Political Bans in Metal Gear

[spin]

 

 

Hi everyone -- Spinsanity here!

 

Well, It is official....

 

Metal Gear zone Bans people for "talking about politics"

 

This according to a guy that calls himself Testtube----- he imposed A ONE YEAR BAN on me for "talking politics"

 

He claims "talking politics" is Metal Gear rule, but there is no mention of this in MG rules list.

 

I understand why racism, or other abuse would be banned ... BUT FOR TALKING POLITICS ????

 

I am !@#$%^&*uming this testtube guy is a rabid mindless bush supporter, who has a fascist bent to his personality

TestTube's version of a leader

 

 

I can !@#$%^&*ure you I was not

1. disrupting the game play

2. being abusive

3. being racist

4. spamming (or otherwise taking up too many lines)

 

In fact I was very much contributing to Metal Gear, even being a top flagger in the brief time I have been playing. I even recommend people in my chats to try out this zone.

 

Before Testtube banned me, I was getting censored... being silenced for up to 1000 or 3000 minutes (could not get massages, or talk to my team or use other functions)

 

Earlier, a green public message up "You will be silenced for talking politics" warning the whole arena that political conservation is not permitted, meanwhile talk of racism goes without punishment in Metal Gear.

 

It seems in a game where there are shots fired and the enemy, and the fact that President Bush lied us into a illegal war where over 1800 of OUR troops have been killed, its a GIVEN that politics would crop up... especially when we have Limbaugh, Hanity, Savage, O'Riley spreading their propaganda and mis-informing the American voter.

 

I would like the larger Sub Space community to voice your opinion, either ALL zones should ban players for political comments or they should not. I encourage you to monitor Metal Gear zone for further abuses.

 

Thanks to all

Spinsanity

 

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[Trained]

Thought I disagree with it, zone owners have their own rules, and there is nothing SSC ops, or other people can do about it. Bluntly, if TT wanted to ban you for talking politics, then you shouldnt talk politics, maybe he dont like politics, maybe he didnt feel like hearing it. You should of taken the warnings seriously and stopped while you were ahead, like I said, zone owners can run the zone the way they want.

[MonteZuma]

On the face of it, a one year ban seems harsh and unreasonable. Anyone that didn't want to listen could have ?ignored you.

 

But what can you do?

 

Maybe vent your political views her instead?

[Manus Celer Dei]

I have to agree with trained on this one.

[»SOS]

As was said, you can be banned for saying "cheese pie" if that's what a zone owner wants. It's his zone, he can do whatever he wants.

 

Of course, on the other hand, I do agree that this sounds like (since I haven't seen any logs, I can't be too sure of the situation, but still) a very pointless ban. I've known Testtube for a while and I do think him capable of committing innumerable accounts of childishness and pure foolishness, so I certainly believe he could have done this exactly as was said.

 

Even if a person is being disruptive, any decent sysop should silence him instead (with a bot, to remove any chances of byp!@#$%^&*ing it), especially if he's a valuable addition to the gameplay.

 

On the other hand, if you were silenced before (you say you could not receive messages? That's not what silencing does, so I'm a bit unsure about this...), that might have caused you to be disruptive when the silence expired, so there might have been grounds for a ban. I have seen no logs so I can't say whether it was fair in my opinion but whatever the case, sysops have the right to do whatever they want with you.

[Hackysack]

Since Im actually from MG I can give you guys the real reason Spin got banned for speaking politics on MG. Every time he gets on MG he'll spam pub with things like "bush lied people died" then he would give some bull 'statistic' and wait for someone to start arguing with him. He would do this for hours everyday and mods kept getting messages such as. Please stop political talk in pub. It was annoying spam that was being spread through pub. Mods got sick of people whining about it. Im actually the one who told spin to try to take his argument up on here, just because there is no reason to argue politics on a game let alone SS when there in a SS political forum section. good day

[Trained]

Oh, so the truth comes out huh spin? :\

[spin]

Heavy Spin Control Going Into Play

 

Hi everyone, Spin here!

 

Image of Hitler Youth programs 1940s in Germany:

http://www.hermes-press.com/hitler_youth2.jpg

TestTube's vision for people in Metal Gear zone.

 

Right before TestTube used a rule to restrict more discussion in SSForum.net in the SSC related forum (forum was locked-- was it to close to home?), he said the following...

"This has been discussed already on the trench wars forums and judging by the replys over there iam surprised he had the guts to post again"

SSForum - SSC related topics

 

TestTube may well be right! Perhaps America is turning away from Democracy.

CBS reported not long ago...

