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The odds sure are slim, as are the odds that a creator caused the plagues. The most likely explanation would have to be that the accounts (if any) were exagerated through years of story-telling, or it was a plain lie, or the Bible was doctored at a later date. Why isn't George's slaying of the dragon in the Bible? Maybe that one isn't old enough... Maybe God blew up and the universe is made up of all his little bits. That would give a cause and it would explain why God really is "all around us". Explain how the word "likely" comes into this sentence? It really does baffle me. um... no. The whole universe would just be a mess if this was the case. How do you think planets coalesce under gravity? The second law of thermodynamics (law of entropy) states that the entropy of a closed system must increase over time. This does not mean that certain parts of the closed system will not achieve a lower entropy whilst the overall entropy is increasing. Think of a baby in the womb, based on what you've said the baby would not form and every part of it would remain as dilute as possible. The entropy does increase in this situation but it increases by the production of waste materials. Planets coalesce under gravity but give out huge amounts of energy, increasing the entropy. I'm guessing you got your explanation of the law of entropy from a Bible site? Maybe you'll see now how they're only out to mislead you. Did you really think all those scientists who presented the theory didn't think about the entropy? -(something they would have had hammered into them at university) If this is your only evidence for having 99.9999% certainty in a creation of some sort then think again and re-evaluate your reasons. I don't support the primordial soup theory, there is no direct evidence for it. The only evidence we have is evolution and if we imagine continuing back in the chain we get to the most basic of organisms. That is the only evidence we have, if we can even call it that. The evidence for God existing and God creating us is zero.

I didn't quite mean that. I meant that Christians/Catholics believe the Bible to be written by people who were inspired by God, thereby eliminating it's potential for major faults. For this there is no proof, for all we know much of the Bible was written by somebody who was high on opium or a maniac with delusions of divine influence. So i'm trying to say that the Bible, even if perfectly correct in it's historical recollections, isn't evidence for a creator. We can varify it as a historical do!@#$%^&*ent if we found evidence that the Earth formed in 6 days but the evidence for a creator doing this is still 50/50 because there is absolutely nothing to link a creator to this act. It's still looking at something completely unknown to us and saying "God did it". Anyway we can't prove much of the Bible. The evidence for evolution far outweighs the evidence for everything else. Also lets be clear that science does not work to find absolute certainty because that does not exist. It works through probabilities and the probability of evolution being correct is higher than for a creator (which is, and likely always will be 50/50 because there is no evidence either way other than a lack of evidence for a natural explanation to the universes creation). From my experience every unknown question is answered with the words "God did it" right up until we find the real explanation.

Thankyou Mars and Monte, I think most of the people Saddam g!@#$%^&*ed were different ethnic groups who he never considered to be his own people.

yea bran speaks from experience here. i've seen sbl fail on a couple of occasions due to lack of interest. unless you think you'll get at least 8 squads then there's no point. 2v2 league is a really good idea for a league if you get the rules right (i.e. make sure its not squad based so that the large squads can put in multiple teams).

Another case of desperate interpretation for the purposes of justifying faith. In fact scientists have shown the Earth was spinning much quicker in the past and a day would have been shorter. So if you really want to make the Bible and science agree then postulate a day to be something like 14 hours rather than 100000 years. Just for your interest, as a result the moon is moving farther away from the Earth and this can be measured using lasers. There are countless examples now where the Bible is interpreted to be something well beyond the literal meaning. This no longer makes the Bible proof of God, it makes God proof of the Bible and you can start drawing little circular arguments between the two. There is evidence that can be formulated to agree with certain aspects of the Bible. There is no "proof". There is no proof for a creator because there is no proof the Bible was written by God. The problem with the evidence for the Bible is there's usually much more valid evidence for another cause that is ignored by creationists. Or if it was taught in classes you'd spend 50 minutes talking about the massive amount of evidence for evolution and then right at the end you'd say "or maybe God magicked it right". We could also say God created science if we want. Exactly, think ice-ages.

Ok fine, take the Indians as an example then.

Yes it is brutal. That's because the baby is still an extension of the mother. But anyway, you said "late-term". I think that when the baby becomes aware of it's existence and has a brain large enough to allow it's survival when separated from the mother then it becomes a single life carried by another single life and abortion is equivalent to murder. The problem is when defining life.... and it's probably been discussed alot already. Defining an unaware fetus as life (based on it's potential for life) is no different than defining a protein molecule in a testube. Both have the potential for life but both ar at different points in the chain. You could define an atom of carbon as life by the reasoning of potential life. Therefore you have to define life as something that is aware of it's existence. I personally believe that most anti-abortion people are of that frame of mind because they believe in the sacredness of human-life above all other forms of life. This opinion generally comes with a particular religion that is full of inconsistences and desperate interpretations.

Oh yes, post editted. ...Sometimes i type things the way i say them, which tends to be quickly.

