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It's not worth it to play subspace. Quit

socialism is the best

agreed. *bang bang* i shot you. 100 points for me.

Uhmm when I say "people," i did not mean JUST YOU.

People - don't look at communism in Russia and China as pure "communism." Callincos and other political theorists have even said that they were the "totalitarian distortion of communism." So lets not be too hasty to judge communism, ok? If you want to study communism, read up on Marx.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}> no nintendo -- apparently s!@#$%^&* considers himself the new moderator, so we as the lowly peons must legitimize his claims. it's the rule. but nintendo - fight for your rights.. you are still moderator. do what you can to end this

i want my life back...

Rofl.. you say i have no valid argument -- then point it out! prove that my arguments aren't valid. So far i've seen nothing. I think you've lost credibility because every post you made was "ophie your arguments are not valid" yet you don't even go out of your own way of pointing out what wasn't valid. you take it a step further my insulting my intelligence? Come on dude... seriously, you're the one who took this personally FIRST, not me.

I will, once you start to intelligently debate the point that i brought up earlier (the one in which i spent a half hour typing up)... You gave me nothing but a half-witted 2 minute reply, insulting my personality, rather than the argument itself. What i said, should make logical sense, if you possess any of it.

Rofl.. You just can't face sociological truth. You make these stories up about how great america is and how it's so free so that you don't have to face the dark underbelly of society. The thing is, you are narrow minded. You're like, "oh, ophie posted. I can't be bothered by that, he's younger than me. he doesn't know as much as i do." I've gotten personal with you? I've always gotten personal with you, !@#$%^&*. You're just blind. Listen, lets keep the insults in our PMs... and the political discussions in here..

Are you sure that you're not the one who is brainwashed. You just made the !@#$%^&*umption that I thought that muslims were responsible for Oklahoma. Then you told me that I'm a muslim hater. Stop with your allegations and !@#$%^&*umptions. I have muslim friends and peers who would be offended by your very words. You really have no idea how to hold a political discussion do you Ophie? It's like you just keep ranting on trying to justify your pontification. That's boring, and you're creating animosity. Bush didn't tell me to think one way or another. I think the way I think because I am me. Most adults are certainly capable of thinking one way or another and almost all mature people will realize that it has little to do with brainwashing. People do what they do because that's what they have determined is the best way. You make !@#$%^&*umptions cause you don't know any better. Please stop posting. Thanks. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> And because you told me to stop posting, I'll post. wow somehow i just feel that the intelligence-level of this topic has just dropped by 100 because of your come back.. hey next time you're trying to burn me, just keep in mind that caustic wit takes some intelligence. be right-wing conservative if you wish... I did not say that you thought the muslims were the ones responsible for oklahoma bombing. I said that FBI did You just made a premature connection... And I don't care what your muslim friends and peers think of what i posted. You're just stereotyping your friends thinking that they'll agree with you -- but that's just what america is about isn't it? Hey guess what, I have some chinese, sri lankan, australian and british friends who would be offended by what you said. Good job. where's the !@#$%^&*ing substance? I don't know how to hold a political discussion? Look at you. Your post contained no substance of any ring of factual truth.

pernille doesn't go to the zone often because she works 24/7 in the background.. sheesh...

s!@#$%^&* - im gonna leave it at that. i've stated my position and that's all the time i'll waste on this propaganda forum. I rather have people decide from what I said and what you said, and have them state their opinions, rather than having the both of us argue uncontrollably on this issue,.

