AstroProdigy

lol getting nukes isn't that hard, but the international community acts negatively to it. Iran just doesn't care because all the oil they sit on the world needs. You don't need nukes to matter. A strong economy, modern military, or other ways allow you to become a world power, but I guess nukes are easier when your country is too backwards to exert real influence except over other Shiites.

Iran is a budding world power? That's such a joke. It's not even just that yet another country gets nukes. It's the fact that a non democratic, extremist country, that has a score to settle with the US for our own stupid actions trying to keep them oppressed by a corrupt dictator that caused them to turn to extremist clerics to rule them for an iron fist and has brainwashed it's people to call for the death of the west. We don't disagree that Kim Jong Il brainwashes his people so why is it so hard to believe that extremist Islamic dictators can brainwash their people? Ok Iran needs more time to create enough radioactive material for nukes. That's a good thing. I'm glad to hear it.

Anyone who says the US and other countries with nukes should give up their own nukes before they ask others not to make them obviously doesn't understand that a country with nukes is literally indestructable and can never be invaded because they can use their nuclear arsenal. That's why they'd never really give up their nuclear arsenals and that's why there shouldn't be even more countries with nukes because that creates more variables and increases the chances of mankinds nuclear annihalation. On top of that, only modern countries with democratically elected governments should be trusted with nukes because the people would not support using the nukes unless nukes are used on them because these people have lived the modern lifestyle and aren't so eager to end it all for religious reasons. No theocracies can be allowed nukes because crazy clerics who think the end of the world will bring them unlimited happiness aren't the kind of people I'd trust with the means to end the world. As I said before, having nukes is not a right.

I don't know about you, but PETA makes me want to eat more meat.

Iran isn't an Arab nation. The president of Iran publicly calls for destroying the infidels along with prayers to destroy the infidels by the public. There is an element of power. It's not like Iran would FOR SURE use their nukes. Chances are they'd first try to use them to dominate the Middle East. No country should have nukes. However you can't stop the ones that have already made them from having them. Therefore, preventing any more countries from creating them is a top priority; especially one that would use them. The Jews took a little bit of neglected desert and turned it into an economic powerhouse. The Palestinians didn't do didly squat. Iran doesn't have that power yet. That's why they can't be allowed to create them. Other countries with nukes understand this. In fact, I don't think people trust Iran not to use the nukes. They may not ever use them against China, but if they launch nukes at the US and Israel and the US and Israel respond with nukes then we've all got a big mess. It is impossibly difficult to make nations disarm. That's why we can't let them get the nukes in the first place.

TeHsU: Oh yes the US and the UN are both controlled by those dam jews...right. The land of Palestine? You act like it was a sovereign nation even thought it was a possession of Britain. It doesn't even contain a specific ethnic, language, religious, or cultural group considering that all the countries around it have the same language, religion, and culture. This is like Mexico losing Texas, not like France losing it's whole country. I can ask you since when do the Arabs in Palestine and the countries surrounding Palestine get to go kill the Jews to solve the problem? They lost the battle and pretty easily at that. Like I said before; TOUGH LUCK. Sever: Most countries would be looking to create nuclear weapons with the actions Iran takes. Iran takes it a step further wishing to "destroy the infidels". Iran is no more holy than the US. Ok the US has thousands of nukes. That mean Iran would do the same? As I said you think Iran is holy? You think they don't want power? Did you get hit in the head as a child or were you born this way? LOL that you think they're looking ahead. The oil's gonna last at least half a century (that's if the world doesn't decrease it's oil dependancy) and it would last them alone for a very very long time. 2.3 billion dollars to 6 million Jews is less than 500 dollars each. Can you do math? They're gonna lose their homes and everything they've worked for for less than 500 dollars? "The Jews are wealthier than many other people" means a lot considering that the vast majority of the world is poor. "Poverty level" means you don't even make enough to get by. You think near poverty level people can just "adjust" to a forced exodus? Look into the full issue before u nit pick small parts. Not only that, but Britain wouldn't do well if they were suddenly all forced out of their homes and scattered either. So now what's your argument? You have to be stupid to think that it's ok if some of the people are alright with your proposed "wiping Israel off the map" please take some economics classes before you spew bull!@#$%^&* and nit pick only small things so they support your argument. On average Europe is a richer country? You seem to be fond of the word "average" even though it's just one of many factors that economists look at. You do understand that the vast majority of the world isn't rich and wouldn't adjust well to losing their homes and their livelihoods all of a sudden because of some crazy nutbags who are stupid enough to think its peachy keen and easy when it supports your argument. Figures of wealth level also don't take into account suddenly losing your whole livelihoods and wealth. No one adjusts well to that... You're whole argument seems to be that Palestinian Arabs are absolutely right as well as Iran and Hezbollah, while Israel, Britain, the US, are absolutely wrong. I thought you didn't believe in absolutes? Then you throw the idiotic and ignorant !@#$%^&*umption that simply taking millions of people and suddenly taking everything away from them and scattering them across the world and giving them less than 500 dollars each is just fine. Having nuclear weapons isn't a right. You can't seem to understand that. Having nuclear weapons is wrong and its regretful that the countries who already have them got them. Letting Iran get them too doesn't make it right...it just makes it more wrong. Palestinians are Arabs. That is an ethnic group, however it's the same one as the countries surrounding them.

