Bots have a negative effect on zone growth in terms of 17th. Where as TW used them for things that were popular like Wbduel, the only bot that actually was worth anything was Duel bot (when it worked!) and Rumble bot because of the pull of dsb players it brought in.. Speedball bot killed Speedball, the m!@#$%^&* of bots in public proved ineffective and every other bot seemed a bloody waste of time. GeneralBot, DuelBot, Rumblebot, Scorebot - the only bots needed (at most) Prehaps the TWElim bot would be a good addition... But 17th pub sucks, the events generally aren't much better. Negative effect for both cases, 17th won't survive long because of lack of change I'm betting. EDIT: 1200 posts ^^