AstroProdigy

I still am strongly opposed to Sever's idea that Israel should be wiped off the map. So does Syria have Lebanese prisoners too or what?

I don't think Lebanon's claims and Israel's claims are conflicting except for a small area of farms that Syria used to own and Lebanon didn't care when they had it. I've watched george galloway's explanation a few times. It all ends up resting on the Shebaa Farms claim, Israel's past actions and Lebanese prisoners (and sympathy to Palestine is bull!@#$%^&*). Revenge for Israel's past actions is not a forward thinking philosophy, the Shebaa Farms not being owned by Lebanon is only a problem because they're controlled by Israel, although they should give it to Lebanon because it seems to be the "no they haven't withdrawn" argument (although I think this is an excuse), and Lebanese prisoners should be exchanged (although i don't honestly think there are thousands of Lebanese prisoners held by Israel like Galloway says), but this is only with promises from Hezbollah and/or Lebanon to fully recognize Israel's right to exist and respect the borders and refrain from showing rockets at northern Israel. Israel is hesitant to compromise unless they see Lebanon willing to compromise. All Israel wanted from the start was to be recognized and to be secure from other countries. This is how you explain most of their actions. I don't think that Hezbollah could start warfare over and over because they'll only push Israel further away from peace agreements and end up getting a blacklash from the west (the west being part of what holds Israel back from taking it even further). On a last note, doesn't Syria have Lebanese prisoners? I mean they occupied most of Lebanon to a greater degree and longer than Israel occupied the South.

1) They didn't exactly steal the land the Palestinians left (spurred on by their leaders) after the wars to destroy Israel. 2) Israel set itself up with help from the United States. Israel isn't a puppet state of the United States it's a close ally. 3) Peaceful muslims? Look into how they got the land in the first place. They weren't the original inhabitants but the older inhabitants conventiantly must have wiped themselves out? After World War 2, millions of Germans were forced out of lands formerly part of Germany. That was only 60 years ago just as long as the Palestinians exodus. You see Germany warring with Poland and Poland likewise warring with Belarus? No? And that's with completely seperate ethnic groups with different languages and origins and even religions. Palestinians and Jordanians are practically identical and they cling to these recently manufactured terms of seperate ethnic groups. That of course is the West's fault for drawing these borders.

The education system in the United States is terrible. It's made to support the rich and put down the poor. Higher income neighborhoods are given the quality education while poorer neighborhoods get !@#$%^&*. Not only that, but we think closed mindedly about the world. Why do you think Bush had to trick people into war with Iraq? Terrorism was the only thing people understood after 9/11. The word genocide bairly gets a response from Americans but the word terrorism makes them cringe. The African Union can't solve their problems on their own. They know this and we know this. Preventing genocide should be one of our biggest concerns in the world if not the biggest. Much more death and destruction occurs in Africa than the Middle East. Thousands of lives or millions of lives? I know which one sounds better to me. Kurdistan can't be turned into another Israel. There's no basis for this. The Kurds have been there for a long time and have been oppressed for a long time there. The official policy of countries around a new Kurdistan might be harsh, but there would be no people's movement against a Kurdistan like there is in Israel. Think about it do you want to start an organization devoted to the oppression of a Muslim group? It's counterintuative. Not only that, but a Kurdish state would almost certainly be our friend and Kurds in general are more moderate than their neighbors (with the exception of maybe Turkey). Do you want an Islamic movement against Turkey blaming the US for the oppression of the Kurds and create terrorist Kurds? It's just an extra problem in a long list. On the other hand we could be hailed as the bringers of freedom for 30 million Muslims and eventually other Muslims will see that our actions can do good for the people in the Middle East not just bad. This could be the start of a split amongst the stiff resistance to the west and in this situation everyone wins in the long run.

