Lone Outlaw

What a load of bullshit. This clown with OMG you are using Omega Tiles. You sound like Hoch, retarded. Keep in mind he was a British Lawyer. He used to say work you do is not yours once it's uploaded to Death Star Battle. It then belongs to the zone and it's DSBs, and using it elsewhere is a violation of DSBs copyright or some B.S like that. At any rate you need to look at the fashion industry. They don't have copyright. Because someone can design the same thing and shorten it by 5 millemeters and it's now a new item even though it looks exactly the same. Here is the link in case you ever feel like educating yourself. What they have instead is Brand/Trademark protection. Your brand on subspace/continuum is your name and your zone. Meaning I can't pass of your tiles as my own. I need to say you made them. But otherwise I can do whatever the hell I want with them. At any rate this is why continuum is a failing game. No creativity, no innovation. In a proper game, the tile editor would be linked to a database where all work done is uploaded free for everyone to use. Do you know how many thousands of tiles there would be then? And how little people would complain because there would be so much content no one would give a shit. Anyway please educate yourself before you post about copyright. Also its perfectly reasonable to use your tiles as a base for editing a whole new tileset. Some people can't make shit from scratch and shouldn't have to. https://www.ted.com/talks/johanna_blakley_lessons_from_fashion_s_free_culture

It's fine because they can't moderate PMs, and I had my post backed up so no damage done. And since I'm not repasting posts they deleted I'm still not breaking any rules =) but really zones going back up should be in Polix's SSC Zone Statuses thread not this one. @ M_M_God If we want to get all technical about who should post what where. This thread is about how some people hate you guys and took down your servers. Fairly certain they'd get attacked again, warframe is still getting Ddos'ed daily. I see no reason why the people who did this to continuum would stop unless they were caught.

In case Priitk decided this a good time to drop hosting and save himself money and let the game die. It's probably a good idea to have a backup plan for trench wars, choas, EG. So unofficial zones, until someone else can setup a new official biller. As for DSB if someone wants to help them move to ASSS that would be nice. I'll even pay you 100$, i know it's nothing but essentially you only need to convert two bots, it's more than most people get doing things for free around here obviously. Plus you'd be taking money from a poor person anyway.

Really this elicits an emotional response? You are actually worried? Over this game?

Warframe is getting DDos'd too. http://www.incgamers.com/2014/04/warframe-ddos-attack-pc-digital-extremes-working-resolve And now with amplified DDos attacks probably bigger targets. This is interesting too, http://o.canada.com/news/heartblee-cra-social-insurance-numbers-427992/

omg i remember Bananas In Pyjamas, good show

DSB fails anyway, they should use this opportunity to switch to ASSS since most of the goals they want to accomplish require it.

In case anyone is interested in what a Denial of Service attack is and doesn't want to read a wiki. Basically explains about Amplified DDoS's. "Can't do security through obscurity" Good quote. I believe a proper DDoS could easily take down any company's servers or data centers. Their name doesn't matter. Superb is likely a great hosting company. Doesn't mean shit =)

Whats the time frame here for everything to go back to normal if ever? Another week? A month? A year? I know Priitk knows but are you able to make some sort of guess based on what you know?

lol cheese is agreeing with me or being sarcastic with elephant memory..

Yeah was just about to say, This is a good opportunity for DSB to switch to ASSS. But stag shot sort of said that/beat me too it.

If you weren't cheating, I suggest you make friends with some zone owners and get them to ban free you. They will so long as your netban wasn't over something threatening to the game or servers. It's the only way to combat dumb netbans. And if someone has so much of an ego theyd harm a zone or another person over your banfree, then it's just sad and funny at the same time i guess.

No i knew it was part of the American constitution, i said i didn't specifically look for the American constitution., I googled laws on refusal of service. Clicked a few websites, some where canadian, some were just .com addresses found a nice site that said everything clearly. Copy and pasted. Not grasping at straws at all, tm_master talks to me, and said he was under pressure not to ban free me. "I hardly can give two damns about Canadian law, if there is a Canadian server or zone operator out there, they might. I doubt Canadian law is much different than American" This is what i was saying, most constitutions are generally the same recognizing fundamental liberties, they are just worded differently. PS. i know how to officially quote others, just lazy. @ My dear friend polix, mean this mostly with sincerity not sarcasm "At the time of your ban there were 4, and all 4 were in agreement to remove you from the SSC Network per request of DSB, per the network ban policy, and per the license as previously shown." How can four people agree when maybe only one knew me? It's like saying four zones agreed to remove me, when out of the four i only played in one. Seems like poor decision making, you guys just jump on the latest bandwagon and roll with it. Mob mentality. I agree with what you said about harassment, but it still stands that a person needs to be told to stop for it to be harassment.

