Knight

As hard as this is to admit, JDS is right. The only incentive to lure in new players at this point is by word of mouth to people you know. And with our aging population, it's very hard for most of them to go to their 20+ year old co-workers and friends and start off a conversation with "Hey, wanna go shoot little 32pixel characters on 10+ year old game?... I'm sure that'll go over well. Unless someone in the near future comes up with a gimmick to get more people to play (google advertisements or something) we're pretty well doomed. And by doomed, I mean lack of a large influx of players. I whole-heartedly believe the majority of players are so hard in their addiction to this game that SS will be alive for years to come. (provided something drastically stupid doesn't happen ^^)

Off topic \/ Sorry MTN. Spoiler! --Click here to view--If you read the original topic, you have to directly quote it from a log file, not recopy it from a post... nice try though. [cslp] SiNIN> bah Aquatis> humbug SiNIN> bah SiNIN> !!!! Aquatis> humbug C 1:One X> pretyped ? SiNIN> .. SiNIN> whgyt P host: (Hackysack) (sniper): bounce C 1:Combine> ya C 1:One X> lol SiNIN> why Spuds. entered arena C 1:One X> host boom The 'boom' event is starting in 1 minute! Type '?go boom' to play! --Combine C 6:MetalMod> [ HOSTEVENT ] boom started by: Combine C 1:One X> YES Xorphitus left arena Khite left arena teh Nuts left arena Spuds. left arena ArcticxWolf entered arena [/cslp] Just used a random conversation as a test and it worked fine.

Someone just admitted to using E-Dating chatrooms. *nods* Congrats.

Idiot of the year award.

I suppose I'll be hated for this, but I'm actually quite displeased. I own both an xbox, and a ps3 (as I'm a !@#$%^&*)... And I find that the PS3 sales (why now climbing) are near abysmal in the race between nintendo, microsoft, and sony. (Atleast in north america... apperently the ps3 sales world-wide are quite nice). Anyways, the Final Fantasy series one the corner stone in my opinion of the sony enterprise. You can always garuntee the addicts (like myself) would buy a system for that game. I would have if I didn't own a ps3. As would alot of people I know. I think in the whole Square Enix made the best call for their sales. While probably destroyed sonys hope of a christmas release to send the ps3 sales through to roof. All in all, It's probably the best coorperate move for sony. Whatever, I'll own a copy a week before it comes out. Bye now.

ipod touch for the win... update is kinda pissing me off. But all in all, worthy buy... People willing to blow the hundreds a month to use the iphone, instead of the free touch services, are morons though.

If viro gets active, we may not make last for once

Ha, ?message Kn|ght:Ban Ba$h please!

Haha, I just want anyone to shove their boot up Ba$h's over-packed squad this year Been awhile since any of those guys had an ego check XD

Saw the first one years ago. He's done a few trips now thanks to the stride gum company commercial. They asked for NOTHING in return either. Quite an amazing feet. Would love to go to even a fifth of the places he has been.

*nods* MG's only real "League" in my opinion. I may actually get off my !@#$%^&* for this one Look forward to ruling you all

The SSCC Server went down at midnight. I've left messages for both of the server admins, could be a bit. Please be patient. Thank you.

Hm, suffice to say it's a large-scale server issue, everything has been backed up regardless. I'll wait until freakmonger gets on and posts before I spew some uneducated re-hash of what I've been told. Server maintenance is not my speciality.

But their we are back into the grey area of access guidelines, and people like... oo this entire topic voice their opinions. I'm not against developers having access (atleast skilled ones)... but there is even a limit to that. We need clear cut guidelines BEFORE we start making exceptions, let's see how the forum goes before we try to ratify it for the future. Most people on this topic generally seem to think it's a bad idea. Atleast thats my take. Just let it develope a bit before we start over-complicating anything.