Wiping Israel off the map would be different if Westerners did it because they wouldn't feel the need to commit m!@#$%^&* murders. I think the Arab world is too angry at this point to let them live if they were "wiping Israel off the map". Let me rephrase it so you don't need a translator. The Arab Muslims who stayed in Israel are better off than most of the Arab Muslim world. If they had kept war from occuring in the first place the area would have been a becon of peace and religious toleration for the developing world and especially the Muslim world. However that's the opposite of what happened and that's a travesty. Most Israelis place of origin is Israel. They are second and third generation Israelis. There is nowhere to go back to. You're saying to take a very nationalistic group of people and dispersing them into a number of countries. This isn't a smooth transition you're suggesting. It would be a terrible thing and countries would have to start cracking down on Jews because of this nationalism and here we go again more Jewish persecution. Palestinians were almost at the point where peace could develop with the PLO and then they voted Hamas into power because they're more extreme. That's why I say Palestine wouldn't even be ready. Let's not tell Muslims that extremism is how you get your goals and give more power to extremist organizations who would claim a victory. If you research the Civil War in Lebanon and the Black September in Jordan then you'll see what happens when a diaspora community suddenly influx into another country. You accuse me of theorizing the future, but you yourself have created a neat situation where you're solution is the only one that works and it's the one that involves no problems at all. The Jews in other countries have been there a long time and have transitioned into their respective societies. Not only that, but if they don't like where they are they have an easy option to immigrate to Israel. A sudden influx of Jews would exacerbate the situation. Not only that, but Jews in other countries are becoming rapidly !@#$%^&*imilated and they won't sit idly by if they have no country of their own and are destined to die out. To correct something that happened 60 years ago would only be to cause a new problem and it wouldn't solve the problems in the Middle East either if that's what you're thinking. By the way, there are lots of Jews in the US, but they're leagues smaller than the population of the US as a whole (1/50 the population). It's not even practical. All it would do is make the Jews extreme so we would be stuck with extremist Muslims attacking us and extremist Jews attacking us from within. The west would never support this because it's just gonna cause more problems. There are much deeper reasons for the conflicts in the Middle East than just Israel. Why do you think there are moderate Muslim states that have no problem with Israel? There's a third option: Help most countries in the Muslim world modernize their economic, social, and political spheres. That's what would solve the problems. Help them attain a status comparable to the west and the majority of Muslims will silence their own extremists. The European Union is a great help with this. Look at what Turkey is doing as a result of the European Union. It's opening up it's society for the minorities and making the country generally freer (nor sure if thats the spelling). There's an alternative than Islamic extremism and hopefully one day that's what will win out. (Being dependant on their oil doesn't help.)

Hezbollah without the violence isn't a problem to me though.

Well for one thing we introduced Christianity to much of Africa and now there's numerous conflicts between Christianity and Islam in Africa. We also basically drew the lines of countries which are pretty arbitrary and cut right through various ethnic groups and put groups together that really shouldn't be together in one country. I don't think we should impose ourselves much in Africa (except for economically which is still perfectly in our right and power), but when serious crimes against humanity occur why not act? We knew the genocide in Rwanda was occuring and likewise we know about the genocide in Darfur so why not act on this? We do act sometimes with UN support (like in the Democratic Republic of the Congo. However it seems like Europe is participating in the really important and obvious places while we get stuck with the really hard areas like Iraq and Afghanistan and end up looking like the bad guys (although some of our actions warrant it). When serious violations of the Geneva Convention occur the United States should act like we tried to under the Clinton administration. We could leave it alone and let it go it's natural course. That's what happened in Europe and now they're just basically done with all thei conflicts because almost all of the borders have been fough for so long that they fit more to ethnic groups now and even small minorities are respected in their modern democratic societies. They're even starting to realize that all the ethnic stuff is really a bunch of crap and are joining together now. However, look how long it took them and how many people died and were oppressed before they were able to get there. Then again I'm just hopeful of what we can do in the US. I know the mostly lack educated American public are way too short and closed minded to act in the world in a smart and just way with all the power of the world's sole superpower. :-(

