I was just using it as an example - the current map with just north base removed and turf flags added west/east would be just as good since you mention it, opal WAS a pub map and it did very well gee, thanks for the info there...what are you, a mod? if vile does anything good these days then it's obviously not allowed by Nurps or Mike because last I checked he felt the same as I do (opalmap-like map with old sets and uzi weasel) I stopped making things for 17th, they virtually never used any of it - I thought I'd made this clear already it was much less "annoying" than the old one hit kill weasel and it was plenty fair if you don't want to piss anyone off then you'll have to make every ship the exact same thing (which by the way is exactly what has been happening - 17th used to have very unique ships) I'm !@#$%^&*uming that's not directed towards me - it's painfully clear, I think, what my position on settings is >>>>>>> if you have an alias, don't expect me to miraculously know it if you don't have an alias, then you were not around when I was around (roughly the past year and a bit) - and if you were not there, then you missed it and blah blah blah >>>>>>> Oh my God. -Speechless- yes >>>>>>> ...like fux0ring the sets don't really see your point, but whatever blows your hair back - Mike and Nurps don't like map changes I don't care about new players, I miss the original settings that got me hooked yes >>>>>>> no comment :roll: