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Lets start a war! A nuclear war! At the Gay Bar... Gay Bar... Wooo!

Where would any of us be without useless sarcasm! Al-queda don't use sarcasm and look at what they resort too instead! Its time to start a revolution! For all of us, the time has come! End this petty violence! Lay down your arms and spread your legs!

Their super-fast metabolism resulting in turd-infested waters would be an effective method of propulsion thereby eliminating the need for jetpacks. A quite genius idea if I may say so. Suicide bomber-penguins would probably wipe out our two test subjects aswell....... unless we make a !@#$%^&*anium reinforced raft that can withstand the force of multiple underwater explosions. Actually wth, lets just make a raft where they can't reach over the sides to get fish, bloody !@#$%^&* people...

Nah in situations like these you need to abandon them on a raft in the middle of the pacific and see who eats the other first. The only problem is there are fish in the ocean and therefore they have an alternate source of nourishment. To succeed in this devious plan we must eliminate all the fish living in the pacific ocean. I suggest we create a race of super-penguins with underwater jetpacks and laser-guided har!@#$%^&* guns.

I haven't read all this horsecrap but its plain to see, even to me, that none of this would have gone down if it wasn't for Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata. Now i know you have your witty comebacks but tbh with you the guy died centuries ago! Get over it and start a fresh for gods sake. Buy a piano or better still buy a german WITH a piano, then come back here and have a proper discussion about classical music.

To the ends of the Earth! AND BEYOND!

Let me guess, you supported the war? I wonder how many of those terrorists had family members or friends killed by bombs or soldiers from the US and UK. Thats the motive. Its an eye for an eye for them and its the same for Bush and Blair. They'll never learn.

I don't trust news about Mugabe anymore.. in fact i don't trust any news about foreign countries because it always seems to be bi!@#$%^&*ed against countries Tony Blair doesn't like. For example in India the government has recently demolished many homes belonging to poor people. These homes were in close proximity to an airport. The reason for their demolision is this: They don't want these poor people making the country look bad when tourists come of the planes. This has been given near zero publicity, I only know about it because my Dad heard it once on a sky news broadcast. I didn't even own a TV last year and somehow still got sick of hearing how Mugabe = S!@#$%^&* because of this and that. Its going on everywhere, just Blair and others of similar thought don't like Mugabe. What would happen if Bush and Blair suddenly told us all that a weaker country was building powerful weapons that they intended to use against us and as a result invaded this country? Oh wait they did. What would happen if Mugabe did this and invaded Kenya or some place like that? We'd be all over his !@#$%^&*. Mugabe is sorting out his own country in the way that he sees fit too. Blair is spreading all this bullsh*t about Mugabe because he wants public opinion on his side if and when he decides to send troops there.

That can't be right because i live in the UK and feel the same way as Monte. Pretty much anyone in any country without guns will also tell you that they haven't been abused by the military or the government. If for some reason they did want to abuse you then having a gun isn't going to make a difference... it might get you killed or locked up but i can't see any positive differences.

Ah yes, the good old "Guns dont kill people, people do" To this i say: "People with guns kill people, people without guns find it alot harder"

The so-called voice of christianity: Christian Voice is a group led by Stephen Green. They gained notoriety when they circulated the home addresses and telephone numbers of senior BBC figures when the (Jerry Springer) musical was screened on BBC Two last month. Some people on the list received calls threatening them with bloodshed. Last week, a cancer charity turned down a £3,000 donation from the show after Christian Voice threatened to picket its clinics if it accepted “tainted” money from the show. Mr Green, 53, told The Times last night that his next target is abortion clinics. “The taking of innocent blood brings judgment on our land and cries to Heaven for vengeance,” he said. Mr Green is married, has four grown-up children and lives on a smallholding in Carmarthen, South Wales. He claims that Hindus are wicked and said: “We would like to reach out to Muslims and tell them they cannot find salvation in a dead Prophet.” Green: “With all the hate mail I have been getting, I am obviously rattling Satan’s cage.” John Cryer, the Labour MP for Hornchurch, is composing a written statement to the House calling for Charles Clarke to investigate Christian Voice. “They will be targeting women who are already in a vulnerable state, nervous and afraid with all sorts of problems, and making their lives even worse,” he said. In America clinics have been firebombed and since 1991 three doctors and four members of clinic staff have been murdered. Neal Horsley, the American anti-abortionist and Presbyterian minister, who posted photographs of murdered abortion doctors on the web with a red line through their faces, told The Times that he has links with groups in Britain, but refused to name them.

Christians with any sense should have a good long look at the people representing them and clean up their own ranks rather than trying to impose their beliefs on others. The Pope, Archbishops, Bishops etc should denounce these nuts as not representing the love-thy-neighbour image that good people believe in. Otherwise i'm going to assume that every Christian has this kind of hatred for people they've never met.

