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The problem is they were not real cops. They were campus security. Campus security is not put through the training of a standard police officer. In fact they have very little training at all. I feel using a taser in most instances is a great way for police to control a situation. It's like using rubber bullets in a riot. If you are confronted by the police for doing something, resist arrest, make a huge scene and or attempt to get away, I feel they should be able to taser you. Perfect example, the woman who's all over tv for being tasered whiled handcuffed. He tasered her to calm her down the first time(s). I don't agree with how many times he did it, but she was drunk, histarical, and trying to escape. So he handcuffs her, puts her in the back of his cruiser. Now this is where he's being criticized, because she is handcuffed. She began kicking at his back window with all of her force and screaming. I'm sorry, handcuffed or not, if you're attempting to destroy a police vehicle, you deserve to be tasered. I mean what are you defending? Defending the right to be an idiot, make a scene, resist arrest, and cause trouble? Specially in the Kerry case, they got the kid once, and it got him in handcuffs. Do you realize in most states police officers cannot use his gun to defend himself if a man comes at them with a knife. A police officer is restricted to use "equal force" as the !@#$%^&*ailant. It's because of bull!@#$%^&* like this that these laws are made. In at least NY state if a man has a gun drawn on a police officer, and that police officer shoots before the !@#$%^&*ailant, he is immediately put on leave and an investigation is done as prior the the !@#$%^&*ailant pulling the trigger he has done nothing to warrant being shot. You bet your !@#$%^&* if I was a cop and someone pulled a gun out on me, I'd not hesitate to shoot him.

yeah you'd prolly 20k a year, and drake is right it would be rather boring.

I miss the 17th parallel.

The student violated the rules of the public forum, when asked to leave, he began screaming "WHY ARE YOU ARRESTING ME!?" before they even tried to arrest him. They were attempting to escort him away from the podium, at the request of one of the student organizers of the debate. Then he began "disturbing the peace" by refusing to be led out, and screaming loudly. This is when they attempted to "arrest him". Then he fought against that, thus now resisting arrest. He was still fighting until the second they tasered him. Also what I don't think you guys understand is that freedom of speech does not mean you can say anything, anytime, no matter. What else is ironic is that he came into that auditorium to specifically make a scene. He had someone there specifically to video tape his actions. !@#$%^&* the video made it onto his webpage before the local news had it. At every opportunity from the second he left the podium he yelled as loudly as he could, making as large of a scene as possible. Also google taser guns, and you will see actual footage of people being tasered, and not a single person making half the commotion about it as he did. I mean for heavens sake he screamed at the top of his lungs as loud as he could. He even tried to yell for help saying that the police/government were going to kill him. !@#$%^&*ing drama queen. Also the police posted that once outside, he asked if there were any cameras, when told no, he immediately calmed down and cooperated, and even told the police that he's not mad at them they were just doing their job. According to the police report that is. This kid went in there to make a scene, and got what he deserved.

lol so you're honestly trying to say that it was america that led germany to start WWII, and WWI? ROFL. Then you might as well blame england too, because if there was no england then there would be no United States. I mean thank god this is in the spam forum, because this is really rediculous. I know you used the "MIGHT" but if you're even giving a small amount of credibility to it I find that rediculous.

I am one of the first to denounce america for the concentration camps, but neither that nor what germany did is terrorism. As for the Atom bomb, are you just plain stupid? All the bomb did was destroy a city? Have you read a history book? The atom bombs were dropped to prevent casualties. It is estimated that just over 70,000 people from each city were killed in the bombings, so estimate high and say 150,000 people were killed. Nagasaki was bombed on August 9th, and the war ended on August 15th. It was estimated, just in allied forces, that an invasion of japan would have cost between 1.5-4.5 million allied casualties. Which also means japan would have lost millions in the fight. The war had already cost of 50,000,000 allied military and civilian lives, and over 12,000,000 axis military and civilian lives. Ironically over 2/3 of the allied deaths were civilian casualties. I'm sorry if you feel that killing 150,000 axis civilians and military is "POINTLESS" when it saved milions of allied forces and axis.

