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I think the lanc seems fine at the moment, it has changed very little from the oldmap version. One thing i really dislike is trying to get a shrapnel green for about.. ohhh HALF AN HOUR! Please make this item turn up more frequently in greens. Apart from that there's nothing seriously wrong with lancs. I couldn't say that for the spider, terrier, weasel and shark though.. those are seriously screwed and not even that fun to play. Think of a film like Van Helsing which is totally rubbish but is compensated for by stuff thats fun.. Thats the old sets. Now think of a film like Kill Bill 2 which is both rubbish and completely boring.. thats those 4 ships currently.

We'll find out.. ..on Friday mooooooooooo oooooooooooooooora!

This is my thread now! GG Penguins rock! omg

Oh! looks very nice cept maybe for being able to tube in north and score much easier. Otherwise: nice tiles and a clever reworking of base structure from the old map.

lets use em here then. it'll certainly be fun

A wise man once said 17th was going to die. That wise man was careful to leave out whether it'd be tomorrow, next week, in a years time or at the destruction of the human race.

I love fridays, and i love changes, and i love 17th parallel, and i love perni. p.s. i love this forum.

Is it possible to have warp points? ..some place on the map where if u fly over it you get teleported (warped) to another spot, maybe by a bot? That'd be a cool thing to use in 17th.

hehe nah, hockey is played on grass what north americans call hockey (and maybe scandinavians i don't know) is what most countries call ice hockey. Just like americans call football, soccer. And.. football in america is some game like rugby with alot of armour... And Baseball is alot like Rounders a game played in most schools in England at least. ...Dam your continent is funny with its sports heh. Skill North America rocks. woo !

Delic i agree completely with this and the old settings may do this to an extent. You must agree with me that you would only be here now if it wasn't for the jav. Even when the old settings were around without the jav and rumble we would have all left. We all got bored of pub with the old settings but never with rumble. The jav offers the most 'levels' of skill which is why we never get bored with it; we just keep improving in it. So i agree with you that what keeps people playing zones is being able to improve skills. What makes the jav different from the other ships is that its not a one-special ship, almost all of the other old ships had one characteristic that was unique to them and once you know how to use it you were good in that ship which meant massive leaps in skill. This wasn't the case in all ships i agree, but i'm just explaining why the jav kept us playing here more. You couldn't imagine a spider, weasel or terrier rumble really could you, it'd be easy because everyone would be bursting, repping etc based on what ship they were in. Each ship needs the kind of continuous learning curve that the jav has if people are to stay interested in 17th. Once we have this we can do multiship leagues based around pub. I'm not saying 8 javs, that would be boring and wrong, i'm talking about 7 other ships that have sufficient firepower in their guns and bombs so that they don't need to rely on one special to be useful. The leagues are doing badly because people aren't coming as often to the events. This is because most of our new population don't know what rumble/sbl are and most of our population who do have left because they're fed up with pub. The rumble bot helped with this and the site-section on rumble is really nice.. i just wish all the bits of it would work. That needs to be working properly then the winners each-reset should get their name in the zone news. Really though, please don't attempt another league until pub is sorted and more people are actually playing the event. SBL started with hardly nobody playing it and lots of people not knowing what it was. Any league now would be a major flop. Pub really needs to be sorted though in the next month if we are to take advantage of the summer crowds.

I don't know if the map is still up anywhere and i don't know if i have it because it would be on my old comp. i think you misunderstood my idea for pub maybe because i failed to desreibe it properly. My idea is for 4 bases NW,NE,SE,SW of center and one freq spawns between NW/NE and the other between the south bases. So they don't spawn in the bases just closer to one set than the other. I'm not talking massive bases either.. just strongholds maybe a little smaller than east/west are atm, each one different in structure so it doesn't get boring. Each base has 1 flag in so it is possible successfully defend and attack and its easy to see when you're winning.

The jav is the perfect example of a basic ship that requires a great amount of skill to be a master at. When ships are made for one purpose like suicide-bombing or bursting in a base there is only so much to learn about it. I admit there must be some variation in ships but not of the sort that was in the old sets. If every ship was able to defend itself in a head-to-head fight whilst each having one specialist item for use in bases that'd be so much more fun.