Iran has not done much because at the moment they would bring themselves down if they act. If they situation changed they would act. When your leaders say "flee" when from Israel's actions against the minority who stayed has not been that of persecution then that is what it means. Are you that blind to see a peachy keen situation returning to countries that most of them are no longer from since they were born in Israel and suddenly all Israelis are rich and can do great and be welcomed by open arms. A SUDDEN EXODUS DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY! LOOK INTO THE HISTORY OF ANTISEMITISM ELSEWHERE IN THE WORLD BEFORE WORLD WAR 2 BEFORE YOU THROW ANOTHER IGNORANT STATEMENT OUT LIKE "THE NATIVE AMERICANS ARE HAPPY WITH THEIR SITUATION". Muslims came specifically from other countries and were specifically minority immigrants. With Israel people would be coming from a destroyed country and would look for nationalism in the new countries. Look what Palestinians did in other countries where they had considerable numbers. It doesn't just go smoothly and the people who stayed in Israel would get massacred by the veangant Palistanians. Then we'd have an extremist state with all the resources of Israel to deal with. Why don't we leave them Israel's nuclear weapons too? That's smart. The War between Islam and Judaism hides a much bigger war that we so far have kept at bay between Christianity and Islam. Actions like what you suggest are ways to go towards opening the flood gates to an explosive war where no one wins and millions die (at best). This is the bigger picture you ignore when you call for the destruction of Israel. If things were so neat and perfect in the first place there wouldn't be a problem and everyone would have land. I approve how masscarnage doesn't believe that Israel shouldn't be wiped off the map. Seriously this is an impossible situation you suggest. Yes Israel should give the Shebaa farms to Lebanon. It wouldn't make much of a difference to Israel and it would destroy the main reason for continued conflict between Israel and Lebanon. When Israel gave back the Sinai peninsula to Egypt...well we haven't seen open war between the two countries since then have we? As for difference of opinion http://time.blogs.com/daily_dish/2006/08/t...ar_for_our.html

I don't think the west can stay out of Africa in the global age. The west caused much of the problems in Africa today so why not correct the most heinous crimes against humanity that we are originally responsible for?

Do you understand Hezbollah's goals at all? They don't want a shorter leash for Israel they want to kill Israel (and every jew inside). You guys support an organization that would do what you claim you don't support. Who uses a cluster bomb in a civilian neighborhood? Who launches rockets randomly at towns and cities with no military target in mind? Islam may be a peaceful religion, but it is the extremists who run quite a lot of the Muslim world and the rest lets them. If Israel loses its military power watch the suicide bombings turn into invasions. I looked up your claim that Israel was still occupying farms in Southern Lebanon. Turns out it's just a bull!@#$%^&* !@#$%^&*faced excuse. Israel captured the Shebaa farms from SYRIA. It's sort of a disuted boundary between Lebanon and Syria (that Syria had control of) and Israel captured it. You know what that means for Hezbollah's use of this as their reason for continued attacks on Israel? IT'S AN EXCUSE SO THEY'RE EXCUSED TO KEEP ATTACKING ISRAEL! If I was running Israel I'd say give it back to Syria so Hezbollah can stfu and have to look for a new excuse to kill civilians. Actually that might help Israel by forcing Hezbollah to turn on Syria for the land. Oh right they're not going to because the area IS POLITICS! IT'S ABOUT POLITICS AND EXCUSES! ----- Sever you are blind to reality aren't you? Sorry you don't want them all killed, you're just completely blind to the reality of what would REALLY happen. For one, where would millions of people suddenly go? Last i checked all arable land is occupied already. No more Israel because no country would allow them to make a country within their country. Bye bye all the work they put into making Israel a 1st world country they're just handing that over to Palestinians now. Forget the religious reasons for being there because Islam is more important huh? Best case scenario: Jews are dispersed into dozens of countries and have trouble settling into minority status again and this results in renewed persecution of the Jews. The Jews left in the newly formed Palestine face extreme persecution and either flee or are killed. Worst case scenario: Jews are massacred while they're preparing to leave because their neighbors can't resist the chance to kill as many Jews as possible. Any leftovers go to western countries and incite them to hate the Middle East. This precedes a huge war between Islam and Christianity. There's your end times. Sever if you study the exodus of Palestinians you'll see that it was spurred on by Palestinian religious leaders to create a refugee crisis and give an excuse for what's going on now and what they want to happen. It's not about good and evil. It's about backward extremists and modern moderates. Who do you think we're gonna support? The United States hardly sold Israel completed warheads and said "here stick some uranium in here and you're finished." Lot's of countries have nuclear weapons even a Muslim one. It's not about good and evil. It's about politics. Israel knows they could never get away with simply firebombing civilians to solve the problem and Hezbollah uses this to their benefit. I'm suggesting getting their goals using PEACE. The world greatly appreciates countries that use peaceful resistance instead of violence. This would help Lebanon loads more than what they do now. Listen to the President of Iran's speaches. Look at the extremism in Iran that would allow for the actions that the President of Iran would like to commit. Sounds very close to how the Nazis were able to do what they did. Extremist countries whos president has talked about destroying the West means they don't get to dominate the region.