I didn't specifically look up the american constitution, I'm not american, I'm canadian, most constitutions recognize fundamental civil liberties. Unless I should get the constitution of china or iran or something that nobody here even agrees with. You live in countries and enjoy rights, and then violate the same rights online because you can, it seems very hypocritical to me. Nope i never change names to evade ignores. You made that up, or you believed whoever accused me of that without actually having evidence to that fact. You believed a lot of shit resol said in one case, and tm_master had to tell you no resol is a liar and I actually just banned him myself from my zone, falc was innocent. That was just one case. Getting banned from a zone also doesnt mean i can't talk on the zone chat. Anyway anyone who knows me, or has ignored me, knows i don't change names to evade ignores. Ignore me and it will likely stay that way until you tick it off. Pfft i started playing in 1999, was that part of the 1999 license? Cause tomorrow you can release a new client and add option 7. Saying Polix is the supreme ruler of continuum and can ban anyone he wants anytime. Except you guys dont even follow your own license, " Your conduct in the game may affect your ability to play on a given server. Rules of conduct are left to the discretion of each server operator." Tm_master for example thinks similarly about bans the way i do, and would never ban a player for words said. As such when he heard of my netban, knowing i am no real threat to the game, servers, don't even know how to cheat etc, he decided to ban free me, because under his discretion my conduct is fine for his zone, and he wants me there. When doing such a thing you and mom went apeshit on his ass and likely threatened to remove his powers or tried to pressure him not to ban free me. Yes harassment is pursuing someone, but i dont specifically target anyone when i troll, i just make general remarks usually about how a zone fails or something. Or controversial statements about something else not even related to the zone. When i do insult someone it's not all day for hours, and the next day it could be someone else, i don't discriminate i troll everyone equally. But one thing you need to understand about harassment, is that the person needs to ask you or tell you to stop for it to be harassment. If they don't then how should i know? I may think i'm joking and hes not taking it as seriously as he is. People rarely tell me to stop, they just argue, insult back, get mad, ignore, etc. No one has ever quit subspace because of me, and to say such a thing would be conceited, people quit for tons of other practical reasons. In every game people actually need an enemy or two to keep it interesting. In dsb mods would not tell me to stop, theyd just ban, they didnt tell me to stop because they knew i would and that it would deprive them of banning me. But please dont misunderstand, I agree harassment should be a gag-able offense, i'm not in favor of racism in zones, i can understand hyperspaces enforcement of no swearing also, and i respect their rule on it. But i personally see no issue with saying a bad word from time to time.

You can always go to DSB when its up asked to be gagged 6000 minutes and then see what is more annoying, a ban that sends you to another zone, or a gag that lasts until the timer is up, even if you change names, leave the zone, etc. Thats the message I'm trying to spread, stop policing your zones and dev for them, thats how you solve a lot of issues. A simple gag bot or module would eliminate the need for bans in 99.9% of cases. It's called a proportional reaction to whatever someone is doing. You don't take chainsaw to kill a fly. Otherwise you guys are no different than this hacker, going nuts and taking down a whole game because someone called him a name. ie One of Kilos speculations. "Your argument about anything related to the concept of "public" is invalid because "private" means "not public" and your implication that it is illegal to deny service to people that say things you don't like is also false and a red herring. If you don't believe me, why don't you start testing your "rights" in your local stores and see how they treat you." Illegal doesn't always mean it's enforced. But if for example the police were present, and you refuse service and make it extremely obvious why, like because i'm black or white or christian or jew. The police will say hey you need to serve that guy. And if you don't believe me they will tell you what is legal and not. In not so obvious cases you need to actually not be served, leave the store, and come back with a lawyer and take the person to court and make a big deal out of it. Maybe even have video evidence, and in that case you need to be in a country or state where its legal to video tape or record if one person knows about it. As for your ideas of private and public I can just quote this for you. Oh and by the way one of those equal protection laws under most constitutions is the freedom of speech.

