i had very long responses to most of what you said, but i decided its not worth my time to respond to you, considering your history and your treatment of past hsysops. so ive cut it down to the basics. ive never once said 17th didnt have potential. ive said 17th doesnt have the potential that it used to. its not going to regain it because of the BS surrounding the zone and certain players that still play here. You are twisting my words. ive never once forbidded any event. 2v2Bot is not up because spawn bot is not up. i cant do anything about spawn bot because i am not nurples. i have been running my bot in 2v2, and no one plays. 17ths main problem was its focus on jav-only events. i never once specified one event. 2v2 just happened to be the popular jav event AT THE TIME the zone was struggling most. Jav-only events dont include everyone. there isnt near the number of jav players remaining in the zone that there were 3 years ago. im not going to pull a vile on everyone and ban jav events. i would to make the other events that include other ships more popular. i want you to remember one thing delic. the hsysops before me that you commonly bash for creating a gameplay when they "didn't even play the game" "by randomly changing ship settings" are unlike me. ive played this game and zone for over 5 years. anyone that knows who i am knows that up until i took this hsysop position, i was a regular player in pub and multiple events. know ur facts, not just ur opinions, before you make judgments thanks, friend... im only an !@#$%^&* to those who are an !@#$%^&* to me, so i return the favor. when i say this, i mean players like delic, maynard, akida, floo, etc. I think they are just still full of hate for vile that they sometimes forget that vile isnt in charge anymore. (and delic, before you respond to that saying something like "you are doing all the things vile did, you might as well be vile, please remind yourself of what i said above.) and btw delic, 17th has tried many variations of turf maps, they dont work. why should i have any faith in ur turf idea? just cuz ur delic? that dont mean much to me.