Action speak much louder than words. Hence all the state bans on any form of gay union. If you read the Bible directly you find that things contradict most things. That doesn't mean we are going to follow the whole Bible literally (unless you want a similar situation to Islamic fundamentalism). "I could ask the same question why liberals always teach their kids that the Bible is garbage and God doesn't exist." -quickspy "I never said you were atheist nor did I ever claim to know what religous affiliation you were." -quickspy "He never said you were atheist... wtf are you ranting about?" -Thunderjam OH OK BECAUSE YOU CAN TEACH THAT THE BIBLE IS GARBAGE AND GOD DOESN'T EXIST, BUT STILL BE A CHRISTIAN!

No no Hezbollah must be innocent victims because masscarnage was on one side of the effected people and must see things rationally since he saw it from both sides...oh no one side only. He also calls for the destruction of Israel (and in effect the genocide of millions); that's the rational side alright. Sever calls for the destruction of Israel and supports Hezbollah because they must be the good guys if they are attacking Israel right? I mean since continuing murder on civilians means that your cause is still worthwhile because peaceful acts of resistance means your cause doesn't matter. But no ignore the reality of what's there and call for some imaginary (and impossible) replacement state and let's force millions of people to flee because Arabs need more land than all the other land they already stole in the name of Islam. They brought it on themselves thinking that if they try killing all the Jews back then it would have worked out and instead it backfired so its TOO BAD. Palestinian is basically a manufactured term created by Britain, but since it can be used as a weapon to rearabize the land then why not use it? I mean when other groups oppress non Arabs (including Arabs oppressing non Arabs) then they call for the destruction of those states too even when it hurts them because that's what's right and Islam teaches morals. OH RIGHT THEY ONLY USE IT WHEN IT SUITS THEM AND WHEN IT DOESN'T JUST PUSH IT UNDER THE RUG. THEIR OWN MUCH MORE HORRIBLE ACTS DON'T MEAN ANYTHING BECAUSE CERTAIN PEOPLE IN THE WEST CAN'T TAKE THEIR HEADS OUT OF THE SAND AND JUST WANT TO APPEASE EXTREMISTS WHO ALSO WOULD CALL FOR OUR OWN DESTRUCTION BECAUSE WE DON'T SUIT ISLAM AND ARABIZATION!!!! BUT NO IF I DISAGREE THEN I AM JUST IGNORANT AND REPEATING BUSH/BLAIR/ISRAEL MEDIA PROPAGANDA BECAUSE THAT MUST BE THE ONLY WAY TO DISAGREE! AL JAZEERA MUST BE PURE AND PERFECT BECAUSE ISLAM IS RIGHT HUH? LOOKS TO ME LIKE EXTREMISTS FEED YOU !@#$%^&* TO HELP WITH THEIR OWN AGENDAS AND YOU'RE NOT BRIGHT ENOUGH TO SEE THE BIG PICTURE!!

