i88gerbils

Just noting. I would delete your posts so far as well if you had posted similarly on forumhq.net's tech support forum. Or I'd edit your posts and make better English w/o caps.

Sorry to butt in, but from what I have noticed there are two problems that cause this behaviour. One, spyware or some firewall/antivirus program. Two, some unknown, unsolved problem that does not change with drivers, software updates, or spyware/anti-virus programs. It is very difficult to see the difference between both of them as they are related. See here and here for explorative attempts at solving the problem. The latter being before I realized there were two problems. I am afraid that the second problem is actually a problem with Continuum, and not a user-caused problem. It seems the "Fatal Errors Codes" reflect more of this problem then the first. No exception.log is created. No DirectX install problem. No video card driver problem. No Windows Update problem. It has stumped me time and again so I'm just contributing only some of the information that I have collected about.

Yes.

http://snrrrub.sscentral.com/ a couple of do-*BAD WORD*-ents there.

Yes, the specific statements are not questions. My mistake. But in order to answer your opinion on a statement a question must be asked. So in that regard they are implied questions. However, if we're going to put it semantically as statements I shall use it so we're not confused. As I said that I would discuss this later I will do so. Each "statement" that I find would misrepresent me with ANY answer I choose shall be discussed in the following. Starting with numero uno. I suggest that we all take the time to provide explanations for our answers because our explanations will provide more insight then the rating system of any poll, survey, or whatever they choose to call this. In college I was introduced to the comp!@#$%^&* at one point, but I only vaguely remember it. I do remember however that I was excited by the four dimensions instead of two. I agree with it, but not with all of these statements. They could have done a much better job creating this. For political analysts of a specific person after the fact it is easy to emulate where they would stand on the chart, but for individual people it is not so simple. "Often people find they wanted to select 'don't know' mainly because they'd never really thought about the idea." They say this in their faq, but that is no excuse for my own beliefs. When I simply cannot choose on some of your statements that means either you should put in some middle ground OR change your statement. This is my main grievance and I will explain why in the next section. ------ Additionally, the following has nothing to do with "slants", but to whether or not I have the potential to actually ANSWER their statements with the answers provided. When I use the term bias I mean inability or confusion in the statement that would render my response incorrect to my actual position. "If economic globalisation is inevitable, it should primarily serve humanity rather than the interests of trans-national corporations." This statement has a several flaws that I find that made me want to skip the statement entirely. Yes, I could not say I agreed or disagreed with it. But already this "political comp!@#$%^&*" is flawed by refusing to let me leave a statement blank. The reasons I did not want to answer this statement was that I felt "humanity" was not defined. An answer of "strongly agree", "argee", "disagree", or "strongly disagree" did not fit my character because I do not believe globalization should be for any specific purpose. Where does that answer fit on the "comp!@#$%^&*"? "I'd always support my country, whether it was right or wrong." This one I could answer, and I "strongly agree". Why? After reading Andrew Macintyre you might agree too. However, in various discussions through the SubSpace community many found me "not supportive" of "my" country taking the time to slander me in the process. So, here the statement can reveal two different characteristics. Since they refuse to release their details we can only assume that they are not treating this statement with any weight (or so I hope). "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." Again, I can neither agree or disagree. When considering friendship I consider the traits of the person. That person could be the enemy of my enemy, or a friend of my enemy. I have had both, and still consider them friends. Again, where do I fit on the comp!@#$%^&* since I cannot answer the statement? "It's a sad reflection on our society that something as basic as drinking water is now a bottled, branded consumer product." Now here they are trying to take something specific and apply it to the general. Not necessarily a bad thing. I enjoy bottled water and tap water (ah good ol' Northern California tap water). I do not agree that bottling water is a sad reflection on our society however there are other things like health care that I do not think should be a "bottled, branded consumer product" (which it is in the U.S.). Now 2003 was the year of fresh water, and we learned (or hopefully learned) that fresh drinking water is a precious and rare resource in many third-world countries. Now since I did not agree with the statement does that mean I do not agree that we should improve free drinking water? Of course not, I love a water fountain just as anyone else does. So then again, I cannot answer this statement without betraying myself. "A significant advantage of a one-party state is that it avoids all the arguments that delay progress in a democratic political system." True. This is a fact. There is no denying it. Whether I agree that as political en!@#$%^&*ies of a state we should have only one party is a different matter. Contrarily I believe in healthy discussion that promotes compromise or agreements. However, the statement requests my agreement if it is a "significant advantage" and it is. I have to agree. It is true. This statement is improperly worded because whether it is a fact or not has nothing to do with my political situation (the argument would pertain to whether China is making "progress" or not). "Multinational companies are unethically exploiting the plant genetic resources of developing countries." !