It's not ones pre-biller crash that arn't being removed, it's all in general. ?messages simply arn't going away, I'm up to 7 sitting there, it's quite annoying, but I think we can handle message spam until we get the biller back... or someone will fix it when they can't recieve them anymore

Since I'm not going to argue the matters that have been rehashed 25 times over. I'll just respond to the part that is ether directed at me, or I can comment on. First, yes, I believe the developers can and probably would be a good help to _some_ of the things discussed on the forums. That being said, maybe there is some middle-ground to what developers could have access to. But isn't there already a developement board here? !@#$%^&* isn't there one for every specific form of a developement project too This place under my impression is simply to help SSC Sysops, and "leaders" (to be as generic as possible because I don't care about the access list) to communicate better. If it ends up serving no real purpose. Then no harm done. If it gets used and is helpful, then all the better for us. In the end, why is this such a big deal? O.o This is for cerium, incase you missed the "political" reasonings behind it. I don't really think it's up for debate either. But that has never stopped anyone before.

Thanks, I guess O.o

Can't say I didn't see that coming. Childish antics. Get back on topic before akai hurts himself. *hugs*

Disclaimer - For those of you who don't frequent the MG boards, or talk to me in-game. My literacy is of a horrid nature. I use way to many commas, and my wireless keyboard doubles letters, and in some cases moves them a few spaces. Quite ghostly. So if you want to degrade my post based on the grammatical correctness, it's your choice, but heh, I doubt I'll change it or care. Well, time to post I suppose. I've been avoiding replying because whenever my name gets tagged onto something it tends to only go south in terms of reputation. Sorry folks. On that note, this is just my take on it, seeing as I havn't spoken to BG or Ace, or any of the SSC admins involved in running the show. Also note, like all my posts, this is long as !@#$%^&*. So skip everything but that last one if you arn't interested. Hacks/Cheats: It has been made quite clear that discussion of how to cheat/hacker , or cause glitches, errors, or subgame "bugs" will not be discussed. Simply because lack of publication tends to be one of the biggest deterences to anything bad actually happening. It's always been a general SSC policy not to publicise how people cheat. So for whoever on these forums said that developers/programmers should get access based on their experiences with the "quirks" of subgame... that is not the intent. For generalised methods of preventing cheats... It has been brought up of more secure methods of dealing with some issues... zone sysops can easily p!@#$%^&* on messages from the developers to the forums. Or more then probably know of it if it's been implimented in their zone. Most of the developers could potentially help however, that's not my call. Public events/developement projects: (mainly in refrence to the cross-zone event) I personally see the "SSC Forum" (as I believe that is the new name) as more of a stop-gap measure before publicising anything. It's not ment to create a closed-gated developement process of anything. But before anything is made public, is it not better to have the people who inevitably will give it the "okay" (atleast in this refrence) to do so before getting peoples hopes up? I'm not saying it'll be the end all-be all of decision making. !@#$%^&*, I doubt many people on the forum have much say in anything biller-wide. This just helps anything that can be done through other means, get done easier. Just a tool for communication. In that regard, the cross-zone event has barely been scratched as to the method of it being done, let alone everyone who will hop on the bandwagon or contribute to it. I'm under the impression though, that once we have some basic understanding of if it will actually be done, who is going to be involved, and what zones. Let alone how it is managed... it will be publicised for public developement, input, and opinions. Location: It's been stated quite a few times, but seeing as people only read a few posts before commenting, the simplistic reason of us not being hosted at ssfn (this forum) is because of some political stan point. I havn't been told what it is. Seeing as this is not an attempt to drag population from ssfn, nore try to compete with it. Location is pretty well a mute point, nore is anyone required to register to the forums. If anything is every publicised of developemental relations, or public opinion, I'm pretty sure it'll make it's way over to ssfn for a larger more diverse input anyways. This just helps the zone administration and their ilk to access information. It's all political folks. Creation of the forum: Simply to compliment the large number (or so it seems) of in-game admin-type chats already available to most sysops. This method simply allows people who arn't on the same time-frame as others, or who are newer (like aceflyer, for instance) to learn from more experienced folks (like hoch). Being new shouldn't negate your chance of getting access when running a zone. It should be a positive notch on the perverbial belt. They could do with the most help in running their zone, or asking for !@#$%^&*istance in issues. Access to it? This could have gone alot better. Having clear-cut guidelines would have been the best bet from the begining, but it's been handled pretty well, and considering the administration of the board is still taking input should go a long way in showing that they are trying to make the best of it. As for who and why, I'll leave that to BG and those good folks to decide. Frankly I'm not suprised people are upset about a closed-access forum system. But at the same time, if anything sensitive is discussed there. I think there should be a limitation to what gets put into the publics view. Let alone re!@#$%^&*urance to the people who have access to know they can talk freely about problematic people/issues, without being attacked by those people, or about those issues. As for why a smaller zone would get access to something like this... I don't even see why this got brought up by someone. Why would a smaller/no population zone need access? Because they have no population! If this forum is to freely help spread information, then perhaps these newer sysops can learn from the veteran administration in better ways of drawing population from no where, or how to handle issues within their zone with better effeciency. Why Ace? Heh, although it seems like a whole power-play by aceflyer I somehow doubt that was the case, but who am I to say that, I don't know what the guy is thinking. Personally I don't care what his motivations are either. Atleast he's motivated and doing something towards helping the community, or !@#$%^&*, even helping a small handful of people. (for those who coninue to believe this is just another attempt at segregating the players from administration). In the end it's all about personal opinions about ace or his method of advertisement. Perhaps it could have gone another way. The guy has apologised enough. Cut him some slack already. Cerium: Sorry for singling you out, but every time you post it seems to be some way of saying it won't work, instead of you finding methods to help out. If you don't like it, take your own advice and move on. Albiet your at!@#$%^&*ude is helpful for developemental purpose, and bug squashing. Nothing is ever perfect from the begining. Let them solve some issues before you start nit-picking everything anyone has done. Not everyone is perfect. Atleast they are trying Why should you care? Stop trying to find reasons to hate it. There are alot of issues that need to be resolved perminently. However if your sole motivation behind hating a forum you never need to visit is because you never need to visit it... You need to just move along I honestly don't see why this is such a big issue to most people. If you don't like it, then don't bother with it and let it go. If you think it's such a bad idea in general. It will die, and you won't have lost any sleep over it. Give the administration some time to work out the bugs, and come up with some perverbial iron-fisted method of guidelines to manage it. Nothing in SS has ever been done with no glitches.