Some things are just very difficult to prove in a court of law.

I am interested in what people think about the possession of firearms and whether any human being (excluding armed forces and police) should be allowed to own one. From what i can tell from UN surveys firearm-homicides in the USA are at a rate that is 10 times higher that in similar industrialised countries such as the UK and Australia. In the USA it is legal to own a gun and in the UK it is not. Is the cause of the high amount of firearm-homicides in the USA the legality of firearms? In the UK the rate of firearm-homicides is going up despite stricter regulations. Are the stricter rules to blame or is this merely a sign of how society is progressing? What rules do you think there should be regarding the possession of firearms? Should these be the same for every country? I personally think that the USA should keep guns legal because it would cost so much money to confiscate everyones weapons and you can be sure that not all of them would be found, also its debatable if this will actually reduce gun crime. If i lived in the USA i would buy a gun for protection. In countries where guns are illegal i think they should stay illegal because there are too many people who would interpret a new rule that allows possession of guns within the home as saying that they can keep them in their belt and carry them around to point at people they don't like (yes people are stupid). Also there are too many teenagers who would steal their parents guns and take them too school, this can include bullies and people that are being bullied. So in summary i think that any change to general gun rules in the USA and the UK would be damaging. I also think that laws in the USA should be much stricter if you are found to be carrying a gun outside your home. I think the USA should be doing everything it can to ensure that people don't remove their guns from their homes. I don't know if its possible to tag a weapon and a house so that removal of the gun from the house (by maybe 20 metres) will set off an alarm at the police station. It would only require one tag in the gun and a reciever located at the centre of the house that indicates the police when the gun goes outside a certain radius. I feel however that to make an effective and hard to remove tag on a weapon would require the confiscation of all existing weapons and the redistribution of new ones which would be an expensive process.

yea bush sets a shining example

voted lib dem. although we lost guildford by 0.7% to the !@#$%^&*ed tories, how unlucky is that! there was only 350 votes in it. labour only got about 10% of the vote which was funny.

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Don't get me wrong, i'm not some extremist right winger, but the labour government is going overboard with helping people in need. Their main 'aim' appears to me making everyone in the country a 20k earner whether you deserve it or not. Right now i could start taking crack, leave me degree, and sit around doing nothing important at all and i'd probably get the government to give me good accomodation and a job that would earn me almost as much as someone who just finished a physics degree (incidently thats what i'm doing... forgive me.. i'm posting whilst drunk, sorry if you frown upon that). I don't hate labour, they just seem overly.... communist! Whether Blair was dishonest about Iraq really doesn't bother me, the UK made no difference at all anyway because Bush would have been all over Saddam no matter what they did. Blair was just trying to support Bush which makes him appear slightly "poodleish?" (for lack of a better word) but who cares. He's just failed to keep many of his promises. The main thing i think thats pissed off lots of people is that he intorduced so much beurocracy.. i've had to fill in so many forms ovfer the last couple of years that i could have have taken that time to p!@#$%^&* my degree years ago.. the guy is so !@#$%^&*-bent on using statistics to validate his policies that he's no longer bothered about what makes a difference. he's only bothered about what looks right when he bats off some attack from the tory party in the PM questions. I'm sorry but the UKip do really want to cut us off from everyone. they seem to be under the illusion that becomiing independent will make us a better country. It may do in the short term but this view is so self-centred i can't but help to be disgusted with it. i would rather we co-operated with other countries and found some common ground rather than being different out of some patriotic prejudiced view from people that would enjoy seeing the rest of europe fall into poverty. I value every human being as equal and jnust as important as any other person in the UK, these people do not, they are the sorts of people who are proud when the English Army goes to Iraq and kills a bunch of muslims... although thats generalising an awful lot it does really touch on the reality of Ukip. They are like the morally acceptable version of the BNP. Sorry, i shouldn't really post whilst drunk but i hope my grammar is acceptable.. geeze my housemate is throwing up in the toilet... hmm, ok well i'm not trying to insult anyone by what i've said, its just an honest view that probablyu generalises more than it ought too... ok i'll stfu now.

Even if you don't think the lib dems will win you guys should vote for them (unless you are under age in the last posters case). If you despise the tories and have lost faith in labour as much as i have then you need a new alternative and even if the lib dems don't win, your votes will turn them into one of the 'main' parties instead of just the third-place-wasted-vote party. If Lib Dems were as popular as the other two then we'd have a three party system which would be great because there would then be more pressure on the parties to get their policies right and give us more of a choice. Labour right now know they're gonna win because the tories are so well hated.

