernet cable. 237. Babe, you take the 'C' out of sec(xy) 238. Let's fool the physicists and avoid our least actions for the night 239. Ill be the naked singularity. You be the black hole. 240. Baby, let's stone and weierstrass till our epsilons touch 241. I want us to be like the discrete metric 242. If I were a 30 degree angle, you'd be a 60 degree angle. You'd be my complement, and together we'd be right.

EffectGaming.com uses JavaScript as its main programming language, however it's got a very good API that you can call to for all of your 'gaming' functions etc. The reason that EffectGaming.com interested me was it's simplicity, and it's ability to share the design process of a game online effectively, therefore if you're just getting into games dev etc, or you simply don't want the hassel you do not need to create a side website for storage/bug-tracking/wiki/documentation/cvs etc. From what I can tell, you could easily make an in-browser Subspace clone with EffectGaming.com, but as the API has no online play functions (which is a real downfall) you'll need to rely on how well you can code AI (which isn't that hard in JS, anyway). In terms of graphics, pretty much every graphic that Subspace currently uses could be used by EffectGaming.com without any modification. I'm going to be personally playing around with Effect Engine to see what it's real downfalls are (as I am sure there are more...). Unity is a games engine, it seems good enough but there are an array of other ones out there that are all free and open source. It does seem nice though, but it has a price-tag of $1,400 which seems very steep. Good if you plan on using it and making a fat wad of cash, not so good if you plan on using it. I don't see how it beats a lot of open source game engines that are cross-platform and use the STL. That's just me though. Note: You might be able to code your way around providing multiplayer on with Effect Engine - I am not sure.

lol@l.c., nice@kid, emit

They won't be hosting our servers, and in order for the game to work on Valve we need to change our source code (which is not happening) or reverse engineer the client to make changes, then repack.... which may not be a sufficient way of changing things. Like I said, if you can get the games client on a DDS then that'd be enough and it *certainly wouldn't cost even nearly $1,000. Blocks had a very good point about the game - touching the sympathetic nerve would probably be much better.

I honestly don't see what more can come of this thread, and why it wasn't closed posts ago.

Lol@That ... because I've suddenly appeared out of nowhere, contacted a bunch of DDS groups and am seeking to (somehow) make a profit out of a game that I no longer play? I guess this is just another golden Ori opinion which begs me to question whether you were thrown down a flight of stairs as a child. Your consistent fabrication of utter bullshit and illogical approach at reasoning is nothing more than moronic - along side your low-brow methods of belittling somebodies character to try win a fruitless argument. God damn, you're either completely socially inept or truly as much of a tool as I've been told you are. Throughout two entire threads instead of coming up with pragmatic reasoning as to why something is wrong or incorrect you've made clear assumptions and haven't provided anything useful to discussion. Not just that, but you've made it more than clear your level of understanding of what Turbo is trying to achieve. Instead of just thinking 'OKay, this doesn't apply to me' or even posting why it might not work you've insisted that Turbo is a con artist, and that this plan can never ever work over the procedure of 30 posts full of bad grammar, too many capital letters and unnecessary flaming. Either way it doesn't really matter on my part - this plan is not likely to work yet I hope that it does, as I've said and logically proven it can only be a win situation for our continually diminishing (not growing... at all) community as a whole anyway.

Mhmm. Well, what I initially said I'll stick by, this probably won't work, but if it does work by fluke it'll be nothing but win for us - we pay nothing, but reap the benefits of new players. So as I've always said, if you can somehow get a DDS to support SubSpace then go for it. No doubt people will just find out it's a free game and try to download it anyway. It's certainly going to be more publicity than the dead banner advertisement system that Google/MySpaz/Facebook offers. Until something else interesting comes up.

They prospered because they had ENOUGH (hundreds) players to 'tolerate' the BANNINGS of some by abusive staff. There were enough people, with enough friends, who kept showing up to have fun with their friends. By contrast, many other zones with SMALLER population (30-40 players) did not last due to abusive staff. And with the continued dwindling of population, the rest will soon join shalt they continue their corrupted way. Firstly, you're merely selectively replying to my post. Desert Storm done well with a godawful staff team for a long as they could, as did Halo, MG, RS and OF. The fact that other larger zones also have further adds weight to my argument. Secondly, banning is a minor injustice that players have to suffer from abusive staff - anybody would be able to notice that. And conversely, let's look at other zones that have extremely low population such as Devastation. Deva has an extremely, if not the most dedicated staff team that there is, and it's reputation has always been good - yet it's population dwindles in comparison to other zones I won't mention that truly have a laughable staff team. Reputation != Population

@Ori And as I initially said, all that you've posted are assumptions. I appreciate your opinion, but my opinion differs and my experience of online gaming, particularly with gaming portals, has shown that even games with a bad reputation can still retain their population provided that their game play is enjoyable. Even looking at this in a more micro-scale, there have been zones which have literally had completely corrupt staff teams that have prospered due to the fact that their gameplay was enjoyable, and there was a community.

@Ori And ultimately, even if Subspace did appear on any kind of portal site, what damage would happen? Some people may bash the game for trying to be sold when it's free, but ultimately any publicity is good publicity, and with the current state of the game *any* new players is a good for us. If he'd demanded that we shut down our servers he'd have got laughed at but what he's asking is that we give him some information on BDE so he can try and get our dying game on a DDS that could potentially, with whatever means, gather us more players.

If it quaks like a duck... BDE are NOT giving us more players. This scam-portal is NOT giving us more players. There is no guarantee to that. It IS guaranteed that anyone coming through there, paying $5 for the client download, then finding out it's FREE, is going to bust nuts and slander this game and its community to kingdom come giving us far more harm than any good this could ever do. Being made available at cost? You mean MADE AVAILABLE FOR A FEE TO THE DOWNLOADER/POTENTIAL FUTURE PLAYER, not to YOU, not to US, not to BDE. TO THE PLAYER. Who wants to play a game that is available FOR FREE. No. This is not. But for you, mr. "business man", mr. "I'm looking to make a quick profit on back of poor suckers I can easily scam and then send crying home", it sure seems to be the case. The only discussion here is why a scumbag like you is even permitted to speak such vile filth and attain some sort of sponsorship/support from rest of the community. The only discussion here is how Subspace can be pushed forward, in a POSITIVE manner. Not by SCAMMING THE PLAYERS FOR YOUR POCKET"S PROFIT. Your entire reply is made completely from assumptions, and your abrasiveness and in-comprehensiveness shows that perhaps you need to step back from your computer for a moment to calm down. You seem like a level-headed enough guy, but trying to paint a bad picture of somebody who is doing nothing more that putting posts on a discussion board that is hardly read just seems completely nonsensical.

Now it's apparent that nobody has come forth and said who actually owns to rights to what, and the E-Mail which BDE has sent is nothing in business terms, not a thing. On the whole though, it seems that people are forgetting what Subspace, or Continuum is. It's a player-run game, with player-run servers and is slowly becoming more and more open source and less reliant on software which has commercial copyrights. If BDE once had said they would like $100,000 for IP to Subspace, it doesn't mean that they'll still want $100,000 - they *could be interested in making small profits from advertising or increased exposure via the increased player base that a digital distribution service could offer... and what we're forgetting is that this could still all easily happening without them losing any of their IP. Of course, BDE could refuse and this can be something that we've tried, and can truly tick off our list of things that could possible increase the player-base of the game - and what do we lose? Nothing. Even if BDE suddenly got an overwhelming interest in Subspace again all that would ultimately happen is the original version of Subspace would be changed, and it'd basically be Infantry again. Continuum and it's servers are player run, not ran by BDE. We lose literally nothing, the worst possible scenario would be some cease and desist orders could be flown around due to game graphics/sounds, but even that is very, very unlikely to happen. Ultimately, I don't see anything coming of this. The E-Mail sent could easily be miscomprehended as 'Hey, you made this game ages ago and there's a chance it could make some money... Would you like to hear how' and was most probably replied by somebody who doesn't have much idea of what Subspace is, or even acknowledges that Continuum exists. Even if it was okayed that Subspace be put onto any digital distribution services the backend of the game would have to be altered, which would ultimately require the source code of the game be altered which we already know is a problem. As I've said, keep pushing on - there's nothing to lose and I really doubt you could do any damage, but like I said take things slowly and perhaps work in more privacy with people who actually have an idea of the Subspace demographics, how the game works and have seen how things may not have worked in the past - I'm all up for open conversation but I find that too much of it distracts you from your main aims, and unless you spend a lot of time thinking about your replies you could end up doing yourself more damage than good. Just my two cents. EDIT: Games on distribution services don't have to be pay-per-play or even require any kind of subscription business model. Even if you can get it free for the first few months to get a few players hooked when money is involved you can easily just revert back to what we currently have. Again, no loss. Let me remind you that nobody has sovereignty over our little game, and even if this game does appear on any kind of digital distribution service, Continuum will still be available, as will the servers we currently play on.

Innovating is always risky, I believe that if you play this safe our risks pale in comparison to our possible gains. Again, I can't stress how important it is to play safe. Take freakmongers advise seriously, though... Take this whole thing 'sllllowwwwwww' - but keep persisting. You'll probably fail, but if you pulled this off it would be very impressive. -L

Where did Snrrrub not let people access his code? He's provided all the relevant information to Continuum encryption, and the software that Snrrrub made is hardly a solution to Continuums problems.

Wow, it's been a while since I've completely disagreed and laughed at every point somebody has made... Good work.

Subspace has stagnated since version 0.40, some zones have innovated and improved (Hyperspace), and others have had small bursts of population due to dedicated staff and players (Desert Storm), however many have just died due to zones needing to be constantly baby sat on. To be honest, not much has changed, but what I personally feel is that Subspace has no longer got the community it once had. This may be because I no longer really play therefore no longer have any contact with the small zone communities anymore, and let's face it... SSForum is hardly a community. Ultimately, this is nothing to do with SSC (and this is evident, as they've not really done much, anyway), they've got no more control over this game as anybody else (although they may like to think otherwise...), and if anything you can only get as much out of this game as you put in. If there's something that you once liked about Subspace, it's not hard at all to try and recreate it - once you realise how difficult that can be I think it's about time to stop complaining to and to start to enjoy it, while it lasts.