Faither

Wow - a blast from the past! Seems like some people just never retire from Subspace, do they? ^^ I've also completely switched OSes and having to recompile wine every 2nd week to make Subspace run kind of killed the fun for me.

Lol @ ur sig ^^

Hosting events to get 17th back from the dead is the wrong approach.

Surprise, surprise! - That's how you get a zone running. And Sama, you should know better since you've been around for as long as i can remember ^^ The sudden change of settings led to a dramatic drop in population only buffered by the hosted event only players which at first (surprisingly) still were enough to attract new players. The drop in population still continued on though (with a slight hey-check-out-17th-new-settings-bonus spike). We've since then seen countless of changes to the even today still unfinished and totally imbalanced shipset with ships that totally lack purpose and function. The change to The Complex then only hastened an unavoidable too fast progressing trend. This event imo perfectly suited the theme 17th was supposedly based on (I might well be the only one with this opinion though)... Bummer the former base players of 17th had already been chased away and the map was too big for low population games. You could hardly see this event running properly which in turn again made players leave. I think everyone in this thread knows what has happened since then.

Bring it on!!! xD

I'll send you a PM with a link of my rar-ed Screenshot archive of 17th ^^

It was all Spark One's fault!! I was just curious who entered the zone and people kept on comming ( ;

Nicely done! Also nice to finally see some movement in 17th and someone with a perspective as to what will become of this zone. Cheers and keep up the good work. Greetings Faither

There's some things called the essentials NBV! Continuum's definetly one of those! ^^ See you around ^^

Happy New Year 2009!

If you want to use DX 10 you have to use Windows Vista. There was this guy who announced that he was working on a backport and reverse engineering it for older versions but I haven't heard any word for a long time. So, as long as i'm not mistaken or my information is out-dated you won't get to see your DX10 gfx.

I just hope he's familiar with the concept of sarcasm.

17th mostly died imo because of too sudden changes and on top of that non-motivated ones. Of course there are always those players who like to see something new so Zeke completely renewed the unique shipsets of the zone which attracted new players but at the same time upset the old player base of the zone. We've always over the time heard voices calling for a new map and/or game style of this zone. The most drastic change of this can still be seen in a zone now called SSC The Complex. The idea behind this game/map/zone is great! The decision to make this the public map of 17th was the most drastic one. Which again shook the very the player base, attracted new players and made old player base leave. The Complex even fit the war based theme of 17th better than no other map did ever before and had it received more support from the staff at its time (Matrix and Mav pretty much were on their own) it could have been successful. We've since then seen rollbacks of maps and settings. Nothing refreshing, nothing ground breaking just a half arsed changes to attract new players to the zone. But a zone doesn't populate itself. You need to put in far more work and effort than only change the map to make it successful. You can't populate a zone by hosting events that have nothing to do with the zone itself as soon as 4 players have entered. The basic idea and foundation of the zone has to be the fun to play public arena. This is what 17th could provide in the past and what 17th lacks nowadays. The current public map of 17th is designed for a player base of 20+ players. The center of the map does not fit a low population zone and is player unfriendly with nearly no players playing the game. You can't just blow yourself up if you spawn half way across the map. Soccer games with 2 or 4 players is no fun at all. There's no tactic you and/or your team could follow in a map of this proportions... The center of the map is inaccessible, all fine for 20+ but not fit for lower pops. Where's the fun in turf style flag game when one is tapping and the other one immediately retapping... I've known and played 17th for a long time. I've staffed and developed events maps and zones. To sum things up and come to a closure: 17th is missing a clean design philosophy and that is why this zone is and will remain dead.

Yep...

Hahahahaha ^^ Btw... get your i-net connection rolling!

When's that exactly? (;

Don't say sitting in pub fails! 17th spec chat was most popular in the older days. Don't you dare deny this!! Netbios, Pernille, Meks, q-p, Geedion,... xD !@#$%^&* it was great sitting in spec in the days ^^

This!! But i haven't seen most of those guys and gal around lately )= It was soo much fun the old days. I miss the spec chat the most. 50 players in pub, 30 chatting in spec (-;

olo High Mahkah! Sup?

Interested in a low-pop-kick-!@#$%^&*-noob-faither-coded-bot-hosted-event? ^^ I'd really like to play it again once in a while... but then again... Need to get permission of one or the other before i can submit the event. On top of that I'd be selling off my rights on this event to you (17th) which, from past experiences with other events submitted to 17th, I didn't like. Oki that might just make no sens at all but it's 2 am and I didn't get sleep in ages... On top af that i'm discussing a topic through the forums with myself brb busy shooting myself gn8

Woah deserted..!! ... places wherever I go! Before you guys start thinking about a new league you might consider updating the Homepage and add a few more players to the game in general. The last 'news' post from the zone's homepage is from sometime in the mid-ages of last year (; And of course you might also want players to participate in your league. Therefore starting with a ffa tournament (just the events) where you gradually might want to add winning points to the game which will then let you/your team or whatever you want to call it qualify to join an upcoming league. But still: It's a lot of work that needs to be done in order to get something running. You can't just come and say: Hey let's have a league next week. - Well at least not in the current state of the zone. Start a league to attract players to come and play in the zone just won't do. Build up a community first then start thinking about leagues! - A first step towards this goal would be fixed events hosted at a specific time of day. But not an ER asking: So lads! What you want hosted. - but make fixed days and times for the events you might want to start an upcoming league with. And try to get the news spread to the SS community!

Why can't he just have his name back? Everyone knows Meks = Maynard = Meks and the name Meks is far more often used in referring to him than is Maynard. Though imo making this a public threat wasn't that great of an idea XD And i think i know why it is handled the way it is now... )-; Bah ne way... i know Meks since forever i can remember, good luck dude! Rofl Maka! and yet rofl Meks ^^

A) Faither has played the zone lately Faither remembers C) Vile didn't understand what this post was about or is playing dumb D) Maurauder didn't get my post either, but still more than vile did as he at least scrached a point i had though the interpreting was wrong E) DaKillerRoach hissa, jups it's been a while... How are you doing? Just think about it! At least, give it a try!

That's what I keep telling for how long now? Well test the settings elsewhere and stick for the time being with the old ones. Or: Keep on playing with settings... How about this: you make jav's speed the way it was b4 you and zeke started messing with the settings (eg. one of the more faster ships) let it finally have x as many requested it in these times and give it some portals... This way you can start adjusting the settings from scratch again.... wait... they haven't really been adjusted in a few months... But hey... this way you'd have at least a bit of the living circle that once made 17th so fun to play for me back... all agains jav! You'd still have to adjust the thrusters a lil bit since jav would be pretty fast then and not really stronger... but you still could decrease the bulletfireenergy... that would make up a lot! Instead of trying out the so called settings adjustment in public try playing with settings in a subarena starting with a '#'! You still can calutlate the damage dealt and taken using a calculator! From what i read in this threat... you are merly playing around with settings... therefor playing around with the zone and the people. Current Levi with lvl 3 bullets ^^ good game! I hope you read it and finally start thinking b4 acting!