Here is my opinion... I cannot agree that turf would benefit Deva. I speak out of experience. My zone, SSIA Dooms Day, started in 2000, roughly around the same time as Deva, was turf style flagging. Where is it now? No one gave a !@#$%^&* about it because turf sucks balls. Also, I went innactive(lol). One thing that I believe helped sustain players, and possibly obtain some new players was the fact that all zone-statistics were recorded and made available for the public's use. Edome seems to be out for the count, and apparently never going to be re-instated. I think this affects subspace as a whole. What is the use of points if you can't get an idea of how you compare to everyone else? So my suggestion is this: If possible, record and display Devastation statistics somewhere on the website. Which seems at the moment, to be serving no purpose. And props to JDS for attempting to help Deva, may the force be with you.