Honest to god, I stopped reading this thread a long time ago. But eventually it gets to be a pain. I read the 1st part of Evil's post and considering Suic agrees with him as well.. I'm going to say I agree as well. As for MWarrior's post.. MWarrior, I understand the whole perspective of him trying to input his suggestions, etc. into the zone, I personally have no problem with that. But eventually it gets to the point where it actually starts to stop being suggestions or whatever and starts to be classified as Whining. Like honestly, A while back, he asked me to explain common sense things... Doc has already said that it's not going to be put as a rule.. so why are you guys still complaining about it? If there was a suggestion part towards it than this thread would have been over a while ago. Let me clear this up. If you suggest something, it's a suggestion, you have the right to back it up. But when it's declined or put down. Than there is no reason whatsoever for you to continue. That's just how it is, and if you don't like it. Than just leave ... no one's forcing you to do either. As for you Doom, why can't u just leave it alone already?... It's not going to be changed, It's already been made final. Before you asked me to explain something that was common sense, and I didn't because I didn't feel like going into such details about something you knew but just wanted me to explain, so before you bother to tell me to explain this or whatever.. let me make it as clear as possible. Stop Complaining/Whining/Suggesting or whatever you want to call it for the no shipchanging rule. It's already been declared that it won't be made as a rule. And if sometime in the near future, Doc or the rest of the mods ever decide to make it a rule, than you can feel free to put your input. But gawd, leave it alone already, before I have to close the thread and stop it myself. Now, 1 last thing, I've taken a quick glance at whatever you've said. You've made your points and it's simply not going to work. Part of this game is to have your own strategy and if you wish to expand your strategies throughout your friends, peers whatever you want to call them.. teammates.. than feel free to do so. It's just like taking down a turret, you devise your own strategy or plan by using whatever you have to take it down, even if you have to do it single handedly. Learn to play and stop complaining. Simple as that. And please, don't break my paragraphs up into small parts with another HUGE post. Example: Go ahead? That was something you had posted when you broke down my paragraphs.. but that sentence was clearly referring back to the other points I had made.