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indeed, a nation where all people have equil oppertunities, seems fair to me. Problem is human nature, people wish to become better then others pulls things down which is why "true communism" doesnt exist but nations like china seems to be doing ok at the moment.

The not just listining and doing its own thing is the issue that troubles me most. What if iraq is only a single instance? what if america goes off and begins another war without UN following? The whole point of the UN is that world nations can solve problems without resorting to forse unless its absolutly neccacary. The main idea of it is to stop WWIII ever happening. If america goes on without the UN what is the point? If the USA thinks its above the rest of the world and the UN is wrong then we are in trouble as oither nations may feel they are wasting thier time and the UN will eventually break down. You all have to agree that that would bot be a favorable situation. This is an interesting read concerning the league of nations (the UNs predessor) which broke down and soon after WWII began. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_Nations

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My point of negotiation was refering to now. In the 1st gulf war saddam was clearly in the wrong and thus removal was justified. This time round negotiation would have worked better seeing as no direct threat was being posed to anyone. Alot can change in 15years, what was right then may not be now.

so surely you can hear things that the news reports like innocent iraquis being caught in the crossfire and deaths on the other side.

exactly, the action of the US takjing forseful action was prmature and lacking in motive. Secondly give me a disadvantage of making a classless sociaty that outweighs the previous situation.

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S!@#$%^&* let me ask you a question. Do you believe evrything you hear on the news channel about whats going on in irak and about terror?

My neo conservatibe point seems to have been misunderstood, im afraid i cant quote the name of the do!@#$%^&*entary i am soursing infomation from byt the jist of it is as followes. In an attempt to unify the american people by giving the nation a world purpose the neo-conservatives aided in the fabrication of the threat posed by russia to the US. This fabricated information later lead to the cold war being started and history unfolding. The view of the neo-conservative movemt (as it was stated) is that america needs a common purpose to prevent its people regressive back to primitaive beings, this purpose is to spread democrocy across the globe and allow everyone to live in peace. The means to achieve this did not have to be based upon fact, as long as everone believed what was going on to be true their unified support will be with their nation. This may prehaps be exadurated slightly (after all this do!@#$%^&*entary was rather anti-america) but issues of incorect information do exist. Where are the WMDs? and so you may want to steap back and see what else the government has lied to you about. I know america was and always will be a democrocy, that doesnt mean its government cannot be influenced by other small and influential groups of people. I dont say removal of saddam is a bad thing, my argument is with the way the US had gone about things. Forstly you might want to add the anti america factor there, it does have some contribution to the violance. Its my personal opinion that the removal of saddam should have been done with UN backing, it may have taken longer but the UNs resorces are extencive. War may have been inevitable we dont know. In think going on the premice of WMDs when weapons inspectore were allowed free acces and iraq was fully compliant and nothing was found unjust. Prehaps it would have been better to negociate or support another political group to rise and overthrow saddam to hold the infrastructure in place. It can be said for cirtian what would have happend in this case but i feel that njot all options were explored and thus problems of violance may have been avoidable. Just to add, it has be often argued the job should have been completed the first time round so we wouldnt be in this mess now.

Im my book his "robin hood" actions are a benifit to all. Providing social equlity is a good way to ensure each and every person has the oppertunities in life they deserve and thus gives everone the ability to serve their place in sociaty to the best of their ability. Think about it, Im a class sociaty often the rich get richer, and the poor get poorer as inflation drives up the cost of living. This devide is rather significant, it means that top level education is possible only for the rich meaning the best jobs are only for the rich and so the rich have a better quality of life. If you level the playing field everyting is much more fair, no matter who you are you will have the same oppertunitys from the day you are born to the day you die. Jobs will be bases on ability, the intelligant will rise to the top rather then the kid with the richest parents. It goes further then that, everyone can have access to good healthcare, homes, entertainment and so on. Now for the genocide issue. What you have describes is not genocide its apoplying the law by forse (prehaps exsessive forse but not genocide) If somone refuses to give up their land as demanded as part of leveling the playing field do you think the government will just say "ok keep it we will let you be exempt from the law". I think america doesnt like it because its a step towards the communist side of things. Coomunists are not evil and are not the enamy. Communism is a great idea in theory, its always voted in and usualy breaks down and falls by natural means.

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Agreed, however specs may shed some light.

it would be usefull if system specs for everone experincing this problem were posted and what other programs you run.

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The problem with the US is it believs that all nations should be democratic. When it comes down to it some nations are happy as they are or it will be more benifitial to leave them. Thanks to the neo-conservativs for that one. Russia is the prefect example, the cold war was a waste of time. The fall of communism came from within. In the case of iraq, it may have been under the dictatorship of saddam (we all agree not a good thing) however the current problems werent there.

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