Delic most of your so called vets left pub before the settings were changed if you remember. We were all tired of the weasel and not being able to go anywhere inside bases without being wiped out by spiders or terriers. It was fun i agree but it didn't last because it didn't require much skill to master. Once you knew how to weasel bomb, or mine rep in the terr or cloak aand burst in the spider it didn't require anymore skills and became boring. Making the ships more equal won't reduce teamwork. There was less teamwork back then than there is now. If you make two spawn points and input some turf flags it'll rock as far as teamwork is concerned and we can get a real 17th war going on that requires skills to master and not specialist ship attributes that can be learnt/mastered in a week. you must understand this surely.

Well actually no.... I'm saying keep the jav. Also i'm saying take it back to north/south and back to flagging. On top of this i'm talking spawn points north and south for each freq so effectively it'll be even more like Nam where each side defends their half and launches attacks on the other. Add in some nice jungle/building graphics for the tiles and its even more like the name suggests. It'll be more of a 17th parallel than it was before without the awful ships that can't be used outside pub or fight eachother anywhere properly on equal terms. The old sets didn't work and were re-tried only to fail. Learn the mistakes of history or be doomed to repeat them someone once said..

we should never go back to the old sets again. it was tried once before anyway and made things worse. they were fun sometimes i admit but i wouldn't want them in pub, they belong in a subarena and thats where they can be found i believe... ?go oldmap of something like that. As for what to base it on. use turf flags but make the whole game centred more on the actual fighting between ships and the killing so that the flags are just an indication of who fights the best. Make each ship able to fight eachother in the open and then add a game.. leave it as soccer if you want but flags would work better.

Simply put: what we need is a league which the pub players will play as well as the veterans (who are important cos they actually make the squads and bring in players from dsb, swr etc.). This is done by making a pub league so that pubbers will take part as its familiar. However to get the vets to play and bring in people it needs to have ships that are not stupidly specialised for one purpose (like the lev and spider). Thats why a settings change is needed before any pub league can happen. I would also sugest removing soccer and basing 17th around something else as most vets have no respect for soccer in 17th and can go to better soccer zones with more established soccer leagues for that. So new ships, new game please.

I made those bases and hate them.. what does that say about it? North is totally pointless i agree. Lets try: 4 small bases, all different, all with one flag in. A spawn point for each freq halfway between 2 bases on 'their side'. Then lets watch a full-scale war take place. As for the ships, they f*cking blow the crap out from under the fridge and clog the fan till it bloody stops working. Start a scratch, build around the jav please. It IS important to have leagues where you can use all the ships. Its simply more enjoyable to have a choice of all the ships. We have the best league ship in all of subspace in the jav, lets add to it and develop our leagues. ALSO: The whole map is longer in the north/south direction which is confusing and wrong. The soccer bases ARE COMPLETELY BORING THE HECK OUT OF ME. Its not the nature of boredom or whatever.. DSB never got boring and neither did swr when they had good maps up. I came back after 3 months away at christmas and played 17th pub for a couple of hours before never coming back. It stinks. Get rid of it totally, get rid of soccer. The problem with newbie map-makers though is when they make a flagging map they put in about 30 flags and no-one is bothered to find em all and no-one can defend em either. I'll make one myself if i had the time.

I don't like it because it gets boring too quickly. The only point to the gameplay is soccer which is only fun when its being played (not alot of the time). When its not the killing takes over which in the current ships is only fun in the jav. But coming back to my first point it becomes boring very fast especially as the bases are easily learned and there is nothing else in the arena of interest. My ideas in order of importance would be: 1. Change the ships other than the jav to make them playable in leagues as well as pub like the jav is currently and always has been. Once this has been done. 2. Make pub larger and more open with 4 small bases each containing one flag. It might be fun then to make spawn points for the two frequencies so that one side is affectively owned more by a certain frequency. Soccer in 17th is annoying and easily beaten by other zones so should be removed. 3. Sit back and watch the population rise. ..Like China..

Which of the rules were stupid/confusing/difficult to understand? I ran two highly succesful seasons of jwl with rules almost no different to those. The first season i ran by myself, blitzing a keyboard with commands for an hour and a half, and calculating scores for 8X4 players within 10 minutes after the match. The rules worked fine. I can't control whether you use them correctly or know them well enough. Don't blame me for screw ups i have no control over.

Then apples must eat carrots, right?

mmhhm alot to grip onto

Aww well they've gotten some pleasure from it. notice how i said a 'practical' joke where did all the socks go?!!!?!

hi

It'd be so funny if cokey was actually telson or blue playing a long time practical joke. you pervs would be so gutted lol.