Actually I'm not so sure about that pern. It seems a lot of those who like Sockey don't like Jav events, and some who like Jav events don't like Sockey. But from what I've seen, most of the players who play 17th these days prefer Sockey.. which is why it's been played so much. I can honestly say that I haven't seen anything in 17th attract so many players as Sockey has in a long time. Everytime I'd try to get people over to play something, they'd just do it 'cause I ask them to then they'd go back to whatever it was they were playing. With Sockey, people ask me if I can host it whenever I come online.. and the gameplay itself isn't even officially completed yet. I think it's because it's so simple, and because the gap between pro players and new players is much smaller. Or that there aren't as many pro ball players than there are fighter players. Either way, that's how it is.