Yet one of the commands for banning is *kill. At any rate, it depends how you want to make the analogy. If we are talking about online persona's, then you are effectively killing the existence of that persona in a game by banning it from the game. So for something as non harmful as text, a ban is excessive. It could be like me shooting you in the head because you called my mom fat. Banned from existing in what i deem "my" world. (When in reality we all share the world). That is the sum of my analogy. In this case you shoot people in the head, and the world they are banned from is continuum. (Yet we all apart of the same community, how can you say someone is not unless they are actually DDoS'ing the servers or cheating?) Yeah but the difference is i said I'm assuming, while other people assume, think its the truth, and pass it off as fact thinking they have all the facts when they don't. So yeah correct I am speculating, I pretty much said I was. If thats the case the rules of the establishment should probably change, why would you want to be apart of something that is borderline discriminatory, or has the wrong values. I know from personal experience talking to some hackers that they really hate peoples online club houses, where people make their own rules and live in some fictional world. Actually I like DSB, i like the zone, settings, most of the people. I think the staff is shitty and needs to step down so the zone can succeed. It's not smart on their part to ban contributing players, as I've devved for the zone on many an occasion, trained 200 new players for leagues, brought 6 squads to 3 different leagues and so on. I played in DSB since before some of these idiots knew what subspace was. 12 years makes me as much apart of the zone and continuum as anyone else, despite if you think i say stupid things, or if i troll occasionally.

"Lone Outlaw: Sorry, but I'm going to have to stop you right at the point you said "every right." That is disturbingly out of touch with reality, and outright incorrect. If you kick someone out of your establishment, that is your right. If you attack someone's establishment, you are by definition not within your rights. You can say all you want about them, but you cannot attack them." A ban is kicking someone out of your establishment. But a net-ban on here, is equivalent to kicking someone out of the country. It can also be viewed as analogous to murdering someone since my existence on the game is as Lone Outlaw and if I was net-banned from the game my existence is no more. As such banning for words is an extreme overreaction and the fact that so many of you take issue with this (ESPECIALLY when there is a better way to handle the situation) shows why Continuum was likely hacked. The truth of the matter is hackers rarely waste their time taking down games unless they have a reason too. And I am assuming this in general of course because I know some people capable of this and they really wouldn't waste their time unless people on the game were being power tripping ass hats. The only other reason a hacker would waste their time on this is just to see if they could do it, but that would apply more to finding server vulnerabilities or basic lame cheating like flying through walls, packets etc. And again they wouldn't take down a game they actually enjoy, they would select some game filled with people that they again don't like, likely because those people are power tripping ass hats. A zone is designed for fun and generally made in service to a community, so while something can be a private business, it can also accommodate the public and be open to the public. As such there are certain laws where it is illegal to deny service. Saying something you don't like, or that you disagree with, does not count as causing a disruption, especially when in this game people can use the ?ignore function and the problem would be solved. Disruptions of a business, have more to do with actions, and would affect everyone in the business. If you are pissed off about what i say, it doesn't mean everyone else is. If you really wanted to justify bans for speech then you'd have to impliment vote bans like Team Fortress has. Where the whole game decides this person is disrupting the "service of the business". If taken to court and you said I was disrupting your business, but you had no single witness to confirm, they would throw the case out because the denial of service was unjustified and based on arbitrary conditions. IE personal opinion. Funny how you guys are all quick to justify denial of service (ie. bans) and continuum got Denial-Of-Service-Attacked. Seems who ever did this is of like mind like you guys are. A person like me would never DDoS or Ban. The fact that people don't ?ignore means its not much of an issue for them to begin with, they are only making a big deal out of it because they know they can convince some tool of a MOD to ban a player they don't like. The fact that mods don't gag, is because they'd rather ban and feel powerful. What i say has to border on a hate crime for it to be considered a disruption. So sure a line can be drawn on what can be said, but most trolling in continuum rarely comes close to deserving a ban, the way i troll involves no hate or racism or even swear words, and yet I've been banned countless times. Once for 24 years by Hoch, two netbans, various undeserving bans in DSB etc.

Okay ban someone who says something you don't like. If your in the process of making enemies, or keeping them, then you will just provoke the wrong people. What you have to understand is if i enter your zone and troll one player, its at the word level. When you ban, you raise the stakes, you take it from words to actions, and i would deem it excessive action too. As such this person if they are talented now has every right to leave words behind also and do some actions of their own like take down 20+ servers. You just created a shit storm because you can't handle someone's pixels (text). Also keep in mind while a troll is trolling, nothing stops the whole community from trolling them. If I can handle 50 people hating me and making fun of me, how can you not handle me 1 person trolling you? If your skin is that thin maybe you should get off the internet entirely. The true way to be an adult is to turn your enemies into friends. Polix lately decided to be nicer with me for example, and the same respect is given in return. But overall I have to say you have a right to do what you like in a zone that you own. Except with ignore and gag features bans are not required. Bans are only needed for cheaters, Spec can be used for griefers (aka team killers). If you make a bot that will auto gag people when they re-enter a zone, and knows all the persons aliases and IP address, then you effectively eliminated the need for a ban. You set the gag time to 6000 minutes, and thats it, whenever the person enters the zone they are auto gagged. I will tell you now, this was my idea, i told Entropy to do it, he listened and did it in DSB, AND it's far far far worse than a ban ever would be, and you get the +1 population from the gagged player being in your zone and playing.