1. I don't think there are inspectors to see if they are also building nuclear weapons. 2. I again ask you how naive do you have to be to believe they'd stop with nuclear power? For one, they sit on a giant oil reserve. A nuclear power plant is completely pointless. On top of that, they know nuclear weapons would give them much more power in world events. Sorry if I don't think Iran is a holy country that does no wrong. "They are wealthy!" "Did I say "all"? Stop twisting words." No you inferred it, but good job. Then you try to prove your argument with zero knowledge of economics. The United States has more per capita income, but we have loads of poor people. Per capita income means the AVERAGE. If one person makes 1 billion dollars per year and 999999 people make 1000 dollars per year it averages to 2000 per capita. European means rich? Are you insane? There are lots of poor countries in Europe. Just because France, Britain, and Germany are rich doesn't mean Europe is all rich. Another stereotype. Throwing "bank balance of 2.3 billion" when you don't even understand what that means doesn't make you look smart. China has an account balance of 160.8 billion, but has a per capita income (with purchasing power) ranked 84th and a nominal gdp ranked 110th. Please don't throw figures around if you don't understand what they mean. It makes you look re!@#$%^&*ed. Again, you are re!@#$%^&*ed. There haven't been periods of peace? Really? I've said it before I'll say it again. You are re!@#$%^&*ed. If the government can't control it's people sometimes that doesn't mean any old civilian can keep the war going by blowing himself up in his car. The international community isn't that re!@#$%^&*ed to believe Iran isn't using nuclear power (which is completely pointless for a country with mammoth reserves of oil) as an excuse to make nuclear weapons. Being naive isn't an excuse to let bad stuff happen. Go ask a civilian in Iran if Iran should be able to develop nuclear weapons to and they'll overwhelmingly say it's their right. If the people support it and you want to do it for power, then there's no reason not to when idiots like you turn a blind eye. Palestine is an Arab country. The country and its borders are manufactured. They are not based on an ethnic group. They are based on divisions by foreign powers. The Arabs in Palestine along with Arabs in other countries made the decision to destroy the state of Israel from the start. They failed. TOUGH LUCK! Israel is even willing to let them have their own state, but only if they can get a government that doesn't call for Israel to be wiped off the map. This is too hard for them. When the PLO became moderate and progress began, they voted for extremists again. That's their fault for !@#$%^&*ing themselves up the !@#$%^&*. People can't seem to get over that this little sliver of land is owned by Jews. I know Europeans and Arabs are having trouble adjusting to the Jews owning something for once, but the US doesn't need to believe in some crazy order that was started a long time ago.