Um.. no, on just about everything you said. I don't have time to quote every sentence and tell you why, because its plain to see. If i get sufficiently bored over the next few days i will make a long post of it but i see this discussion as little more than an argument with a child who will say anything not to concede a point. But... Just so you don't think i'm getting all high and mighty heres a little taster According to you there was no difference a week ago or whenever you wrote that first sentence i've quoted. Coupled with the fact that i refered to you hating evil in my last post well before i quoted what someone might say if they hate nazis. The problem with this discussion, if you can call it that, is you will say anything not to concede a point even if its complete bollocks... I know this post doesn't contribute much either but i hope it brings a few things to your attention so we can carry on this discussion in a way where you don't contradict yourself in order to try and ridicule my responses to what YOU have already said.

Whatever Goerring's motives we are judging the truth of his claims from a position where we already having some knowledge on the matter. This is where your analogy falls down. We are not in total bewilderment like the man in your story. What he has said makes sense because it takes our own knowledge and experiences and draws a conclusion from them. It does not say something like "Theres buried treasure in an underground bunker in Berlin" because we would have no idea at all whether its true. As someone once said in a previous post, you are making something out of nothing. If you've talked to another human being before then you have the herd-instinct. Its in our nature and the way we develop requires us to mimic our parents and friends. You say you hate evil but hate achieves nothing, hate is the evil side of your morality, its your brain persuading you that in some cases its good to be bad. If a nazi shouted out in the middle of town that he thinks every jew should be gutted and burnt then i wouldn't hate him or her. The hate wouldn't get either of us anything. I would pity the nazi for having such a poor upbringing to warrant such beliefs, i would try to understand what made them think that way and i would try to protect anyone from coming to harm by their actions. Hate is a wasted emotion. I would say that hate and the product of that hate is apathy. Its the quick solution to a problem that doesn't completely solve it causing it to repeat over. Its like cutting a weed at the stem but not pulling out the root. Are you serious? Think about this for a minute please. If i looked at what nazis did i would say that they were very nationalistic, quite racist and a buncha murderers! But why? They weren't born evil. Reading a quote from someone with the common image of being evil and seeing truth in it allows us to question our own opinions of what is good and evil. It also allows us to see a little into their minds and how they came to justify their evil acts. By learning about the motives and reasonings of "the evil people" we learn how to stop the evil reoccuring. What we don't do is say "I hate all nazis, everything they say is lies, lets ignore it" because like hate that would get us nowhere.

Goerring probably thought we were evil and that the jews were all evil. Who is to say that what you think to be evil is correct? In all likelihood he probably was an evil person but thats not going to make me assume that everything he's said is wrong and not worthy of me reading. So what "he was a BIG nazi" the moment we stop listening to nazis is the moment we stop understanding them.. and when we fail to understand the reasoning behind what the nazis did we fail to learn the mistakes off history and are doomed to repeat them. Precisely, now i don't have to explain it. How does my second Nietzsche quote require the first? There is no known correct way of doing anything. You'd have to be God to know what is correct, what is good, and... what is evil.

I also know i'll never vote for the tories, they've messed up this country far too much. As for labour, they want to turn every adult into 20-25k per year earners in some sort of democratic communism.. everyone who earns alot of money gets tax-raped and everyone who is an unemployed crack addicted pros!@#$%^&*ute gets benefits up their !@#$%^&* enough to make them vomit 50 pound notes at the tattooists as they get 'Tony's My God' emblazoned on their left butt-cheek.. The lib dems will do anything for votes but who can blame them.. as long as they're somewhere between labour and the tories i'll be happy. (gets my vote) The Greens... well lets just say i have no idea what their policies are on education, the nhs, crime and the economy. So a no there. UKIP, no f***ing way. Any party that wants us to cut ourselves off from the rest of the world needs to rot in !@#$%^&*. BNP, aka Party for Racists. They've got to be represented just so we know how much of a problem we really have.

We try so hard to look like the innocent party by allying ourselves with the opposite of what appears to be wrong and evil. Afterall, without labels we don't know who to hate or how to express our hatred. Goering had the label nazi, therefore you hate him. If Goering was the pope then you might just read what he said and see great meaning in it. Your preconceptions of what is evil in this world shield you from a likely truth. "Morality is the herd-instinct in the individual." -Nietzsche People like to quote those who appear to be evil because its surprising when they say something that is good or profoundly true. Most of us like to question our opinions of what is good and evil, although i can see someone here has already set their beliefs in stone. "You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist." -Nietzsche

I don't watch TV either!! Wow this is like awesome, we being the same and all.. Although I do download some old rock concerts and films.. films like Scarface and the Godfather! Fking rules, Al Pacino was made for the screen.. and i download the odd crappy horror film i might have seen at far too young an age, oh memories! Ever seen The Blob? Its so funny now that whenever the guy gets pulled down the plughole i can't stop cracking up although when i was 6 i would be so terrified i'd have to leave the house and sit with my grandaddy.. aww.