Bacchus

i'm an idiot Ail but i want to learn, show me your sources...macroeconomics... here: Job watch economic policy ins!@#$%^&*ute effect of minimum wage anything else? If most states proceed to raise minimum wage there should be a reason for that, no? Those ARE macroeconomists btw, and senior one at that.

facts? where? You haven't shown anything yet but opinions, which is find devoid of anything factual. Show me sources or stop stating "facts". this either an open discussion with personal view or a do-*BAD WORD*-ented one. If you want facts i'll find lots of them. show me yours, i'll show you mine...or is it "morally unacceptable" ?

Our minimum wage augment every year, sometimes twice a year. And employement is up, people have more money to spend and economy is not doing so bad. Whose models? what theory? speaking out of your -*BAD WORD*- again?

stop it with the nonsense and morally blabla god blabla and gay omg! blabla. please. regarding pedophilia... Ducky in pedophila thread Most of the times it seems it's some kind of deviance' date=' often uncurable. Mind you, you had some fun !@#$%^&*ing off looking at some young porn...you're probably not a pedophile. Pedophilia is an obsessive compulsive behavior, hence pedophile have some real trouble not do it...more so they are aware that it is wrong or very strongly disaproved. They even go so far as to ask for chemical neuting. here's what the experts have to say about it: Human sexuality page Psychology today Homo.com or something Allpsych online I haven't verify all the sources atm. Human sexuality page seems rather simple and straightforward and it's coherent with Allpsych online which seems to be the most serious page. Those of you against gay marriage or gayness in general would do right to search for homosexuality in Allpsych online...might open up their minds a bit. Psychology today is consistent with human sex. and Allpsych..like an intermediary site. Homo.com is the only one with a section dedicated to moral ground and they're going out of their way to be as neutral as possible. have fun.

rofl, most ridiculous analogy ever! do you think sexual orientation is akin to political stance!? And yes, my family political affiliation is conservative and i ended up a liberal...but it'S different here than in the US. in quebec we have a Provincial liberal party (social conservative tradition if you want but it's a front nowadays, they are very "republican" in action) which is in power now. A Quebec's party, which was in power for the last 10 years or so. This is our national party, so they are are rather for a merge in business and culture so to speak...yea, before someone mention it, they also are separatists but that's another story. There's the ADQ, the NPD, UFP, etc. smaller parties with no real political strenght. So you see, unless you live with your parent for a very long time..the outside world from elementary school and up will affect you a lot. Read Duck post... check on every rebel kid out there...

someone who seriously believes that someone raised by gay people have more chances to turn out gay is probably gay. Watch out for Coming Out, it's catchy...

you're most absolutely right i think. amen! and regarding threesome... WAY TO GO!

heh lol at americans rofl at republicans lmao at Bush

yep, same here. Although they don't react as strongly as men do about it. As a sidenote, almost every women i know who'd respond favorably to a threesome would prefer it with another woman rather than a second man

so? Anyway, Monte you're right. I don't undertsand either but i'm quite sure that homos have the same ''thought process'' as anyone else. As far as biology is concern i believe that the hormonal process and effects are about desires...not orientation, be it from psychological or natural reason is rather irrelevant as far as gay marriage is concern imo. and as far as nature is concern, I don't think it's making any difference, nor do i think that there's ''natural reasons'' why homosexuality is controversial. mammals have alwasy been doing it and a ''gay'' dog was never segregate or discriminate because of its ''defect'' behavior. What we see here is a strong ''human'' reaction, in my view it's probably a by-product of strong socialisation and it's based on prejudice, not reason. oh and Dav, women sexual drive suffers no biological degredation before more or less 60 or 70 i believe. They are capable of orgasm til' very old age it seems. well biologically...or so i heard but it's hearsay. And since i don'T ahve any problem with lesbianism whatsoever, i guess that it's only natural to assume that women don't with homosexuality either <_<

What's wrong about being gay? It's not against natural law, nature proved that. And don't serve me the "family" argument...people will still be -*BAD WORD*-ing even if gays are allowed to marry. So what's the real problem? the word of GOD? c'mon. God as we have heard of him hasn't always been around you know... You don't want gays to be bounded by the sacred links of marriage, fine. You won't be sitting beside them in your afterlife. But what on earth is wrong about them getting married...in a ******* common law marriage? what's it to you all (i'd be tempted to say homophobiacs but that'd be too easy) if they benefit from the same fiscal and social advantages as any other married couples? Advocating change? off -*BAD WORD*-ing course i am! Humanity is build on change, our very way of life is one of changes. We are a socially dynamic race. Or you'd like us to go back to the trees? or back when US founders disembark maybe? he, why not going back to slavery while your at it. Prove my point? read up.