@#$%^&*umption: all multi-national companies are unethically exploiting (or not) the plant genetic resources of developing countries. There have been definite cases of both. Whether this has to do with some companies fearing goverment intervention or not is another statement. A potential alternative using their wording from other statements: Should there be stronger regulation for multinational plant genetic resource companies in developing countries. "Religion and morality are closely linked." Yes. This is also a fact. There is no denying it. However, the correct statement to "pose" (hah, I had to prevent myself from saying "ask" here) would have been: Morality should be closely linked with religion. Morality is subjective. And although the dictionary definition defines morality as coming from a community I disagree. It can come from a living situation, a religion, a business, or from yourself. I think I proved this in countless discussions years ago within this very community. That there is not one morality for SubSpace. Interestingly I understand that moralities can be subsets of each other. So to continue with this statement. Do I agree that religion and morality are closely linked? Yes and no. I believe that religion can create a morality, but I disagree that there is one morality for the U.S. (and this comp!@#$%^&* is U.S. centered based on the statements). So again, how do I answer this statement? I cannot. I agree and I disagree. I cannot answer with any of the answers provided. "It's fine for society to be open about sex, but these days it's going too far." This is not a poorly constructed statement. The problem is with me. I have problems defining "going too far". It goes too far on television in my opinion, but in schools, sex issues should be discussed. I did condom races back in high school, and I agree that they did help me even if some people I talked about it to found it "crude". This is not a quip about the compass but a minor annoyance at myself for not being able to find an answer. ---------- Okay so let's review. I scored a -3.25 on the economic side, which places me to the left slightly. This is fairly accurate since I am conservative on some issues with some of the statements on the "comp!@#$%^&*". I scored a -1.74 on the Y axis, which places me as more libertarian. One might automatically say that this fits me like a glove since I did vote for Harry Browne in the last election, but the reasons for my voting were selfish and authoritative. Continuing on this thread, during the last presidential election I took it upon myself to review all the candidates platforms. This was something I was unable to do for the recent California Recall election and I am not proud of that, but I am happy about my decision to go with Arnold (sooo many candidates >.<). I found that I could not agree with issues that I found important. Even more important was that issues that I thought one way most of the major parties agreed on. So with that in mind I voted to have an administration that would not -*BAD WORD*- with what I didn't want -*BAD WORD*-ed with the wrong way. In this reasoning, I put my own thoughts on this country ahead of focusing on the majority. However, going straight by the issues off of one poll recently, I agreed more with Green issues. Though I still would not vote for Nader or the Green candidate specifically because of their complete non-involvement with past foreign reconstruction -*BAD WORD*- ups (*cough* Iraq *cough* Afghanistan). So where do I fit? I fit in the decision that I made years ago: to be an independent. I take specific issues one step at a time. I try to stay informed, though I know that I do not have the time to keep up to date (and many times am too lazy to do so). So the next question is if I am so "independent" why did I score -1 points towards being an anarch rather then authoritative. I already said it was my way or the highway. My liberal views of human rights could be construed as libertarian though. The comp!@#$%^&* also places me in the region of individuals that are concerned with humanity as a whole. My strong sense of individuality merges with my concern for human rights much of which ARE based on people like Ghandi (also my continual internal debate about whether there is such a thing as inalienable). Perhaps I did not answer "strongly agree" when I should have? Or perhaps the statements given were NOT enough to push me to my authoritative side? So in conclusion I am relatively happy about my placement on the compass but I am disappointed at some statements that could not capture a more complete picture. And I maintain that the site does not define your political standing, but after reflection on taking the "comp!@#$%^&*" you can question its decision based on statements it did not pose. As you read about me you discovered that I had many sides that could not accurately answer the statements the "comp!@#$%^&*" posed, and it is this point that I stress. The statements do not accurately portray the political compass They could if they changed the statements OR the answers. Perhaps even changing the available answers for each statement would work? N.B.: Oh, I did read the FAQ. But I thought I'd like to share with you what I thought about it anyway. The FAQ did not answer my questions anyway since the questions I bring up are not frequent (since hey, I'm an independent!). It did help provide some insight and remind me of a couple of other things though. Disclaimer: There is no need to quote all of a paragraph when responding. If you do, you're a -*BAD WORD*-ing re-*BAD WORD*- who doesn't know how to organize thoughts properly in a discussion. if you have read all this you have learned a great deal about me. if you have read all this and don't care, you're a moron who shouldn't have read it and shouldn't reply to it.