Yes that post was biased lol If you actually watch the video, after then warn him about the taserng, he for a moment looks like he's going to cooperate and starts to put his hands behind his back...then he fights his arms free again right before they taser him. tattoo? OH !@#$%^&* THEY'RE T3H EVIL P0L1CE rofl.

Yes because if there was no america you would be speaking german and wouldn't have to worry about your language

The ironic thing is that some of the comments I've read state that people are actually trying to blame the Bush administration for this kid getting tasered. I swear people will always try to blame the government for everything.

All I know is since this event has happened all I hear are cries that the first ammendment was broken, what happened to freedom of speach?, and all of that nonsense. This guy, who originally was not supposed to speak because they ran out of time, was granted permission to stand and ask Kerry ONE question. So after being granted this favor this kid decides he needs to make a political scene. After asking one question, where he neglects to let Kerry even answer it, his exact words when told he is only allowed one question were "He's talked for two hours. I think I can have two minutes.". He then continues rambling on, asking his three questions, one of them belligerantly asking if kerry belonged to the same secret society as Bush. When the students who sponsored the event asked the police to escort him from the podium, the rest of the auditorium cheered! This is when he begins yelling and becoming even more belligerant. He refuses to leave, then when the police try to arrest him he rufuses. Once they get him on the ground they ask him to cooperate and put his hands behind his back. He keeps refusing. They continually tell him that if he doesn't cooperate they will taser him. He didn't, they did. Now he's whining. In a privately sponsored event, which anything sponsored by a university is privately sponsored, they have the right to exert the controls they deem necessary. He was given a favor, abused it to break the rules, decided to try to make a political statement, and is now trying to become a martyr. Its sad that becoming irate and breaking the rules in a small political debate is enough to make you a martyr in this country. At least in the middle east you have to kill yourself first. The first one shows everything from the start, but after he is removed from the podium the camera is so awful you can't make the rest out. Video 2 starts just when he is removed and shows a very clear view. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1...h&plindex=0 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1...h&plindex=0

I love the random conversation about nothing in dialect Thats why translators are really useless. It's the same way in english, because of our dialect if you tried to put one of our sentences in, it would return something that makes no sense. Basically all they were doing was laughing at you not being able to translate what they were saying.

lol if you haven't noticed the map and the shipsets have changed....also 17th has just been another empty zone on the list, for the most part. 17th's strongest population has always been its event population. The highest the zone has ever gotten in population was when JWL season I, maybe Season II I don't recall exactly back then, and DL were running simultaneaously. As soon as the leagues were over, the population then dispersed. Its a simple fact, the majority of 17ths population has moved on to different games/zones, and the majority of those who haven't, are the league/event vets. Even if you can get them to stay in the zone for a week or two, even say a month, the reason why most of them became "leagers" is because pub in the 17th had lost its fun a long time ago. I'm not saying that delic will fail or succeed, but no matter the outcome, just don't think its still going to be the 17th that you remember, it will be, in everything but the name, a completely different zone.

I don't really see this as "hope" lol. I mean there have been times where the 17th has spiked to over 20 or 30 people for a short time in a year and a half, and nothing comes of it. There is just nothing to keep players in the 17th anymore. 90% of the "vets" were almost strictly playing events even with the 17th having a good population. For all intensive purposes the 17th parallel is dead. Going foward this zone is going to have, if it can get off the ground, everything new, including a new population, masquerading as the 17th.

she was talking about on the ground, and with all of the tourists, its not surprising that one of them with a camera noticed how low flying the plane was over NYC and managed to get it on tape.