Sever: How naive are you to think Iran doesn't want nuclear weapons? The Jews are all rich people? Stereotype anyone? There is no 60 years war. It's a figment of your imagination. A war is not qualified by changing enemies and various periods of peace. That's ridiculous. China and Russia supporting a deadline is because they agree Iran should not be allowed to have nuclear weapons, but the oil they can get from Iran if they don't impose sanctions also has an effect on them. Iran and Iraq are totally different situations. Iraq had no weapons of m!@#$%^&* destruction, while Iran is developing them and glad to talk about it. It's like you think Iran is some sort of "God's country" and that the people there are holier than the rest of the world and would never commit dishonest acts nor do things for their own interests. NBVegita: In the past the enemy had an obvious ability to attack us at home. Today an invasion of the US is impossible. However, a nuclear attack would be devastating. If they actually hit us with a nuke I think the people of the US would give the government the ok to massacre at least millions in Iran. As for the draft after 9/11, from where I was I'm sure the vast majority of people would have accepted their drafts. Then again, Bush has already demolished all the unity brought by 9/11 and then some. TeHsU: A nuclear powerplant is a very nice excuse for a country sitting on the world's biggest oil supply, but let's be honest about the REAL intentions here. Any country that get's nuclear weapons is a bad thing. An extremist one at that is a tragedy waiting to happen. Palestine was already its own state? I believe it was controlled by the Ottoman Empire and then Britain and then Israel came to being. Well let's have an imaginary situation where wiping Israel out of the Middle East is not wiping it off the map. It's a nice situation isn't it? Ok now wake up to reality. The day we appease an extremist society that calls for the deaths of the infidels (me, my family, all my friends and extended aquantences) is the day that we are re!@#$%^&*ed pussies. "Hypocrysy is Democracy of America"...nice soundbyte. I got one. "Extremist Islam is Destruction of the World if we're too !@#$%^&* to fight back"...oops too long. I don't think you'll REALLY drop your religion for that. Iran will not make nuclear weapons because chances are we'd stop them before they finished them. If Iran made nuclear weapons then we could go "oops we were too re!@#$%^&*ed to see what was blatantly obvious" and then poof we're dead. The US is not innocent. No country is innocent. The US has made many mistakes, but that's not an excuse to Iran to do whatever they want. LOL at how many times extremists say "America is the terrorist". We are also the infidels and deserve to die right? We nuked Japan...which just goes to show no countries should have nukes. Iran making nukes solves this? I never said the war was cheap. I said the government wanted to fight the war on the cheap, but their blunders have ended that. Here's how we get rid of our government. We vote them out of office. Here's how you get rid of your government. You chop their heads off and praise God for blessing you the right to kill people and set up oppressive dictatorships. REMEMBER EXTREMISTS ARE NOT NORMAL EITHER AND NEITHER ARE CLERICS! The UN said no on the Iraq War so we control them? Are you re!@#$%^&*ed? The fact we went in shows that they don't have the power to enforce their decisions not that their decisions are always in line with our own agenda. Take the Germans land instead? What makes you think Arabs have more of a right to hold all the land they have than Germans? For one, the area you call Palestine was a small population emigrant region before Israel. On top of that Palestinian is not an ethnic group. It's a manufactured term. Saying it's an ethnic group losing their country sounds better for your cause, but the reality is that they're Arabs that got pushed off a small sliver of land compared to the Arab world because they decided along with Arab countries to try to wipe Israel off the map themselves and failed miserably. Tough luck. They've been pumping Iraq? What'd they do pump the Iraq oil into the gulf and now said LOOK THERE'S OIL HERE! I think you need to quit listening to Al Jazeera. And how dare you lump the Arab world and Iran together? They hate each other. They think of each other as the "infidels" like they do the rest of the world. What they share is religious extremism except in Iran's case they're trying to gain the ability to "kill the infidels".

Sever: Of course because we don't trust a country they don't get to make nukes. Cmon you think we're gonna allow people who call for our destruction every Friday after prayer to get the weapons that would allow them to do it? Are you insane? The UN doesn't just appease the US...that's a very ignorant statement like many of the statements you make. If China and Russia don't support sanctions you think it's because they think Iran has a right to and should have nuclear weapons? BULL!@#$%^&*ING!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*! They want Iran's considerable oil supply flowing into their developing economies. If we told them they could steal the oil if they invaded you'd see pretty fast the support they have for Iran's right to nuclear weapons. Tiq: We haven't even begun to tap into our true capabilities. We tried to occupy Iraq on the cheap and that's why there was a problem. If we had the motivation to reinstate a draft we could scramble a million much better trained soldiers into Iran and occupy them as long as we want. !@#$%^&* we could commit genocide pretty easily if we were as extremist as they are. Sever: If they could they WOULD m!@#$%^&* murder us. That's why our modern society has the power and their ignorant extremist society can't even get nukes. I know appeasement sounds nice and fair (unless it's the Jews then let's go wipe their country off the map because they're all a bunch of evil rich people right?), but COME ON! Letting them get nuclear weapons would be the most re!@#$%^&*ed thing we could do. Letting extremists who hate us get the means to destroy us is along the lines of France and England letting the Nazis take over. No rational person who looks into the issue more than superficially would want Israel wiped off the map nor would they think Iran as they are now should be allowed to develop nuclear weapons. You'll thank the vast majority of us who are rational when you're not dead from the radiation poisoning later.

