He was in control in 1997? I guess he just had a good run of not screwing things up, then. 10 yrs? That doesn't sound remotely correct. Pretty sure I remember (and I have a good memory) playing Chaos less than 10 years ago and it not being so changed. The only people I've seen in Chaos in recent visits that are interested in putting any time into it are old timers, people who prefer the classic settings, leaguers — but they find these sets only in subarenas. See preceding. I think you underestimate the satisfaction people get out of having to work for something, and the motivation someone can get knowing there will be a fully greened person to kill soon, or an ungreened person to neg immediately. Eh, well that's what the original zone descriptions said, but Chaos always had plenty of newbies. I think I spent all of 30 minutes in Alpha before going to Chaos, and it wasn't because I was amazingly good after that much time. Seems worth a try, but I think you'd want it to be a matter of excluding people with certain stats (without booting them instantly when they reach them ), and not forcibly excluding newbs from being cannon fodder in other zones should they elect to be. In sports maybe, but I don't see this applying to SubSpace or Chaos. Are we talking about the same game, the same zone? A game where EG and TW exist? A zone where chirp flew a lancaster back and forth in a tube all day long holding down the TAB button? Where people vulched negs constantly? Mine rep? Port & burst? I'd love to know what game chock full of honorable players that only enjoy themselves in fair fights you've been playing. I'm no negger, but I have plenty of fun killing newbs and fighting players closer to my own ability and beyond it. I don't play Chaos because it's not the Chaos I know. Others don't play it because it's empty. If the sets were right, I'd play it, and it wouldn't be empty. ;p Like I said, you can satisfy old players or you can satisfy new ones, but you can't have both, not without calling the zone something else.