I saw this coming when the GTA3 came out... O.o

I've talked to KT in-game. Doubt he'll find much in it he likes mind you...

Anyways, I'm gonna leave now... I generally stay out of the spam boards no matter what forums I use. Later days folks.

mmhmm, I'm missing your point on the second part? That topic is... 4-5 years old. Care to clue me in why you posted it, other the my already known illiteracy. And uhh, I at no time said I'm 30, Never have I ever said my actual age, and I doubt I'll start now. And I was refering the packages, and the map revert. Though, I'll admit the public (most of) wanted the map change before I did. Meh. Uhh, who? Are you that stupid? Misty Dawn. I'd also love to hear fr akai. Another unbiased point of view. You're so cute terr. I love the fact you think you have an impact on me what-so-ever. *hugs*

Some things need to be set straight. 1. Testtube is the owner of MGCTF. 2. I became a sysop in 2002 promoted by jc, svs, and oden. 3. That log about hawtness is completely true. 4. I'm not significantly older then hawtness, so you are !@#$%^&* right I think she's good looking. I'm male... fire me for it I am quite happy to be hated by half the zone. Every time I change anything developement wise in MG, or suggest anything. Everyone of the vets (which are also the ones who mainly use our forums ^^) hate me for it. Since mine (and freakmonger's) changes were implimented, our population nearly doubled it's weekly totals. Considering MG was hiting 60 population a night, now it's hitting 90-100... Well, I'm... err... sorry? I've told testtube, I've told kirk, and I've told freakmonger. If any one of them thinks I'm having a detrimental effect to MG I'll resign my "rights" in MG on that spot. PS: x`terr... how does it effect you, you are banned from MG for har!@#$%^&*ing an underage female player. And handing out her real life personal information and nude pictures... !@#$%^&*o?! (sorry to the people at ssforums, especially swift, polix, and syrus... They posted this on my forums too expecting me to lock it and get a rise out of me... And they got ignored by everyone)

We did it on the MG forums, and problem solved. Mind you it can be alot of work. Set admin validations on, then designate 1-2 admins to recieve ?message's from in-game accounts to verify. This way if someone screws up, they are liable both in-game and on the forums ooo endless possibilities for bans. Plus, considering how localised of a population we have. I wouldn't put it past polix to block out connection attempts from a hub near your location, or infact, a city. God knows SVS banned both the sympatico, and rogers IP-Range...