I find myself agreeing with Aileron on some points here, which is kind of scary. Now as I've stated before long ago, it is a family hatred of the bush family in my case. My grandfather's family grew up living near the Bush family, and watched what they did to the people around them, and the town itself. So I always grew up hearing how bad that family was. But putting that aside. I'd honestly say some parts of Bush's cabinet have done the best that they could under the cir!@#$%^&*stances. Others, are just not holding up, and yet continue to be allowed to not hold up. To this day, I can not say I have ever heard nor seen a true solid plan for us finally getting out of Iraq. Rumsfield (sp?) just can't seem to ever give a straight answer, and their last timeline seems to have fallen apart. Iraq is considered by many on the brink of chaos, and we keep our men over there going through !@#$%^&*. Yes, some are there by choice, and want to be. Others think what we are doing are wrong, but feel it is their duty to serve their country. I mean, how can you fight full heartedly if you feel what is going on is endless, and is not the right solution. The only solution with that area, is to let it be. It has been war struck land for as long as history writes, and will continue to be so for years to come. I don't see why this administration thinks it is going to do something noone has ever been able to do, and settle everything. Yes, someone has to try, but it's going to take far too many years if we do it alone as we really have been now. I agree we can't just say !@#$%^&* it, and pull out, we've made too big of a mess to do that now. But we need to try to work with other countries more and try to get more support in that area. Until man steps above religion, there is no way to make permanent peace in the middle east. We may accomplish getting Iraq settled, but there is going to always be conflicts in the country, and between other countries around it. So we're now permanently involved, and have made Iraq our little step child who we have to take care of to keep the rest of the world happy, and them safe.