Don't put words in my mouth. I'm saying Hezbollah knew the only thing that could happen is even with possibly a so called "victory" the victims in this would be Lebanese civilians, but I think power was a more important thing on Hezbollah's mind.

Yes calling me an ignorant Republican who just gets his news from FOX is a nice argument for someone else, but for me it's just a lame attempt to ignore what I'm saying. Hezbollah doesn't hide amongst civilians? There's extensive proof on the contrary. You don't need proof of Israel continuing to occupy Lebanon after 2000? Cool that means there isn't any. Yes I have watched George Galloway's interview. You say the exact same things he said (shows what your opinions are based on). He doesn't show proof of the basic claims for continued warfare and neither do you that's nice. So you just spew out what this guy says. You say Israel continued to occupy Lebanon and then showed no proof. I ask for proof and you respond by saying you don't need any and that I need to show proof that they didn't continue to occupy parts of South Lebanon....nice. Propaganda is just a non Lebanese phenomena huh? Nice one. Israel would dominate the air even with an inferior air force like they did in the 6 day war. You obviously don't know what you're talking about. Israel has invaded other countries in response to their own attacks on Israel you completely ignore this. Like I said I bairly even pay attention to American media on this issue, but this doesn't fit you "OMG ISRAEL IS A TERRORIST STATE OF DEVILS THEY NEED TO ALL DIE AND ANYONE WHO DISAGREES IS BRAINWASHED!" argument. Yes I'm sure showing a dead baby's body is very emotional, its enough reason to massacre millions more, including women and children right? Again you say "Bush, Blaire, and Israel" equating Israel as a person you think it's evil so then ITS OK TO KILL ALL THE JEWS CUZ ITS JUST ONE PERSON YOU HATE LIKE BUSH AND BLAIRE ITS NOT MILLIONS OF INNOCENT CIVILIANS!! You buy into the propaganda hook line and sinker. Yes, Iran is helping its own agenda and using the people of Lebanon and Hezbollah to further that agenda (exterminate the jews and become a world power). Yes that's what their ultimate plan is. It doesn't take an idiot to realize the Nazi-like extremism of Iranian government. It's sad that you play into that propaganda. You think I'm extreme, but no you have no idea what the extreme on the other side is. It's almost as extreme as your side. If the moderates like me let them do what they wanted Israel would have a much bigger state and everyone else who was there would be dead. I like how Sever says "bought into the good vs evil" but all he's doing is gladly reversing the good vs evil role.

