Lynx

I'm not basing that system working on my line of judgment, but that there are a lot of professionals who are within the system on a term basis who continually review whether assisted suicide should be, or should not be allowed. Hence why there are changes of decision every so often on protocol and rules. If the professional judgment changes to suit your opinion, I'll stand by my opinion that the system works - just because it doesn't suit your opinion, however, doesn't mean that it does not work. Also, on the gun factor - it's actually very hard to get a gun here in the UK, although it is easier to hang yourself you have to be pretty damn sure that you're going to do it while you make the noose, put it around your neck and kick the chair, and even then not try to escape from the knot. Also, as your statistics say 8-25 of every single suicide attempt doesn't go through, although it doesn't say whether that was due to failure or people backing out, however I've heard on a BBC survey not too long ago that the majority of all suicide cases, the person backs out, and in a very large amount of suicide cases the person has tried to back out and failed. -L

Firstly, I'm not saying it was your quote, I'm just showing you the pointlessness in bolding something that I've already read as to telegraph that I never understood it, or miscomprehended it. Thankfully I don't really need you to hit points into my head with a bold-head hammer, anyway... If you consider assisted suicide to be a 'perfectly normal way to go' then you've got a weird way of thinking about a normal death, and if it ever did get to the point where assisted suicide did become a perfectly normal way of death, then it would soon be readily available to those who don't have terminal diseases or whatever other ... problem. Also, if you agree with nb because of his extremist points of people being hung from ceilings, splattered all over walls and pouring from their wrists, then that's cool but maybe in reality it's not quite like that. Statistics show that people are more concerned about their dignity after death, and those who do come close to jumping off a bridge usually have a 'let me rethink this' factor. And as to your mothers job role, then that's a pretty significant change in story. If somebody asks me where they can go for an abortion, I don't direct them to McDonalds, I direct them to an abortion clinic. I think that's a pretty different thing than pulling the trigger yourself. Same goes if somebody asks me where they can have assistance in their suicide, I'll tell them Switzerland, because I personally don't give a flying fuck whether they kill themselves, because I'm not here to be a saint or dictate to people how to live their lives. However, I think that people who have a thorough understanding of how people think in times of despair and trauma, as well as an in depth understanding of medicine and progress should dictate strict rules as to whether doctors should be allowed to assist in a suicide. Now, as far as I know that's how the system currently works, and as I've already stated obviously works. Also, people aren't expected to do their jobs, despite of religious bias, but jobs should be understanding of a multicultural societies religious backgrounds. If your doctor refused you treatment because of his religious views, on what circumstances would this ever happen? So for example, if you requested to be doped up so much to never wake up, he'd refuse you because you'd be basically killing yourself, a job in which he's not there for. The same goes if you were demanding treatments that would effectively diminish your health. And as for the outdated Hippocratic oath snipe, NBV already mentioned that, and the most current one is not more than ~50 years old. -L

Lol.. Bak... Fucker... If they induce childbirth, do surgery, whatever... Also, chances are they'll probably have kids sooner or later, and will probably be just as dumb and just as likely to claim welfare. -L

Looks fucking epic.

Firstly, your mother should reconsider her line of work if she clearly doesn't like a major factor of her job. You seem to word it as if she turned up to work one day, knowing nothing about abortions, to turning on the hover and sucking babies out of bellies. Sorry, but I'm a skeptic to your story, and I'm a skeptic to how much your mother believes that abortion is wrong, and I'm a skeptic to how you're reading my posts. Abortions, I believe are sometimes a sheer necessity. If somebodies life is dramatically endangered by a child, or the child's life is dramatically endangered by the carrier, then abortion should be carried out to try and preserve either life as best as possible. For example, if a mother is in a car crash, and has a 10% chance of living, but the babies life could still be saved by abortion, then I'm all for abortion. Same goes for if the baby is theoretically killing the mother, and there is nothing anybody can do but kill the baby to save the mothers life. However, when it comes to naive kids having sex without condoms and then demanding abortions, I say fuck that, and fuck them. Secondly, if I were afraid of flying, I wouldn't get a job as an airline pilot. Also, your very over simplified view of what a doctors job is kinda makes me giggle. If this whole case was as black and white as you just suggested, I'm sure that we wouldn't be having this debate, and if a doctors job were to just be saving lives and easing pain, I'm near certain that assisted suicide should never be an option. Easing pain, near by definition would be to keep the person alive. Assisted suicide terminates the life, and therefore is neither saving a life or easing the pain. -L ps. thanks for the bolding of nb's reply, I would have never even read that if it weren't for you to parade it in front of me as if it were yours.