If you're oldbie enough you might be interested in what score I recieved. I had particular problems answering many of the questions because while I technically agreed with a statement I was sure that the script would take my answer the wrong way. Economic Left/Right: -3.25 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74 More discussion on the individual questions themselves and why I disagree with their method will be carried out later. For now OCL. Many of the questions carry a bias and many do not carry choices that reflect my personal belief rather then rational answers.

I'm a fan of simplicity . In any case, necessity comes first would have been a better point, and would hopefully keep the download to a minimum for a map editor.

SSME is 216kb zip compressed. CLE binaries are 381kb zipped. Your program should do what it does, and a whole lot more. I think if you do get it to a 400kb zip file, then you shouldn't worry at all. 500 or 600kb isn't hurting anyone. Of course, the smaller the better.

it's probably blue screening, but you can't see it. Go into system properties and into Enivronment and Recovery settings. Make sure it isn't set to automatically reboot. Then give the error that occurs?

or priitk will -*BAD WORD*- him away in their new company with ghost ship: Mostly Harmless Games.

That's incredibly nice graphic work there. SubSpace has come a long way...

it looks like i'll be voting libertarian again because all the candadites suck -*BAD WORD*-, and i'd rather have a non-governing party then one that'll -*BAD WORD*- up.

Anybody who uses FAT on linux deserves to pay royalties. Of course, if you're insistent about keeping a windows drive about. Keep windows on a FAT par!@#$%^&*ioned drive, and use your sleek 10k rpm sata drive with kernel 2.6 as your main drive that's not par!@#$%^&*ioned as FAT.

Don't post there. Use the search button.

I agree with Gold! The problem is not quite of the nature of the old list problem. However, I am disappointed that we are once again facing problems where not everyone can connect to a directory server or the zone list appears somewhat "dead". It wasn't so long ago that we tried to update that as much as possible. Maybe we need to stop having a "Continuum installer" and go with what we did for SubSpace 1.34 distributions.

/emulate was in SubSpace. It's a quick way of starting up in software emulation mode if you had any video problems.

sweet. good job man.

It would probably be better to attach a patchfile using diff instead of pasting the code for copy/paste people. http://forums.minegoboom.com will probably get more recognizition too.

sknox, a rather unknown player (shipbuilder), is working on patching up wine for continuum in his spare time. snrrrubspace worked for me. Slow, but useful back when zones still allowed VIE-type clients as a chat client. here's some google links of information: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-...G=Google+Search http://forums.minegoboom.com has a developer-friendly community as long as you know what you're doing (and even not). Just do some reading first...