fine. how does US society operate? Well those who have power are obviously those who are priviledged.. those who have power WANTS to keep being priviledged. So they will try any way they can to KEEP lower-class people lower class.. They're not out to see that lower class people become rich and climb up the social ladder. you said it yourself - michael moore is out for himself. that's the principle of a CAPITALIST society. Ok look around you -- why is it that girls buy make-up? Why is it that they're constantly trying to be "beautiful" -- dude who even TERMED the word beautiful? We live in a society full of discourses that attempt to define words such as beautiful. Some people might have their perspectives and opinions on what the word beautiful means.. I might say that Bette Midler is beautiful, but others don't. Media attempts to FIX their definition of what the word "beautiful" through TV shows, commercials -- the things that EVERYONE in America is hooked on, engaged in. It's undeniable , S!@#$%^&*, that everyone in America is hooked onto their television and kids buy these products because of commercials.. They present britney spears as beautiful -- they say kirsty alley isn't because she's fat. they say martha stewart isn't because she's gotten fatter.. Isn't it funny how the media also defines the term "beautiful" yet at the same time, they also cater to "our needs" by selling us these "self-help" products like make-ups, cologne? Look at this from a political perspective -- how is it that these 9-11 hijackers are "terrorists"? It seems that Bush is saying - we are the Judaic-Christian America waging war against the demonic Iraqis -- it's all propaganda.. yet people buy into it. Are they even "terrorists" in the first place? Or are they "heros"? They are considered heros according to the Koran. And I can not say that I am fully 100% for the Koran, but remember -- the status of these hijackers are SUBJECTIVE -- they are either HEROS or TERRORISTS.. A lot of america seems to think that they are terrorists because of our past conceived notions of Muslim people.. Take the Oklahoma bombing for example.. The first thing that the police thought was - MUSLIMS did it.. the first person they contacted was Edward Said (a Muslim expert and a Muslim himself for consulting... he said that he had felt insulted because they thought it was a Muslim who did it without any evidence.. why can't it be just an average american white boy who bombed the building? Well it was an american white-boy who bombed the building.. We keep having these stereotypes in our minds.. See how America is brainwashed? [EDIT] let me bring this point back to my thesis... my thesis is those in power wants to keep people where they are.. as in status quo -- well through the use of media, and through the power CEOs and government officials INFUSING their discourses through media, obviously, they control the subjectivities of the lower class people.... thus we're nothing but lap dogs for the people in power...

and i draw not only from Michael Moore and Noam Chomsky, i draw my conclusions from famous sociologists like Stuart Hall and Marshall Mcluhan as well who DOES NOT speak directly about US democracy, but about media and how it influences society's freedom..

i cant believe i voted for a narrow minded person who can't even entertain other people's perspectives.. yes michael moore is out for himself - but in the capitalist world in which we live in, who ISN'T? seriously think about it. and don't say "move somewhere else" -- cuz that's just an immature rebuttal which has no ring of substance at all.

hahah i dont even have to read half of what S!@#$%^&* is saying to realize that he's been brainwashed... Seriously s!@#$%^&*, listen to the voice of america -- read some Michael Moore's newest book with letters from soldiers who are dissatisified with the actions of Bush -- hurt, sad and homesick... Read Noam Chomsky -- he's talking about how democracy in America does not exist -- because our SUBJECTIVITIES are constantly controlled by those in power.. the powerful CEOs.. and no i am not saying that America is a bad place to live -- i respect it and I think it's a great country -- one that could be better... And I can't get out of AMerica - i live in canada. As well - you made fun of the muslim culture -- you in FACT classify it as a demonic culture... See -- isn't that how the states want you to think? Isn't that how BUSH wants you to think? The society that these people live in are FUNDAMENTAL society and they adhere STRAIGHT from their Koran.. why? because they wanted to do what's best to prevent corruption in society.. that's the whole goal of fundamentalism - to go back to the basics of what their Allah says.. S!@#$%^&*, you're a Christian -- if you lived in a Christian fundamental culture and you were born and raised in one -- lets say.. someone committed adultery, he was stoned to death in PUBLIC -- how would you feel? You would obviously feel a part of the culture and you would ACCEPT it.. you wouldn't question it. In the same way, these muslims are brainwashed.. but how about the americans?

Iraqis are prisoners of the American society. They are not free. American PROPAGANDA!!! Dude somebody should start like an anti-american propaganda campaign and make it as big as the McCarthy-communism one..

!@#$%^&* YOU IDIOT PERNILLE IS A SWEETHEART SHE IS THE BEST DEVINE WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR THIS !@#$%^&*ING ZONE. NOTHING. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING BUT DISSING OTHER PEOPEL SO !@#$%^&* YOU

CAN SOMEONE TELL PERNILLE TO READ THIS I NEED HER TO READ IT PERNILLE DONT QUIT I AM SO SORRY

<{POST_SNAPBACK}> THEN EXPLAIN WHY MMAV GETS 3 VOTES AND PERNILLE GETS 3 VOTES I THINK MMAV IS PERNILLE'S HUSBAND

!@#$%^&* !@#$%^&*ING YEA

i think mavv rocks

and this is the reason to her not quitting?> you guys dont get it.... pernille just dont quit

pernille i was only kidding. please don't quit... i was really only kidding!! sigh sorry