if this were the case, the point of moving 17th to KI would not be to move 17th to KI.. just its players. perhaps pub would be used as a subarena or something, but the events would never fit with KI theme (mostly because most 17th events are single-ship, whereas KI is stressing to be entirely multi-ship). in any case, once MERC is up and running, nex will leave 17th. then you are left with kyla and cord. personally, i like cord and i think he could really have helped the zone but he was held back.. anyone who knows the story knows what im talking about. but its long since been "too little, too late" for 17th. theres not even one person u can point blame at for whats happened to 17th over the years. some say mike didnt do anything. others say vile fked everything up. a few might even say lyta may have begun the slow downfall. theres a lot of things that 17th has endured in the past, and at the time it seemed like 17th survived and came out unscathed, but underneath, it hadnt. the zone rarely exceeds 10 population, and when it does, realize that some are/were bots. others were black coyote, delic, and/or maynard who never seem to leave. but back to KI.. since this is the KI forum. you ppl really should give KI a chance. its not some thrown together, quickie job or anything. ive personally been working hard on the zone for the past 3+ weeks. there are events, but they are closed for the time being until there is some population to support them. we need players, and no ones even giving the zone a chance. now, i will say the ships are very similar, and i wasnt a big fan of them when i was first introduced to them. but ive played them when there has been a lot of ppl and it gets pretty fun. each ship does have its pluses, so they arent exactly the same. anyway, just come give a try will ya? unless ur on 56k, its hardly a download at all. sry 56k'ers.. but by now u should be used to long waits.. i had dialup for years.