I was right again. You tried though. That's better then before. Excellent. Now we can have a real conversation if we just throw out all the mindless drivel that went with the rest of your post. I'm glad you're learning (take the grammar hint there too). Here is your post w/o -*BAD WORD*- statements: I like it. Finally you're trying to make some sense. However note that I agreed with the statement that ownership = ownership. I already described this as common sense. As well, I described it as your agreement to my FIRST POST where I answered the question of ownership. That has not been refuted. Where have you found evidence contrary to this? Oh right, you haven't. You keep blathering on about how you're "right" about your first statement after I called you a newbie. Let's go through everything you messed up on one by one shall we? This way I can be direct even to someone with limited intelligence... 1. Priitk and Ekted do have rights to the CLIENT, VIE might still have the rights to the SUBGAME software. + False. For this reading up on history because it is integral to knowing ownership changes. We saw that BDE holds all rights to SubSpace through the communications with BDE and the SS Council in several e-mails. 2. Yes, priitK is responsible for the client, as with other people are responsible for programs that actually make the client work mind you, so who really "owns" subspace? + This rhetorical question implies that someone other then BDE "owns" SubSpace. Here I boiled down your argument to "ownership = ownership", which you agreed with. This also agrees with the fact that "BDE owns SubSpace". 3. There would be some programmers out there with time on their hands that can develop a new one, and by your logic i88gerbils, they'll own subspace, because they have rights to a client. + False. Where'd you get this one? Nowhere in my statements did I imply anything near this. I never said that anyone gets any rights at all. I stated the facts that, once again, BDE owns SubSpace. + False. However, perhaps you are confused by this statement " It just sits there in their hands." "their" refers to BDE, and once again I already told you that it was a criticism of both RisC and Horizon that any SubSpace vet who pays attention to the game he loves when it is in danger will know. 4. My post (the post that started this debate), had nothing to do with the history of subspace. Why? because I'm talking about who owns it NOW + False. I proved this wrong in my first post by outlining the basic history, which is important to ownership issues because ownership has changed hands 3 times. This could be confusing to some players so I clarified it in my first post. Again this does not change the fact that BDE owns SubSpace. 5. Owning one piece to the puzzle doesn't mean that you can complete it. + False, when put into the context of SubSpace ownership. BDE owns SubSpace. However, you did make the comment about Continuum. Continuum is more complicated, but as I said in my first post, that it betrays the original license. It is also a "clone" or copy of original material that is owned by BDE. That is your clarification if you were wondering. In any case BDE owners SubSpace. 6. Just because you played SS since it started doesn't mean that all your arguments are correct. That's just conceited and arrogant. + False, when put into the context of SubSpace ownership. I am not the one who is claiming statements without evidence! How can you be so blind when evidence is brought infront of you? You disrespect the SS Council, news sites such as Subspace.net, SSHQ.com when they reported accurate news about ownership issues. Geez. My arguments are correct because I proved them to be so because BDE owns SubSpace. 7. You have agreed with my point, which suggests that "Technically no one owns Subspace, the game in its entirety". + False. This refers back to #2's refutation. Please read it again because you might have forgotten it by now... Those are the major statements that you make. All refuted. Fun? I did this posts ago.... Let's hope GTO can read this time. And finally... Newbie: In this context a newbie is a player who attempts to have knowledge in a forum or post, in which he knows nothing about. It's also a troll. GTO proved himself a newbie by making wild guesses about ownership issues after I gave a thorough overview of past AND present (seeing another person's comments, which agree). N3wb. 0wned. Sit down. There is nothing you can do to come out of this ahead anymore. Just stop posting. You think it is trash talk based on nothing when in fact it is based on your being an idiot. *sigh* I wish I could play a nice song in this thread. I have a couple already picked out. I miss those days...