We'd never disarm our nuclear weapons no matter what. It's not even a question that we need a nuclear weapons arsenal to make sure countries like Russia and China are always kept at bay. I don't know how you can be surprised why people hate America. People hate America because our leaders talk freedom and then support oppressive dictatorships and topple democracies in support of pro American dictators. Bush takes it to extremes and they've made way too many mistakes to be respected anymore. Our only ally there is the Kurds and watch us turn against them because we think Turkey is a more important ally. That's why people hate us and extremists like bin Laden capitalize on it. If you look into the history of our actions there are lots of countries that have reason to hate us.

I don't see any side that's totally right really. It just looks like extreme versus extreme versus Europe's !@#$%^&* politics.

Low end intellectuals can't start communism without a basis of poor masses. Turkey+Iran+Syria against Kurdistan would be bad. If they actually won that conflict then they can't be taken down. Kurdistan would probably have animosity from its neighbors after that. Then again there is a base of people who hate Israel for religious reasons. It would be much harder to hate an oppressed people. Then again if Kurdistan gets independence then they most likely would create a moderate democratic society that might reverse the worsening relationship between the West and the Middle East.

Is copy and pasting your response from a word do!@#$%^&*ent not allowed because I saved it in a word do!@#$%^&*ent another day because it wouldn't post and now it's still refusing to post unless I write everything out again.

Just because one extreme is wrong doesn't mean the other extreme is right either.

People go to communism as a result of extreme poverty with an elite class controlling everything. Democratic socialism is a great alternative now that we know about it and it's a much better alternative to totalitarian communism and its possible now. These countries were moving towards democracy before Stalin and returned to it after. The US isn't the sole modern democracy in the world. In fact, Western Europe has been a much bigger influence on Eastern Europe than the US has. There are lots of democracies today and more are on the way. Should we let dictators take over instead and no matter what they do play the "it's not our responsibility" card? Then when the people finally overthrow the dictator they'll hate us for letting it go on. The US is not heading towards a dictatorship and as you see now the moves away from democracy have backfired for Bush now. Individuals head countries away from democracy not the people (most of the time). The acception is certain religions which seem to steer people towards ignorance and oppression, but don't get me started about that. Democracy isn't easy to get, but just because it's not easy doesn't mean people should just go the easy way out of dictators.

Iran and Syria have no ability to destroy Israel for one as Israel trumped all its neighbors in 6 days and now they're leagues ahead of any country in the Middle East with the exception of maybe Turkey. This is the difference between the West and the Muslim World that I try to get people to understand. If a country held up to our standards like Israel commits a genocide we'd come down hard on them. If a Muslim country commits a genocide then the Muslim world would ignore it. Israel killed a few thousand Lebanese civilians and was condemned for it. Muslim countries do this like its chump change and there's no reaction. If Hezbollah had the ability to m!@#$%^&* murder the Jews of Israel the Muslim world would applaud them as heroes.

Hezbollah survived with a new style warfare. If Israel wanted to demolish Hezbollah with major force they could have. Sunni countries like Saudi Arabia oppose Hezbollah while Shiite countries like Iran and half Shiite Yemen and Syria which wants to dominate Lebanon. The Sunni controlled Arab League condemned BOTH Hezbollah and Israel. Looks like religious divisions to me.

I'd like to see proof of their comrades in Israeli prisons before the conflict. Women and children prisoners? Any proof? Israel attacked because Hezbollah has been pulling !@#$%^&* like this and nothing Israel did by peaceful means would stop them. The American media is biased, but that's not where I get my information so I'd like for people to stop saying I'm just listening to the biased American media. Hezbollah wasn't looking for open warfare. I'd hardly say they won. They survived which is a lot to see, but I fail to see it as a sudden unifying force to Islam. It's mostly a unifying force to Shiia Islam and Syria's quest for more control over Lebanon.

People want peace and democracy naturally. You don't just need to fight for it. Democracies are developing in Africa, it's not just one big anarchy and tyranny continent. The people want democracy, they're just controlled by people who don't. We can wait for all the horrible things to happen and then have some sort of peace and demcracy after centuries of millions upon millions of deaths and ethnic cleansing or we can do something about it. We've interfered and brought success stories. Look at Japan and South Korea. Look at many Latin American countries. We interfered with Eastern Europe and now they're developing democracies and advocating peace.