Yes yes a mistake by Israel based on incorrect intelligence not on an intent to kill civilians. Yup Hezbollah doesn't attack civilians sure why not go with that line. Lebanon isn't Palestine. When Turkey kills Kurdish civilians what does Lebanon say? NOTHING! Hezbollah isn't just a thug organization. They're a lot smarter than that and they know how to manipulate the situation. Israel must fully retreat from Palestine? You're suggesting for there to be no more Israel and then what would happen to the "innocent jews"? Oh that doesn't matter now does it? If you want to throw around crap that Israel was continuuing to occupy Lebanon after 2000 show me proof. Yes yes all newscasts are biased they are owned by the Zionists bla bla bla. Bush, Blair, and Israel? Either you're saying that they are 3 countries or they are 3 people. Either way you're twisting the situation into one that makes it easier to call for a Holocaust. The United States, the United Kingdom, and Israel are all in agreement that Hezbollah is not a nice little rational party. It is an extremist Shiia Islamic organization. Most of the west would agree and although much of the world would condemn Israel for some faulty actions that caused more civilian deaths than were necessary, none of them support Hezbollah as a just organization that's not at fault. That is mainly from the Muslim world and mainly from Syria (which wants to influence Lebanon and would love to see a massacre of the Jews) and Iran (which wants to influence Hezbollah and Shiia worlwide to gain power and would love to see a massacre of the Jews). Proof that America gave Israel hundreds of nuclear weapons? By the way Israel is well capable of creating its own nuclear weapons. Hezbollah having weapons isn't a problem so much as what they do with those weapons, mainly attacking other countries with no provocation. Also, a somewhat rogue Lebanese militia being more powerful than Lebanon itself is a problem. Israel doesn't call for the destruction of Lebanon that's why they're allowed weapons. If Hezbollah had fighter planes Israel would demolish them with their vastly superior tactics they way they did to Egypt, Jordan, and Syria in a matter of days. Hezbollah's only trump card was to use civilians as shields and knowing Israel wouldn't cause the civilian casualties they are capable of because they aren't a terrorist organization aimed at simply killing everyone regardless if they're civilian or military. I'm sure other groups will take from Hezbollah's example and sacrifice civilians in order to gain political victories. Hezbollah will not gain support from non-muslims outside of Lebanon because stable democratic countries aren't stupid. I'm sure Hezbollah will gain lots of support from Shiites. I don't even see Sunnis outside of Lebanon moving to support Hezbollah since this is as much a conflict between Sunni and Shiia Islam as it is between Israel and certain Muslim countries. I'm sure saying "terrorist Israeli state" let's you sleep at night not thinking about the millions of civilians that organizations like Hezbollah would massacre if they had the chance.

What Israel did 2 decades ago is purely an act of revenge by Lebanon (revenge doesn't make right). I believe Israel stayed in a small area in the South that was actually claimed by both Lebanon and Syria. What is truly right? Killing all the Jews is the true cause? Israel went into Lebanon the first time to fight against the PLO which was attacking Israel. I'd like to see sources of supposed 1000 Lebanese prisoners that need to be returned. If Israel wanted to unleash the full power of their forces like Lebanon was there wouldn't be a Lebanon left on the map. Hezbollah launched thousands of rockets at Israeli civilian areas, but Israel caused more casualties because their weapons are more effective. It's also largely that Israel has much more effective plans for protecting it's civilians (such as bomb shelters and more effective evacuation procedures) from attacks, which reduced casualties quite a bit. Hezbollah's tactics are to attack civilians while hiding among civilians; if you're willing to give your life away to support Hezbollah attacking among civilians like you then you really are extremist to the situation. Just because Hezbollah denies most of it's casualties to make it look like Israel was just attacking civilians doesn't mean Israel didn't kill a !@#$%^&* of a lot of Hezbollah fighters. Israel could have run their part more efficiently, so people are now calling for the resignation. Hezbollah purposely ran a dirty war against civilians and now they're praised by people in Lebanon. That's a huge difference. Another huge difference is if Hezbollah stopped it's attacks, then so would Israel, however, if Israel stopped it's attacks, Hezbollah would continue it's attacks. I know you're emotional about the issue, but put yourself on the other side with Hezbollah firing rockets at you and killing people you know. You're opinion would be the opposite, which just goes to show that your opinion is clearly clouded by your own personal experience and can't seem look past what happened to you specifically and are readily willing to buy into Lebanese propaganda. I wasn't brainwashed by American news; I bairly paid attention to the news; I researched the situation myself.

United States doesn't see all the people in camps surrounded by the Janjaweed ready to massacre them as soon as they get the ok from the government of Sudan. If there is a genocide occuring I'd say an invasion would be the only solution. Then again that's just me other people might not care about genocide. That should have been the top priority of United States military after Afghanistan, but then again Americans are dumb!@#$%^&*holes and they don't give a flying !@#$%^&* about anyone else unless they have something to gain.

I don't even understand what you're saying yoink this isn't a Republican versus Democrat issue. This isn't me following my party because I think you're saying my party is the Republicans which it ISN'T.

