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MMmmm i remember when reload came to this zone and i turned him gay and took his virginity <3

The rules we need so players can read them and decide weather to obey them or keep away from the zone, and for staff also to have clear knowledge of rules. I wouldnt want 17th staff contignuing its mistakes and abusing. The rules are one of the most important things that this zone lacks. About the zone news: Why the -*BAD WORD*- are they updated daily? Its very annoying to get that popup just to read that its christmas tomorrow or pernille got a new bf. Update it when you have something IMPORTANT to add to it, and by important i mean things that everyone should know (like changes of zone rules). And keep the inside jokes and stuff in your staff chat, not in zone news. Thx. -Hece

omg i dont like all this racism agains nazis, theyre all dead, let them rest in peace. -Hess

Totally agreed. Bring back the old settings! -Hece

Amen to that.

What this zone needs is complete zone rules, now staff is making the decisions weather something is illegal or not and giving out random punishments to players. The problem is that we dont have a set of rules which players might read and obey, seems like even staffers dont know the rules, they are just doing what they or theyre fellow staffers think is right. The rules would be an agreement between players and rule enforcers. The only bits of rules that players and staff can agree and obey are the 10 commandments and mod protocol. Staff has a problem obeying mod protocol, and 10 commandments do not cover much of the rules there should be. Imo a good age limit for staffers would bee 18 years. And still there are childish powerhungry abusers that are 18 or older but those can always be axed from staff. After all staffs job is to serve the players and keep the zone playable, not to start fights and abuse their powers. About mod protocol: Every staffer should be told to read and obey it, if they fail to obey it the will get a punishment, if they contignue failing to obey the protocol they should be axed. Thats enough of a motivation to read it atleast. And how to monitor this? Players should always ?logbuffer meepmeep.txt when a mod is abusing them and contact higher staff. And ofcourse everyone else can report abuse to higher staff if they see it happening. -Hece

Well he's not a freak like you who plays less than a year and makes 378 posts. He has a live, you don't. And if Staff hires YOU, then everyone can make it into staff. 2 and a half years actually and I made it into staff because I have experiance and the want to help the zone. Think about something before you say it, and its liFe not live. Theres a f there. Get your grammer right also Okay newbie. Be quiet and listen when reload is speaking. And plz don't tell us you have 'experiance' because its not an english word (this is what you get for -*BAD WORD*-ing about other ppl's grammar problems)..And for you having any experience? pfft, i got just one word for you: NEWBIE. -Hece

Maka is totally right. Nice to see that you have courage to say all that in here. And thx staff for not banning maka for that, you really surprised me with that, next step is to talk about this issue without locking threads. Here some are some issues i would like to be discussed: "Changing jav settings, changing league gameplay", "Changing pub ship settings to be too much based on special usage and so making the gameplay unbalanced" "Staff censorship and general bad at!@#$%^&*ude towards the zone and players" "Abusing mod commands" nice to see you jim and prem -Hiic

"only meaningful difference"? omg. You don't think bullet damage, recharge rate or bullet cost make the ship totally different? Well i havent played 17th for a while, did u change the same jav to all arenas so there really are no meaningful differences between them anymore?

lol stmadhaha pwns

I totally agree with you. Its always best way to develop by letting the players choose because they know best. I have said this since they started changing things but staff just does theyre changes without asking any1 but themselves. Developing zone doesnt mean shaping OLD events to suit your own fantasies and it doesnt mean changing pubs ship settings to suit your own fantasies. If you really want to develop, make new events like staff used to do. Lets take for example EO's -*BAD WORD*- and Hostage events, he didnt want to put those ship settings on rumble arena or in pub, he just made new events with new ship settings, what so difficult about that? Please learn to respect old popular events and people that made them by leaving them be as they were. Please learn to respect players because they might have been in this zone much longer than you and they are not in spec all the time so they still have some touch to the settings and stuff.

who the -*BAD WORD*- are you rice? stay on topic please.

I would say that the fake jav (in rumble and sbljav map for example) has better acceleration and maybe is slightly faster. Rotation speed is much higher in the fake jav too imo. (im not gonna talk about bullet cost, recharge rate or bullet damage now) Well these are not facts, it just feels like that.

I sure hope so, Vile. I hope that the old Terrier gets back..I used to own in that thing, but I can't even kill a single person in the current one. hehe i remember you pwning with the terr 8 mines and 3 repels with red bullets -terr you mean? that was a najs terr

And staff has really strange at!@#$%^&*ude towards development, "hihihi lets do this to see if the newbs even notice muhahahah". Is this how much you respect your players? That kind of -*BAD WORD*- works only because most of 17th players are newbs thanx to Staf*. Even the idea of cahnging jav in the first place came from staff, players had no problem with the old jav. The fact that most popular events are _jav events_ is because players really liked the ship. Deleting polls and changing settings without even telling people? Nice! Changing jav settings just a little bit and keep it secret? Nice! -*BAD WORD*- I should have supported BD when the real developers started it.

Havent played jav in ages in pub. Now that i did it, it felt like it was the old jav. But why does rumble have this weird jav then?

ffs it says "newbie" under my name. I want "The Smiley God" back

I wish as many players as possible would respond to this topic and some of them might fill me in on some things. Some time ago (maybe an year or more ago) Staff decided that pub should have different jav, this raised some discussion on forums. Most players thought that jav was the only good and balanced ship that actually needed some skill to master but anyways jav got changed to suit other ships. The old jav had been appreciated by players from rrl season 2 to the day it got changed. I actually don't have a clue what that jav in the rumble map is, it sure isnt the old jav. I don't know if there was any discussion about that rumble jav b4 so please fill me in on this. Its fine for me if pub players want to play with the new jav but atleast let us have the old jav in events. Rumble is an old popular event, please let it be like it was. If you want to play new events with new ship settings make new events and new ship settings but dont ruin the game from everyone. Then one little thing about rumble map. Rumble map was changed some time ago because the event was so popular back about 1-2 years ago. The goal was to make a bigger map so all the 50 or so players could fit in but it really now looks much smaller than the old one. The current rumble map is a vulching map, you hardly ever see fair 2v2 fights there (if there is more than 2 teams in). It also has these small places where to hide till you are full so you can backstab some1. Now rumble isn't so popular (propably because of the map and jav settings) as it was, so the old mavyns rumble map would be just fine for it, you would also see some fair 2v2 fights with skill there. You can check old jav settings and old rumble map at ?go mavyn. Would be cool if it got hosted some day so even new players could play in the old rumble map with old jav settings. PS. Mavyns rumble map isn't the first rumble map nor is the jav in there the first jav so don't get angry at me for calling then the "old" jav and rumble map. Fujins map with his jav is at ?go fujin. Check it out too!