imo Anti-abortion law is a major setback in women rights history. Gay marriage should be allowed. Anyway, there's no legit reason to disallow it...apart from the religious one which is bogus. Bush is a re-*BAD WORD*- being puppetered by industry, a loose cannon and a mad cow. War on Terror is cool but it shouldn't a US only prerogative. And pre-emptive war on countries like Iraq is a hollow concept , a total waste of energy and a disgrace for the White-House. Not to mention an insult to the world's intelligence. Lying is a coward's weapon. Humanity greatest lost is common sense. Love you, Didelidooo

~They are coming for us~ ­~THEY!!~ aaah! ~runs off a cliff~ *** sry, i had to do it. They made me

ok, try to answer this question then: Why would you want to picture yourself in a homosexual intercourse in the first place? If that's what makes you uncomfortable (and, i gather, a lot of heteros) why on earth are you trying to picture yourself naked with another man/woman? I personally don't give -*BAD WORD*- about homosexuality. I like getting laid myself...from there it's pretty easy to understand that gay men and women like to get laid also and that's pretty much the end of it. Regarding marriage...well, i don't undertsand why people want to marry in the first place. It's imo a useless thing. I always find that it may have worth something in times of yore when life expectancy was short...-*BAD WORD*-, having one woman in your life when you'll die at 35-40y is easy. Getting married when it means that you'll put each spouses half in common for the greater good was cool...but nowadays it's pretty much meaningless and we live well over 40. Off course, if you love each other and needs a "contract" under GOD (ssh, like HE cares...) to prove it, like a "couple ID"...lol:" look, this my wife RFID" ...i guess it's your right. But it's a right i'll grant anyone, from any sex, color and society...planet even.

sometime i'm under the impression that i'm talking to a brick wall. ail, you seem to believe that God or american "traditional values" have existed forever. just like if Christianity or Traditional Values were "natural" phenomenons. Those are social occurences, they will transform, hopefully to something better. Forget about "premises"...what i meant was that religion was..long before monotheist, polytheist and it was working fine also. It's just easier for the mind to accept that nature is ruled by one supreme being rather than by 26 contradictory gods. Your issue with marriage comes from purely moral reason which are, in my view, a bit twisted by conservatism. and off course, knowledge do exist. But contrary to what you seem to be beliveing it's not a natural thing, it's not the essence or oneness of an object that contains knowledge. It's more like the mind that is made up to create sense and coherence from what our senses perceives. Think about that...how in -*BAD WORD*- would we have known about quantum physics by "looking" into things? Quarks, Guon and such aren't "seen" per see, they are deciphered. Scientific first ponder a phenomenon, then they come out with a theory, then they verify this theory. ex.: once they believed that electricity was a fluid, they invented machinery to verify that...and it was working. Electricity was behaving like a fluid and everybody agreed. all but one that proved otherwise and electrical science paradigm change to today model. you don't need to be a scientific to understand that. and btw, at 19 ail...you're hardly a scientist yourself. the "natural" model of knowledge...meaning that knowledge is "inside" object date back to Plato, Aristotle, aquinas, etc. As is said, it is obsolete and outdated. oh and do get your fact straight buddy. Gay marriage isn't quite about "traditional marriage", it's about having the state recognizing that a same sex couple should have the same fiscal, social, political, economical advantage then anyone else. in short, it's about Common law marriage, and yes..it is a contract, protected by law. And yes, the resistance comes from ppl uneased about tearing down the differences. See ail, in your view each group should be separated and clearly identified: hetero are a product and/or are protected by tradition. As such they are a standard. But gay should be given another name, more fit to their particular nature. 2 separate group whereas what is asked is to brng down those groups. they are irrelevant to politic and economy. ppl will still be making babies don't worry about that either.

most integral? oldest? sry, i don't think so. Your ancestors (mine also), the very basis of our society were polygamous in order to ensure survival, and the greek were sodomite. Christianity isn't an absolute. God wasn't always a figure of unity. man, you're either drunk or dumb...i vote for drunk. Science is the knowledge of nature, no human mind=no knowledge. Knowledge isn't a universal constant...there's no natural laws of knowledge...almost everyone will agree that a human mind's cognition springs not from an "Aquinas" like point of view or like say Aristotle understood it, which is that the essence of all things (read the true nature, hence true knowledge) is in the thing itself. This conception is obsolete. It's a received fact that the human mind is the product of a neurological architecture which "creates" and organize our stimuli in coherent patterns. I suggest reading Kant, or if you like something more modern: Chomsky (generative grammar), wittgenstein, laborit, Hedelmann. Also take some time to read some epistemology author like Comte (positivism), they are at the core of our "scientific consensus". In anyway, the end product was a republic. Yes or no? Rome wasn't built in a day. Revolutions are what makes our societies what they are now. If you like yours, you should see that. US is one of those, your history is tainted in revolutionnary fights and ideals. This is a "non-point". Revolution as in turning around a central point. like in earth revoltuion around the sun...blabla. Violated the freedom of slaves...lol. you're cute sometime It was a violation of human rights and dignity, concepts which were held in high regards. Women vote was about equity...both were meant to end segregation of either sex or race. Gay marriage is about the same basic principles. sexual orientation discrimination, gay marriage is about an end to social prejudice of the gay men and women. It's about the end of difference and the beginning of dialogue. sigh...i think that you could have the reason written in letters of fire all over the sky and you wouldn't see it anyway.