LOL the dsb'ers were absent, sounds like DSB alright.

Yeah *lots of information needed for an attack that exploits a server vulnerability. Not really sure what info is needed for DDoS attack. Probably very little. Had to correct myself. Then I agree with you a DDoS attack is a more cheap way of doing things, and not really about anything other than disruption/destruction. I'm not sure how the community can retaliate. The best thing still is to ban cheaters only, and try to be responsible adults now that we are all like 28+ years old. Less chance of pissing the wrong people off that way, the community doesn't need to make enemies. If this was an unprovoked attack, which I agree is more likely, then the above doesn't apply.

Why not? They must have back ups, could return eventually if only under a different host?

Lol if you want to avoid situations like this, try and remember you are not all powerful online just because you have a ban hammer, some people are talented, this guy is probably an amateur but imagine if you can someone serious whose been on computers since 1994. There will always be someone stronger or better than you are, with the resources to make a DDoS attack like this seem like a joke. People can set up an array of thousands of computers from around the world and DDoS your servers, and hide their location through a giant list of proxy's., you wouldn't even be able to pull a hoch and "threaten" to sue their ass. The best solution for this is to treat people fairly, make bots to enforce any zone rules. Try not to ban people for saying something you don't like, that's what ?ignore is for. There is an ignore on these forums also. Hope Priitk is alive enough to reset the servers, or this will indeed be funny for a few weeks. LOL @ stag shots post, another rich guy making threats about how powerful he is and all his connections. Hackers aren't necessarily bad people. There are white hats, grey hats, black hats. You can only make an argument that black hats are bad, but it still depends what they do. So check your prejudices at the door because people who hack are definitely needed, it's checks and balances. As if your federal whatever level can deport people to USA, as if your laws apply in every country. Even if you had proof, no one would spend the money to deport someone to USA unless it was a more serious felony like murder, that person would just have a warrant in USA for their arrest. But I doubt your IT security expert is talented enough to find who did this. Lots of planning and information is required for attacks like this. Not to mention a person who did this level of an attack would either be mobile, using a laptop, or if at a location would not be using internet they paid for.

Cheese a lot of anger. I take it you miss me. Maybe I should post more often. This place died completely when I stopped. I wonder why you bother talking to me. I won't change, and you failed numerous times to get me banned. Who is the idiot now? Lucky I don't have 50 names. And the 20 or so names I have no one would want or could even think of. Plus at least 16 of those names have 500-1000 hours of play time. The issue isn't having many names. The issue is having names remain taken when the person didnt log onto them for 5 years, and when the person didn't play for 5 years on any name whatsoever. But I'm glad my posts can still anger you. I didn't make a new thread because I don't make threads. Or rarely do. Find any threads made by me. Might be one or two in existence out of 391 posts. My post was on topic, the thread is about the problem not the specific person. A thread can be all encompassing and include everyone with a similar problem. Something like two birds with 1 stone. Why waste space making more threads on the same issue. Plus I was done with the topic, only replying now because you were dumb enough to type to me.

Well I'll make a deal, give me back Tycho Celchu. There are not many people left who are starwars fans who even know where the name comes from. I used the name for 2 years from 1999-2001. Somehow the password stopped working so I made the name Tycho Celchu. with a period. Lost that name too. I don't understand why no one wants to give me my name back. Is someone actively using the name? Can I get a straight fucking answer. And if the name is unused for 10 years then can I get back? I don't care if I'm a name hoarder and that pisses you off. I used the name for two years and I created the name, was the first to use the name. That's not hoarding, that's using. Back then I was only 14 so I didn't know how to retrieve names and I was upset I lost it. All that aside, I was using a 56k Modem back then and was on a Pentium I. So no hardware doesn't match. Location should match however, I still live in Toronto Canada. So the deal is, give me the name back, if anyone comes to claim it and they have more proof the name is theirs than I do, then just give them the name back. But I doubt anyone will claim it or want it or even care about it, or know how to spell it. Notice I'm not asking for Han Solo, that shit was taken. Valiant. was a name I had in 2006. Valiant with a period. I'm not asking for Valiant without a period because I never had that name. ETC. I'm not a scammer, I literally used the name Tycho Celchu in 2000 otherwise I wouldn't even think to ask for it. Facts are all the names I hoard are shit names. The Sentinel for example. Nobody wants this name, no one would use it. M26 Pershing, named after a tank. Uhm, Infernal Armor, etc. These aren't good names that other people would want, so let me hoard.