I agree that something radical needs to be done. I've always stressed trying to shrink the map, the number of bases, and condense the gameplay in order to make things more exciting. I have also stressed getting statistics set up, and getting new things going in pub (and not just having subarenas). The biggest problem are the hard-core people that I rely on (tm_master and SOS). Realistically, without them the zone is nothing, however with them making these changes is impossible. Now tm_master has done a lot for this zone, he has kept it going and has done a better job keeping players then I ever could, but keeping this style of gameplay doesn't work. Here are my 10 suggestions: 1. Smaller arena - maintain the closeness - and possibly just have much smaller single area bases within close proximity to the center area where you are basically flagging and just killing 2. KOTH in public - gets you bonus points 3. Shrink Jackpot sizes such that they match point levels retrieved from killing 4. No Flag Neuting - basically since the map is super small and there are no longer large bases the flag carrier has to try to last with their team to get the points 5. Get SOS to make bot that can keep track of scores and upload them to website (He doesn't want to) 6. Reduce the number of flags to less than 10 (i'm thinking 5) 7. Give a bonus to flag carriers (more speed, more power, level 4 bombs/bullets - I dont know what setting would work best). 8. Go back to the tileset I had before SOS changed the maps back 9. Give special awards/prizes (like extra credits) to top 5 players in score 10. Start playing even when tm isn't around. Basically, this combines everything good in deva and really adds to the compe!@#$%^&*iveness that you can get high scores by not winning flag games all the time. Heres the problem: I don;t have time to do something like that, i'm always too busy. So, if you like this idea (*Cough* JDS *cough*) make a subarena with map, settings, etc, and lets get something going - and get TM impressed with the idea by having all of us in this topic actually come to the zone all at the same time during normal hours to get more people interested!!!!!