I'm confused about what you are saying Delic. Which projects (besides Complex) were prematurely introduced? It seems like you are criticizing other staff for keeping the zone population above 1. How does that ruin the zone? Now I will quote you a couple times: "You did have people working actively with you. Maybe I'm more picky about who I choose to work with. I don't like working with complete strangers even though I've been forced to do it one time" AND THEN - " I've been lucky enough to receive some support from noriaki and a guy from TW that I don't even know." Seems incongruous. Especially since the staff list when emb was HSysop are all known people ( I saved a copy of moderate.txt before we quit). Anyway stop hating, that's the point. The zone's average population is 1.5 according to the graphs. Until that number goes up, the zone is dead and there's no point for people to go there. It's sad, I think many of us will miss it, but it's also the truth. That being the case, I hope it works out for you Delic. It would be nice to see people there again.