your ignorance is astounding. You just tried to compare the Boston tea party, an event cause by British colonists in North America revolting against their government and the unfair tax laws imposed around and about them, in which tea was dumped into a harbor, further more where not a single being was killed, much less harmed in the event, nor was anything damaged, and compared that to nationallist from a foreign country coming onto american soil attacking a heavily populated civilian area, causing thousands of civilian casualties, spanning across many international countries, and billions of collateral damage. Laugh out loud. Are you trying to say that !@#$%^&*uming guerilla warfare tactics is tantamount to wiring children with explosives and using them as traps? Or justifying killing 30 civilians in the hope of killing one enemy soldier? What exactly would your comparison be? Or is guerilla warefar, during an engaged war tantamount to killing 3000 civilians in a non war time situation? The closest thing you could try to call the US on for terrorism is the Atom Bomb. Which cost thousands of japanese lives, to save hundreds of thousands of both allied and axis lives. At least that accomplished something. Since the attack on the WTC, there have been roughly 320,000 military and civilian casualties, not including any that have died due to things like not having resources after a city is destroyed ect. I'm glad you support such people. They started a war. If not for those attacks The nearly half a million lives lost in the past 6 years would not have occurred. Not even an ignorant person can claim that Al queda didn't see what was coming after they did their attacks. If it tells you just how bad things became internationally for their cause, even Russia and China supported the US. A direct quote from a message sent from Foreign minister Tang, of china, read "in the fight against terrorism, the United States and China stand side by side.". I think !@#$%^&* just about froze over right there. Gave who's land to Isreal? Oh wait, it was Great Britians land. People tend to forget that. What is now Israel was last "owned" by Great Britian. And like the ottoman empire, Britian took "ownership" of that land through military force. They, after WWI, continued to occupy that land for the next 30 or so years until the league of nations finally "gave" it to Israel. in 1920 when the mandate was created Britian was told to recognize "the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for recons!@#$%^&*uting their national home in that country" Yes America was for the creation of Israel, and so were many other countries. Yes we have aided them in much over the past 60 years, but they are our ally. Just as Britian has !@#$%^&*isted us, and vice versa. Thats what allied countries do. But of course blame america for everything, we're used to it by now.

As stated in my prior post, the only reason why you attack a civilian area is to cause a massive amount of casualties, in this case international casualties. What ever motive they can try to rationalize, it does not account for a m!@#$%^&* attack on a civilian target. If they had attacked a military target it would have been completely different. And I ask you sever, how is: Post 9/11 patriotism. It seems like logical deduction to me. Any groups who use these crude weapons and bombs to kill civilians, sometimes even their own, to try to prove their point, are not accomplishing anything, no matter how well they try to rationalize a motive. This goes beyond just the Iraq/Afghanistan incidents. Tell me what motive would rationalize sending your 8 year old son wandering alone, wired with enough explosives to kill not only himself, but many others in the area, in the hopes that when he is found and detonates he manages to take a US soldier or two with him? What is the motive that rationalizes laying your newborn child in a basket, and wiring it so that the next passer by, who will try to be a decent human being and care for the abondoned child, dies along with your child? I believe that no action is done without a motive. But just because you have a motive, that does not rationalize your actions in any way shape or form. As stated before, there was no rational motive behind flying those planes into the WTC.

I'm sorry but I do dismiss the attack as an attack with no logical motive. No one wouldn honestly believe that flying two planes into highly populated civilian areas would do anything other than exactly what it did, piss of the US and now we're throwing a tantrum throughout the middle east. I'm sorry if you're trying to defend these people who think blowing themselves up in a car and killing 20 civilian lives helps them accomplish anything in their fight. For every civilian casualty they take, they may gain more supporters within their groups and cells, but they lose global empathy with each death. Flying those planes into a place where not just the US, but many of the countries of the world, lose civilian lives is plain stupid. I mean not only did you get the US and UK entering into a war, but since the start, 9 or 10 other countries have joined in afghanistan. If their motive was suicide, then they've had a good shot at it. As for the Iraq civilians, that is only top of the mound. They used chemical and biological weapons against foriegn countries and nothing was done. You cannot name a country that is not guilty of the above, if not with the middle east, with another region/country. I'm not saying that makes the US right, but that doesn't make any of them any less wrong, and if that is your justification for the US losing almost 3000 civilian lives, then you can justify that for almost any country. I do tend to defend my country, because there is not another !@#$%^&* country I'd rather live in than the united states.

