It would help if you guys actually played once in a while. I've gone into pub countless times when there is 3 pop, waited for a few minutes but no one comes. In my opinion, right now 17th too complicated, I'd recommend removing the base in the center of the map in order to dumb things down. We should keep the left right bases for the ball game, and until a significant amount of people start playing again (to give feedback) we shouldn't test out new features. Lastly, I think that the ship sets should be set back to the old ones, if they aren't already (old terrier please). There is a learning curve for these settings but I think that this isn't the problem, since a lot of people still play dsb (me included). From my experience, although I uninstalled continuum recently, other zones I have played at like hyperspace and dsb were interesting because of the competitiveness. In dsb, all I like(d) doing is praccing, and in hyperspace I was addicted to flagging. In 17th I was attracted by the ship sets (the mini weasel was awesome and should definitely be brought back), rumble was huge and the ball game was ok. I never thought anything was wrong with 17th, in fact I don't even know why it died. One thing that would help if you guys actually played once in a while. I've gone into pub countless times when there is 3 pop, waited for a few minutes but no one comes. So the jist of my message is to revert back to the old ship settings, simplify the center area of the map, and we might get some people to play. The underlying problem is that continuum, not 17th, is dieing with all the other new games coming out, even if it still kicks ass fun-wise.