I'm in 17th all the time. Aileron, people who want extra computer parts could still play, it doesnt really mean they have a broken computer. Maybe someone has a 10GB hard drive and wants to try win the 120gb one. Maybe someone has an older graphics card etc. Or they can just sell the !@#$%^&*. One of the problems with 17th is what Aileron stated, you need skill to play the zone, the people who still play have skill so when someone new comes in they get totally owned and of course the newb will leave subspace / 17th. Another problem is there is nothing to do in 17th when the population is low. 17th is out of date too! Not just the zone but the website too and that will probably never get fixed because there either isn't enough staff or staff or too lazy to do it. 17th is a violent place too. I'm not sure what its like now because I haven't played a decent pub game in ages. But you get people saying "stop lagging !@#$%^&*face" and then it starts an argument (I know because ive been in enough of them) Why would a newbie want to get involved in something like that? You need some cool events, multiship AND just the javelin. I know this isnt urgent because you have no one to play them yet. But you should probably get to work on them incase the population does come back. If someone designs some type of advertisement for flyers then I will give a load out. Maybe you should concentrate on getting more people like Mentorian, Miami dolphin, pen experse etc.. because they always end up balling. Balling games always lost a lot longer than just center killing. If i can think of anything else i'll post it