almost every higher mammals displays homosexual tendencies. Dolphin, chimps, etc. who cares? at least they are having sex...something most of you (use "us" if you feel lonely) can only be dreaming of .

plz, stop it this is becoming a bit ridiculous... US citizen: hey, i'm stronger than you EU citizen: hey, i'm more profound US citizen: oh, i thought i was more profoud. btw, you're arrogant! EU citizen: look who's talking?! You are arrogant AND selfish! US citizen: yea so what? you are also, why couldn't I? look at you...a...pffoa...socialist! EU citizen: so, ew...a capitalist US: you make the richer poorer! EU: you suck US: no you first EU: you too US:bah, anyway i'm stronger than you. ok kids, behave now plz. tks.

Believe it or not, there's a continent named America...ppl living in it are also called americans. Read: people living on the American continent. You must be drunk or something. Father/mother/child blabla can't preexist humanity. The bible itself was written by humans, christianity is relatively young as religion goes btw. Wether you belive that it was inspired by god or a genuine work of human crwativity is another story. You're not making any sense. Unless off course, you think that "Marriage" is a force of nature, or part of some quantum physics theory and even then I could demonstrate that science isn't science without a human mind behind it. Yea, they are. They also are usually the product of a historical context...which changes and evolve over the years. If tradition was never to change US would still use slaves and women wouldn't have any right to vote. btw, after every revolution you have to clean up some mess...just like the Secession War might i remind you. The French Revolution was chaotic but they also are the cornerstone of what has become a republic. I pretty sure you'd like it here...

yea off course it'll have effect on a child development, not NECESSARILY a bad one though. I'm hailing from a monoparental family...where was my "male" figure? outside, in everyday life. Am i more screwed up than a "normal" family? nope. Am i a psychologicaly healthy whole person? yes. So are a whole frikkin lot of people on this world. Mind you, "family" as most of you seems to understand it means a father, a mother and a child. This is the occidental/american model...if you think that the world refer to a family in a likewise manner...well...i suggest you go outside or follow an anthropology course. It is far from being the sole and unique social system. Gay marriage, gay adoption, gay that, gay this...whatever will make the world a better place, if 2 person love each other i'm pretty sure they'll care about their child. lol, and I bet that a lot of posters here aren't even in the 20' yet

stfu both, my dad is stronger than yours anyway!

This is utter -*BAD WORD*-' date=' still borderline racist, clearly xenophobic and vastly uninformed (or misinformed) belief and/or understanding of the "terrorists" issue.

Yea, this old true for a lot of factions, not just terrorists. Terrorists usually use those tactics because there's nothing else. They plan to bomb things because they can't protest otherwise (or so they think, whatever). If i had to fight with a very, very, very strong neighborg, i'd certainly used guerilla type strike, and terror bombing. Not some peace march in the street of my newly occupied city. Because usually, leaders don't care. Violence and Fear is anyone weapons, US as much as Al Qaeda.

Guess what? I'm with stoopid There's so much -*BAD WORD*- coming out of the white house it's a wonder why some ppl still think Bush is clean...it's borderlike ...omg, dare i say it...YES! INTEGRISTS! americans, killed? oooh my, aint' it bad...c'mon get real. off course it's bad, sad and a very profound wound that'll never heal, etc. But it's reality baby, you're messing with the world, the world messes with you. yea, geopolitics is a -*BAD WORD*-. In my mind's eye, Bush & Cheney '04 Inc. is as much a terrorist group as anything else. i'm drunk so... "don't worry america, i'm just having fun...you know i love you" anyway, peace (before all the flaming). Have fun, be nice, take care. bye.

they will retract spanish troops somewhere in june unless there's drastic changes in US/England policies in Iraq...that is to say they'll reconsider Iraq admin. is given to UN authorities. off topic but it only means that considering the actual state of geopolitics and economics, terrorism might prove to be the more adapted tool against total !@#$%^&*imilation or such phenomenon. Hence, the "strongest" survive. Dinosaurs were big and strong, they died nonetheless.