I almost laughed when i read that. I'm not anti-war in general but i'm anti-iraq-war. Would america have liked it if a more civilised country had stormed in during the 50's to eliminate racism? Let people solve their own problems. Believe me, you do more to !@#$%^&* up the world by imposing your opinions of right and wrong on others than you do by doing nothing at all. Lets be clear, i have a huge amount of respect for the soldiers putting their lives on the line in Iraq. I don't think there are many anti-war people who would call the soldiers murderers and gun-ho-yanks. I think alot of pro-war people say this in a futile attempt to demean the opinions of all the anti-war people at once. You might have heard one anti-war person say this but i haven't and the respect for the troops far outweighs the respect for the politicians.

Its because the woman being murdered intends to have the child she is carrying. So being killed is effectively taking two lives. When a woman has an abortion she doesn't intend to have the child and so the child has no potential for life. Consider this example - A doctor carries out an abortion on a woman without her permission. Should this be considered murder or mutilation? I would call it murder because the mother has not chosen to have her child aborted. We have to remember in these things that while the child is in the mothers womb it is a part of the mother . They share the same blood and the same nutrients, the child is effectively an extension of the mother (like a tumor would be) and its fate must lie with the decision of the woman. The mother should always decide whether the child has a potential life or not and after that point any intervention resulting in death of the fetus is murder.

There should be more of a proportional representation but then the Tories might win!

I don't Yawp nearly enough since a dog ate my tongue. This forum is all i have... But its nearly Christmas! So yaya!

SNOo's just fighting the powah. Stay black bro. Kick those gonad slurping ASSS in their own gonads and watch them bite down hard on some poor ASSS !@#$%^&*. Flaming, if you answered Yes you are the third king of normandy with a passion for miniature golf and a brazilian pornstar who polishes your !@#$%^&*-atoo that occupies the barnyard behind your dungeon of despair where only the tortured souls of lost faiths reside to live again another day having being converted to the sound of harpsichords playing Golden Brown by The Stranglers. If you answered No, then you're gay.

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That's exactly it. Therefore how can anyone judge whether the consequences of gay adoption would produce a child "dysfunctional" in some social or moral way. Having said that it is very likely that the child would get picked on in school if another child found out... and even if this didn't happen the child may start to feel embar!@#$%^&*ed or abnormal due to comments made by other children non-related to his/her specific situation. Feeling abnormal isn't always a bad thing if you can handle it though. I agree that adoption by gay parents should be allowed when there are no available hetero-parents. Extreme liberals may even call this very "gay-bashing" of me, but we live in a predatory world and discrimination is rife. If society was perfect then sexual orientation wouldn't be an issue in adoption.

*flamingstarch gets humped by a rampant wildebeast and then eaten by a dinosaur*

If by distorted you didn't mean becoming gay then what did you mean? You mention in your post they'd be "morally and socially confused" please elaborate. How on Earth would their morals be affected? Socially they'd be free from judging same-sex couples in a negative fashion (i.e more open minded) but what are the negative effects.

But Tex Rex was too masculine a name, so Tex renamed the dino...

Who cares if people become gay or not, if anything it'll curb the growing population on this planet... and maybe then we'll all become chinese or indian. So whatever happens i don't give a crap, i'm just glad i like curry.

So Tex amputated a horse's penis...

*puts on bunny suit* *paints self yellow with red spots* *rolls up in a little ball* *launches at Tex for using the word carbuncle four times in one post* *destroys Tex in a flaming attack of spasmodic japanese lightning* *makes sweet bunny love with pikachu*

And Tex gave him a twirl

spiky haired anime goons sucketh teh ghey. *grabs a penis enlargement device and enlarges penis to 3 feet* *bludgeons everyone unconscious with semi-erect penis* *blows own trumpet to the sound of dripping saliva* *dies choking on own !@#$%^&** *becomes a ghost and possesses Hece's body* *is overloaded by pornographic images of horse-!@#$%^&*s* *dies as a ghost* *becomes god* *goes back in time to create the human race* -EDIT- Why have i now got "Warn: (0%)" followed by 5 lil blue boxes next to my name?

What were you thinking about then? I'm not a goth-type anymore if you've seen my horrendous photos and are thinking that. Image means nothing anyway.... it just allows you to root-out the people who do think it means something. I'm still the same person now except i don't feel a need (or the effort) to grow my hair long, dye it black and dress like death anymore . I'm a perfectly normal, although a bit scary, guy on the outside. Anyway this has gone off-topic.

I just live in a world of moral relativism where dark and light are pretty much the same thing. My scorn for Christianity doesn't mean i am of the dark-side when Christianity is no more the light to me than a serial killing psycho. Christianity is worse actually. Satanism would be considered dark in comparison but why would anyone be drawn to the dark unless they actually saw it as the light. I just love Darth-Vaders costume and would rather see outrage, shock and an unpredictable course of events as opposed to the prescribed happy endings we see to help reaffirm our deluded morals. P.S. Don't try and tell me i can't play shark!