I've seen that one happen where the dude is trying to pay but can't reach the meter, and then their foot slips off the clutch... Usually though, people just hit barrier, not the barrier box. -L

Sounds like that family will get their arses handed to them in court. -L

Come again?

that is probably one of the dumbest things i've ever heard. unless you're stuck up and rich. but even then it's dumb. That's why I didn't say it... ... HISS -L

Besides, a zone is never 'finished' so you could have just done the news.txt and it'd still have been a zone. Good job anyway... I dunno why I said that, but I feel like handing out stickers of good jobbyness today. So Good Job, and have a pat on the back too. -L

Won't look as stupid as all the people walking into their dresser tables and walls. It's called candles... But no offense, if you turn off your lights and don't prepare yourself whatsoever that you walk right into everything then you honestly deserve it. Okay, so shall I give my six year old child a candle to play with while he walks over my 3" deep carpets? Or maybe I should go around moving everything and taping foam to sharp edges just in case, for that extra extremism that you're trying to telegraph. I live in a sub-urban house, and if I turn all my lights off... Guess who will notice... The woman who lives across the street, add the fact she's like 90 and I think bed bound, that makes nobody. Things like earth-day are retarded, they raise awareness... To what? The fact that we all use electricity? No fucking shit, I never realised that... We use *SO much of it, to make the dark light... What a waste! Also, now I think about it - I remember when a 'big' episode of Eastenders (That's a (lame, retarded, fucked up, gay, deluded) soap they show on TV here), some million or so people all got up on the ad-break to put their kettle on at the same time. Apparently the surge was so huge it caused sufficient damage to one of the power plants. Now, if however million (probably thousand... Because in England there's not many hippies) all put their lights on at 9:30pm, I'm sure it's just going to be more money down zee drain in repairs. Loose example, but... Hippies are retarded. Now, I'm going to drive my hummer 40MPH in gear one to work, which is 60 miles away. -L

Won't look as stupid as all the people walking into their dresser tables and walls.

Lol. Like near all Subspace projects.

Hippies. I'm going to turn on all my lights, computers, electric showers, shavers... Audry's dresser table friend. EVERYTHING. -L

Audry, he can grow to whatever size he wants and he can be however many people at once... Seriously, watch the movie. Sounds like he beats your friend that goes hrmmmm and sits in the bedroom dresser that guzzles diesel.

It turned me on so much, especially in that part where he done the helicopter and slapped it in Lauries face. SHABANG HIYOOO -L

I watched it earlier with the missus and it was great, a definite must see. -L

50" 1080p LCD, and sure.

lol, I remember I was at a cinema and I sat and watched the whole movie quietly.

Yeah man, no sweat.

I don't have any friends to watch movies with, but I like to try and make friends by telling people what is about to happen in their movies. I'm seriously cool like that. Seriously.

If you're chronically depressed, of course your mental capacity to make a decision is going to be clouded. Thousands of people have a bad point in their life where they consider suicide, however they do not actually go all the way - and those who are clinically depressed will look at suicide as a viable option to end their depression, while others won't. That alone shows that their mental capacity is going to be swayed. If you've lost your house, car and wife due to an accident, well, that's terrible however it's not a reason to die. It's likely that their life will never be the same, and they will need counseling and whatever else to try and overcome the trauma of such bad things, but suicide in this particular case most defiantly doesn't deserve a pat on the back. And here's my point of where to draw the line between what's right and wrong in assisted suicide? It may be very wrong now for assisted suicide as a whole, however, in a year from now assisted suicide for those with less than six months left to live may be allowed, then two years from then assisted suicide for those with pain issues may be allowed with less scruitinisation, to four years from now you have euthanasia clinics like those you have in Zurich, Switzerland. Also, if I came home to my fiances brains splattered all over the walls, with her wrists slit hanging from the ceiling, I'd firstly be baffled at how she done it, but secondly be disheartened that my fiance would be so selfish take her life in such a disgusting manner because she's too weak to face the music. Also, on the involuntary euthanasia - what about those who are constantly suffering pain factor 10, yet can't talk or telegraph that they would like or not like euthanasia? Wouldn't it come to the next of kin making a decision, and what if that decision isn't really what the patient wanted and there were then medical advances to reverse the said condition... I have a very close friend who had cancer when he was 16, and I personally talked him out of suicide - and he beat the cancer then when we were 18, he got diagnosed with it again however in just under two years is now clear of cancer again. Within this time, there have been plenty of ups, and a lot more downs yet he has thanked me on many occasions for the time I talked to him when we were 16... He's faced a lot of pain, and overcome it. Although his condition never was inoperable, it's not a pleasant way to live yet he still fought through it. If I hadn't been there though, would he still be here now? I doubt it... Also, there are constant medical advances - such as those for inoperable lung cancer - I think it's called RFA which can add another two years to life expectancy. I'd rather live my life and treasure every day I have more than fall into pity and take the easy option in a euphoric death - however, that's my opinion... as I stated, and if it were my friends in a bad position, I'd try to talk them the same opinions I hold to prevent them from taking the easy way out. If that makes me selfish, then so be it - but that's my moral standpoint. -L

It's out tomorrow (3/6/9), who's watching it? -L

sure dude