Finding evidence of thousands of Lebanese prisoners in Israel is very difficult.

1) 300 million Chinese immigrating to the US is COMPLETELY different. For one China has it's own state. On top of that China has no historical claims to own the US. Not only that, but the US and Palestine (before the Jewish influx) are COMPLETELY different. The US is a unique country in that it is composed of countless ethnic groups mixing into a unique American culture. Palestine was an Arab country of Arabs with the same religion, language, culture as Arabs around them. Palestine was a manufactured country by England and as such there's no reason why the term could not be altered. 2) Jews would not stay because they know promises of protection by Palestine don't mean diddly squat. That's the thing THERE AREN'T JEWISH POPULATIONS IN MIDDLE EASTERN COUNTRIES BECAUSE THEY WERE FORCED TO LEAVE BY THE ONCOMING ANTI-SEMITISM AND VIOLENCE. Luckily they had a free Israel to go to. Does that destroy your "Arabs wouldn't slaughter the Jews" argument? 3) Once again your hypothetical situation with China is completely different as I have shown. 4) Ok lets try to take away their hope and you're honestly naive enough to think that would do the trick. We'd have to seriously oppress them to the poind of genocides to get that done. Jews would start to develop themselves as quasi states within states and then Europe and the US would be forced to act. If you honestly think we can't go backwards then you really don't understand anything about society. Countries no matter how "enlightened" can do terrible things if they're forced to. 5) A sudden few million would do a !@#$%^&* of a lot to change things. You don't seem to understand economics either. You put the Jews into this racist stereotype of the rich greedy Jew and that they're all the same and then you act like it's like me moving to denver and then moving back to new york city. This is terrible logic. 6) Preservation of an ethnic group when it doesn't threaten the destruction of another ethnic group (unless Israel wipes out most of the Middle East and Northern Africa) is justified. 7) When they're already on the path to modernization it will get easier and easier not to fall apart and dependance on oil will die out along with the oil supply. Our interest will remain if they start to offer things other than oil. As of now they have a ticking time bomb and when the oil runs out they're gonna be the poorest countries in the world. Hezbollah is a part of the Lebanese government. If they aren't interested in helping Lebanon then they need to be taken out. Of course this isn't the reality, but you can't see this. Hezbollah isn't just an Iran/Syria group that moved to Lebanon and took over the Shiites. They are an organization by and for the Shiites in Lebanon and simply get aid from Syria and Iran. Then again if you're right it completely flys in the face of what masscarnage said and it only proves that Hezbollah is an evil puppet organization that needs to be wiped out. If you're wrong then Hezbollah needs to look into the interests of Lebanon and not just go attack Israel on a whim and not likewise attack other "oppressors" of Lebanon. Either way you're wrong.

Lives are significant and no one needs to go down the same road that Europe did, nor do they want to. Europe created the many of the problems in Africa so it's not just that it's going a natural course. It's NOT going a natural course. I'm sure if we left Africa alone then there would be justification that it's not our problem, but when we created the problem then it is our problem. The natural course was destroyed with Imperialism. That's why we need to help with the problems we created. We hardly do all the fighting for freedom and such. They do it and we should aide the side that fights for democracy and human rights. Yes I know there's no "absolute" of what is right, but doing nothing because of that will end up creating an "absolute" that an obliterated Earth is not positive for humanity's development. When Islam is used as a weapon against non Muslims (and non Arabs) it's not something deemed right.

They could have used peaceful resistance, but they didn't. There's no excuse.

I'm pretty sure it's less, but they won't do statistics based on religion in Lebanon. Also, the Hezbollah-Israeli conflict probably made more Christian Lebanese emigrate. They should have let Israel arm the Christians so they could shower rockets over Syrian cities. It's only fair.

I think it's down to 40% christian and continuing to fall. If Lebanon hates Syria then why does Hezbollah get its support from Syria and not take action against them the way they do Israel? Is this selective "justice"? I mean if they're "occupied lands" were occupied by Syria as they had been in the past then they wouldn't launch missiles into Syria or even have a problem (as they didn't the whole time Syria owned the Shebaa farms). Not only that, but I'm pretty sure if Israel has Lebanese prisoners then so does Syria AND they occupied more of Lebanon for longer time and even influenced their government. This isn't enough reason to have just as much or even more anymosity towards Syria???