People switching names to avoid ignore, then using third party programs to spam

[X`terrania]

Great. Ignore the fact that you were called out for spamming other chats.

[Hakaku]

Also, wtf did you mean by this line?

"I think the irony of the fact that you want to open your chat to the public, but won't, is funny"

I mean, should one person have the power to make one chat unusable? You can say, "Just change the chat name," but that doesn't work if you want the chat to be open to the public. You'd have to closely guard the chat name, and you wouldn't be able to tell everyone you wanted. This is especially bad for zones who want their chat to be known to everyone. But even outside of zone chats, we all know that SS is a community game... and chats help create communities, or just, you know, give them places to chat. They shouldn't be allowed to be ruined by spammers.

You keep repeating the fact that you want 'this chat' to be known to the public. Which basically says that it's not yet fully open to the public, because you have issues with spammers.

 

 

And no, I don't have any problem with freedom of speech or the people who use it (promoting means that you tell people it's a good thing). In fact, a lot of the original (racist) Penis people play/have played in the zone I do. It went from Laserman's deformation of words (you > yew ; do > dew), which of course came into !@#$%^&*ociation with 'jew' (yew > jew). Other players picked up on it as a joke, also adding !@#$%^&* to the list of words. I couldn't have cared less, but then it spread as constant swearing & racism & personal attacks (example 1). Penis was basically founded through SSRPG, and most of the players who were talking like that jokingly, were also part of the group. But now those people, as noted on Penis' chat, mention !@#$%^&* and jew almost every line they type, it's no longer something that's just funny, it's offensive.

 

And as we all know, freedom of speech has always had its limits (especially in regards to Hate speech)*, and I don't think SubSpace should lower itself in promoting these things. Next thing you know, we'll have SSC zones dedicated to pornography, and promoting crimes against humanity. (yes, this is stretching it far, but still shows a point - freedom of speech, freedom of expression?)

 

*As a Canadian citizen, I won't support the use of terms which are used in a negative, hateful or derogatory way against a particular group of people. You wouldn't talk like that in real life to kids, in your workplace, in a crowded subway train, or to the prime minister. There's no reason why you should elsewhere.

In Canada, advocating genocide or inciting hatred against any 'identifiable group' is an indictable offense under the Canadian Criminal Code with maximum terms of two to fourteen years. An 'identifiable group' is defined as 'any section of the public distinguished by colour, race, religion, ethnic origin or sexual orientation.' It makes exceptions for cases of statements of truth, and subjects of public debate and religious doctrine.

 

If you dislike the racist spammers on Penis, Hakaku, then why are you against stopping them?

Them = nearly everyone on that chat? How do you expect me to want to ban that many people, including you who support it? (that's sort of unrealistic)

Spamming and racism are 2 different stories, you came to this forum about spamming, not racism (I mentioned it because you basically asked for it by promoting it - which is relevant to your spam). And I basically pointed out from the start that your chat was a private chat (I won't debate this any further), so nothing would be really done about it. C'est la vie, move on in life.

Edited October 30, 2007 by Hakaku

[JDS]

this is war, and in war.. people get hurt

[Hoch]

One issue that bothers me with this... We do have 1 "rogue" ssc server who allows many non-listed ssc "dev" zones, and these zones have harbored a lot of this cross zone spamming from what I have been pmed by many players in the past. I sent most to the ban ops, and it went silent for a while, but it seems it has begun again. If the SSC rules say a local zone must 1st ban before a net-ban, than these zones can be used to do many of the things not allowed on ssc, and noone has any sight or control over it. I'm not attacking this server personally, but just saying that the rules that the "Subspace Council" says it upholds can all be broken and loopholes used. I'm all for development and private development... but why is it a non-listed "development" zone can get ssc with 0 pop, and not even a finished zone, yet the few (yes few) non-ssc who'd deserve a shot, are denied any chance at it...

If this is indeed the case, then I would say that this is an exceptional

cir!@#$%^&*stance, which then allows the rules to be read teleologically.

 

There is always room for manoeuvrability when exceptional cir!@#$%^&*-

stances apply, which would otherwise negate the rule itself.

 

A propos, I think MTN was hinting at the fact that all you had to do

was to try contacting him

 

-Hoch

[X`terrania]

Good call, Polix.

[Maurauth]

I don't see how this can even have a discussion about it.

 

Nobody switched names to evade an ignore.

And definitly, nobody used 3rd party programs to spam.

[Testtube]

I have network banned cross zone spammers before. if they take refuge in zones that are not kept up or empty its a auto network ban

[X`terrania]

Jesus Christ, Test.

[JDS]

you suck testtube. For no reason other than your suckage

[rootbear75]

you suck testtube. For no reason other than your suckage

Testtube, BAN THAT !@#$%^&*ER!!

Edited November 2, 2007 by rootbear75

[Hoch]

This thread has run over its lifespan. I can see little point in

keeping it open when a thorough explanation as to the inter-

pretation of the rules was given, along with its application

when exceptional cir!@#$%^&*stances arise.

 

In any event, it seems clear that on this particular point an

exceptional cir!@#$%^&*stance may exist, though no action has been

taken here. But it will be closely monitored.

 

Cheers,

 

 

-Hoch