Africa is a much bigger area (of many many countries) and is nothing near as simple as the Kurdistan question. I agree we should aid African much more and prevent genocides. However much of the problems are religious ones sparked mostly by Islamic extremism. Arabs in the Middle East and Africa compare the problem with Palestine as a monumental problem and then push all the horrible attrocities they commit under the rug. I think Europe and a lot of people in the United States should take their heads out of the sand about what extremist (lots of them are extreme) Muslim countries do.

Yes because attacking the country with one of the best trained militaries in the world is what helps his people live decent lives first and foremost. It shows how they've benefitted already and continue to benefit. Haha sarcasm.

The United States has toppled the regimes of two of it's neighbors and now they would like us to leave so they can consolidate control over the region. You don't see Israel calling for the destruction of Lebanon and that is a huge difference. Lebanon had their legitimate objectives met. The calls for the destruction of a neighbor state wouldn't be tolerated in other parts of the world, but here it's ok? Don't feed me that "they stole the land" and as long as Palestinians "are violent and warring" then the destruction of Israel is still a legitimate possibility. Israel has no stake at targetting Christian villages in Lebanon. Use your brain. Christians are the ones Israel would least want to attack since they're probably the most progressive of the groups in Lebanon. If Israel attacked Christian villages it was either because Hezbollah groups were operating withing civilian areas or they were mistaken. Israel isn't re!@#$%^&*ed they don't purposely look to screw themselves over. If you look at a map of airstrikes in Lebanon you'd see that they are massively concentrated in the South and in areas of Lebanon dominated by Hezbollah. This is hardly a war on Christians. I'm not saying the Israeli military was working as efficiently as they should have restricting civilian casualties, but they weren't targetting civilian areas for no reason because there's no point to trying to kill civilians when you aren't even working at anywhere remotely near a genocide so THERE'S NO POINT OF ISRAEL DELIBERATELY TARGETTING CIVILIANS FOR NO REASON!! They're trying to get a lasting ceasefire now although I'm sure you wouldn't mind if rocket launches on Israeli cities and towns again.

People care, it's just leaders don't because they only want to help when they have something to gain. They really don't give a flying !@#$%^&* about the genocide of millions if it will hurt their political career. This is obvious with most American politicians. I mean look at the death of a few thousand in Lebanon. It sparks public outrage and is called a genocide and compared to the Holocaust by countries who have alterior motives while the eventual genocide of millions in Darfur goes relatively ignored because there's no gain to the Arab world which wants to strengthen Arab influence in the world and Europe and the United States don't see a gain to them either. That's why, even though military action should obviously have been provided it wasn't really even used as a threat. The European Union should set a military up to be available to prevent genocides when the United States military is tied up in political blunders like the Iraq War.

Incase you haven't noticed, Southern Lebanon has civilian areas too. That's where they say they are being launched and the northern areas are where they are being stored. Hezbollah uses Southern Lebanon like a battlefield and Nothern Lebanon like a storage warehouse. This has nothing to do with Iran's animosity towards the US, but it's a nice cover.

Kurdish areas have lots of oil and it's mountainous not desert. Also, it's not religious land, it's just for the sake of power that Turkey, Syria, Iran, and formerly Iraq would oppress the Kurds. It's just like the Polish situation 100 years ago. If anything Islamist extremists should call for freeing 30 million people from oppression and sporadic genocide, but that doesn't fit with their master plan of destroy Israel and the West. Seriously, this just shows the true colors of all the organizations that call for the desctruction of Israel so less than 5 million people are freed from repression and completely ignore a much bigger case of repression right there in the middle of everything. Shame on Muslims worldwide who don't call for their freedom from the true foreign powers.

Well it is like 30 million people of a different ethnic and linguistic group that have all the characteristics of a country except they're split up in pieces *cough* Poland 100 years ago *cough*. By the way, when Bush needed the media to get his way with Iraq and the 2004 election he got it. Now that public support would be apposed to Bush anyway and would hate the media if they still supported him what do you expect? They still manage to keep certain things low key. There's a very big and complicated issue in the Middle East bigger than the Sunni-Shiite problems and we bairly hear about it.