Sever, you could possibly say that the government had it coming, but not the united states as a whole. No matter how you interperet it, that attack was simply designed to take a large amount of lives, and not just american, as many many countries lost people in the WTC disaster. If they wanted to make a statement to the US, you attack a military target. You don't attack a heavily populated civilian area, populated with people from dozens of countries, under the false pretense that it was going to cause economic turmoil. That would have been tantamount to us in the first gulf war, massacring two cities full of civilians in Iraq and saying that Iraq had it coming because of his rampant use of WMD's/biological weapons in the years leading up to the war. Vice versa according to your mentality we could conclude that Iraq "had it coming" to be invaded because of their rampant history of brutality, abuse, corruption and use of chemical weapons and the like, not just on their enemies, but even on their own civilians. I'm not saying that we didn't do anything to provoke this attack, but I'm just pointing out that if you take the history of any major country into effect over the last century you could just about justify a similiar attack on any of them.

I feel sorry for anyone who lost someone in the 9/11 attacks, including those people lost from the many different nationalities housed in the world trade centers. On a governmental manner, this is going to turn into the 21st century pearl harbor, moreso it already has.

I have a B.S. in comp sci

If you're looking for a good zone to start the newbs in, the 17thparallel would, if they haven't adjusted too much, be a great place for these guys/gals to start. The zone had good settings, something new players could play, and experienced players could master. Each ship is undeniable different from all the others which gives you great variety. As a bonus the zone has been averaging about 1 player for the last month, so you wouldn't have to worry about vets picking on the newbs or beating them into discouragment. That is !@#$%^&*uming you can get enough players in your club to make the game fun without others involvement.

I support Ail in this one.

i can't believe this topic is still alive.

You can only scapegoat so far. When does it become our fault for being controlled? When does it become our fault that we continually vote for corrupt politicians? And if things are truly as bad as you say, when does it become our fault for not staging a revolution?

Clinton was a decent president, not without his flaws, but as stated he had a relatively quiet term, and himself made many military mistakes, but they never become broadcasted. 9/11 was the catalyst behind everything that has happened in the Bush presidency. If 9/11 had not occurred I guarantee that his approval rating would still be well over 50%. And ironically Truman, for the last 3 years of his term did not get above the low 30's for approval rating, and still has the all time lowest 22% approval rating, yet is cited at being a good president. The problem is that the american people complain too much. And if they can't find anything good to complain about they complain about nothing. I think its plain disgusting how the media in our own country spends so much time trying to release propaganda against our OWN !@#$%^&* COUNTRY! Our country is never going to be united. There are too many special rights groups, people making big deals out of things that shouldn't bother us. People always fighting to be "equal but better". For christs sake in a poll where 87% of hispanics agreed that the national language should be english, it was ruled "uncons!@#$%^&*utional" to make the country's national language english. Now I'm not saying not to fight or complain or look for the truth in matters. But there hits a point where when you are digging to find dirt just for the sake of digging, ie making the cia release the reports for the last 30 years on assassination attempts, is just rediculous. Everyone points to the government when something is wrong. Well I'm saying that it's not our government thats wrong, at least for a part, it is us, as citizens who are doing the wrong. We are the ones putting politicians in office. We are the ones telling them what to lobby for. We are the ones fighting to p!@#$%^&* laws, then complain about those same laws one they're passed. Politicians do a lot of their own accord, and for that we only have the blame of electing them to office. But next time you start complaining about a law, policy or program, take a good hard look at it, and really decide if it was the politicians fault for it being in place, or ours.