I guess GTO is illiterate for not reading any of what I had written despite the fact that he quoted it. Isn't it strange? I directly said that the SS history was pertintent to the rest of the thread NOT to his post, but he goes on some arrogant determinant troll about how his post is about everything when in reality it is mindless drivel. That's right. It's mindless drivel because in the end it isn't saying jack and -*BAD WORD*-. How much clearer do I have to be for an idiot to understand? From his own posts it can be inferred that GTO has not read the SS license, has not understood anything about SubSpace or Continuum ownership, and is speaking out of his -*BAD WORD*- like a troll. Furthemore, this makes him a newb. This has already been said in all my other posts, but I guess I have to be even more blatant about it now. GTO is an idiot. His very words, quoting himself, make no sense whatsoever. Ownership lays in the hands of owners, but I did not say that the programmers of anything were owners. I said the exact opposite. Someone really needs to learn how to read. He also did not take the hint that I did not compare his post to SS History, but called him a newb because he does not know jack and -*BAD WORD*- about anything in SubSpace. I have proved everything with facts, while he has shown no evidence, which supports the claims that ownership does not reside in BDE's hands. The point of all my posts is that SubSpace is not freeware or shareware. It's not even technically abandonware yet, because the source and rights are held by a single en!@#$%^&*y: BDE. Thank you for playing, now go away and play some -*BAD WORD*-ty little super zone that you started playing in. Bottom line is that once again you prove yourself an idiot and newb. I doubt that you can change that with any further trash that you post in this thread.

Hence why JeffP was hired by SoE to create a SubSpace rip-off, but make it NOT SubSpace. If he made VIE settings then SoE would have been sued, which is my point. In order for people to fully understand the ownership it is important to discuss the development of SubSpace to its current inception. Furthermore, "ownership" "really" does lay in the hands of who owns it, and thus the history is important because the ownership of SubSpace has changed hands three times. It was important when Priitk and Ekted developed Continuum, and it was important when the SSC* formed years ago. I "proved" GTO wrong twice about the ownership issues. However, yes I agree with GTO's point when it comes to different people not affiliated with BDE programming client/utilities/servers. But that is obvious. People not affiliated = not affiliated. Yay. Have fun with common sense. That was not the intent of the original post, which directly stated ownership of SubSpace to Priitk. I respect GTO for his clarification of what he wanted to say, but the fact remains that he is still a newb in comparison. What confuses me the most about that post is the last sentence, which seeks to pervert "logic". "By my own logic"? WTF? My posts conveyed historical evidence in order to clarify for everyone reading the ownership questions. I made one commentary/critique about RISC and Horizon, but that was made purely in jest at both of their failures. Bottom line there was no statement that I made that makes the point: program a client leads to ownership. It's simply not there. In summary, I explained why discussing history was important to this thread. As well as point out the original intentions of GTO's post as read, AND the farce that was his troll-like attack upon my character. Furthermore we found out that GTO was incorrect in his first posts about ownership, and corrected to say that he meant a more obvious common sense statement about programmers. There really is no purpose left to this thread. Ownership issues were cleared up on the first page with my first post. Any moderator want to close this thread and perhaps delete everything up to my answer as extraneous information?

*sigh* There are so many ways to respond, but we'll try this one. "...the company that actual owns the rights Ozaq2 is actually a seperate company that happens to be owned by the same guys who own BDE. Ozaq2 was created for the sole purpose of managed VIE US !@#$%^&*ets after they dissolved. The Ozaq2 owners are business guys as best as I can tell. They aren't game developers per se, just managing the intellectual property. Their sole purpose in doing the deal was to be able to do things such as re-license properties. Given that, their current move to actively do something with subspace does seem a little surprising. They didn't buy the VIE US !@#$%^&*ets for the purpose of getting subspace though...subspace is just one of the many things that came along with the deal." - JeffP Risc, Horizon, nobody ever developed an official sequel to the game as owned by BDE. It just sits there in their hands. Continuum is by itself, as I said before, but it still falls into SubSpace. Editting/Hacking SubGame violates the original license through and through. We just had a non-formal agreement with BOTH VIE UK and BDE to do it (i.e. non-formal = they can take it away at any moment). Plenty of people probably still have that quote in their e-mail inboxes, and I think this came in response to a certain question from a certain newblet called Mr. Ekted. If you don't know SubSpace history, then it's safe to assume that you were not there to experience it. And hence "newb".

boredom.

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