I thought the conversation turned saying that server owners, zone sysops and dev ops could vote on council members or have SOME input in the future the game takes. server owners: SSC Server Owners (and if there is a server owner that abuses etc then they shouldn't be on SSC) zone sysops: Zone Owners on SSC with max population over 70 dev ops: real dev ops like d1st0rt, maverick, cerium, admiral kirk, catid, 50%, ppl who make cores not just plugins. I know their are a few more players that dev cores or help maintain cores but I can't name them all. What i'm saying is joethenewb who makes plugins for SSC The Newbies with a max population of 30 doesn't need a say in the future of this game. By following these guidelines that would ensure every swinging !@#$%^&* isn't on the council but it does get "new blood" involved. i'm sure some of you will disagree with me and more than likley post a poorly thought out flame attempt, but I really don't care