"Support for the First Amendment has eroded significantly since Sept. 11 and nearly half of Americans now think the cons!@#$%^&*utional amendment on free speech goes too far in the rights it guarantees, according to a new poll."

LINK

 

Here is a stat that reflects the mentality of some that support my one year ban from Metal Gear.

"75% said that as part of a classroom discussion, public school students should be allowed to express views that others might find offensive, but just 27% agreed that students should be allowed to wear T-shirts with messages or pictures that might offend others."-- LINK

 

 

Remember WHY I got my one year ban from Metal Gear, I was banned for talking about politics, NOT spamming.

 

Here is the rule TestTube used to ban me for a year (or earlier used to censor me from chat - and my ability to talk to my team)

TestTube published the following....

"As this is known by most by some its not. please keep political discussions out of pub chat in the game thanks" - TestTube

LINK to MG forum

 

A player from Metal Gear Speaks his mind - in a "free speech zone" - the SS forum.

 

http://www.hermes-press.com/Jingo.gif

Hackysack

 

Hackysack has a fairly correct version of why I was banned, but insist that it was spam (I was not spamming and I was not banned for spam)....

 

"..things like "bush lied people died" then he would give some bull 'statistic' and wait for someone to start arguing with him. He would do this for hours everyday and mods kept getting messages such as. Please stop political talk in pub." And he concludes "..there is no reason to argue politics on a game.."LINK

 

I think a lot of people take issue with Hackysack's last statement, aside from the fact that President Bush lead us into a war that has cost billions and many lives, all on very questionable pretenses, there are other reasons to do what I do, as arcader said in the forum that announced TestTubes "no politics in Metal Gear rule", ...."yah wtf, aruging and flaming is the basis of all fun in ss, especially in an incredibly limited zone game wise, such as metal gear.", which anyone that sees what I do is doing just that, in the context of game play. If at any time someone starts in on a specific subject or is jamming up the pub chat, I take it to private messages.

 

Why would Hackysack say what he did?

 

Well there are two reasons that Hackysack does not want to admit, even to himself.

1. Mods rather than telling the complainers not to cry wolf, some may see a opportunity to enforce a special rule from TestTube.

2. I think the second reason speaks for itself... from the link where TestTube rolled out the new rule

Hackysack stated the following....

"TT's to do list:

-Ban Spinsanity for constant politcal talk in pub

-remove shraps

-bring old tile sets back to pub

-make me mod"

 

Will Hackysack become a mod in Metal Gear?

Will I get my one year ban lifted?

Will Metal Gear ban another for "talking politics"?, censor of chat?, a warning from a mod? ---it may be YOU !

 

Watch what you say and where you say it - some people with power sometimes abuse that power - sometimes in Sub Space!

Spin.

[MonteZuma]

[Bak]

Shut the !@#$%^&* up spin or i'll !@#$%^&*ing netban you. This isn't america, it's a private !@#$%^&*ing server with private !@#$%^&*ing rules. The government isn't paying for MG's server and the government is not paying for TT's time to run the server. How do you even know the server is in the USA? Stop comparing TT to Hitler you ignorant !@#$%^&*. One banned you after four months of warning and the other committed genocide. You're insulting the lives of millions by doing so. These things are common sense; it's as if you've never had your rights taken away before, whether it be not being able to wear beer shirts in high school or not being able to call cops "!@#$%^&*holes" to their face without going to jail.

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[spin]

Bak, hehe wow powerful stuff!

I'll edit this post later,

 

But here is a teaser...

 

I am not comparing TestTube with Hitler!

I compare Bush to Hitler...before you reply, do a lil research!

I compare TestTube to a brownshirt or perhaps a German back in 1933 that was a little carried away by Hitler's propaganda.

 

I am sure I am on firm ground when I say.... the best why to honor the death's from Hitler world view would be to prevent this from occurring again.

 

I write more later, but for now I just wanted to clear the air a bit!

See ya soon Mr. Bak

 

"If we don't believe in freedom of expression for

people we despise, we don't believe in it at all."

-Noam Chomsky

[Bak]

http://www.hermes-press.com/hitler_youth2.jpg

TestTube's vision for people in Metal Gear zone.

 

I am not comparing TestTube with Hitler!

I must have thought you were comparing testtube to hitler because this was hitler's vision for Germany, which parallels hitler to testtube and metal gear to Nazi Germany.

 

And why the !@#$%^&* are you bringing Bush into this when trying to dispute a ban?

 

There's a reason testtube can ban you: he pays for the server. If the Metal Gear community paid for the server they might have a voice in what rights are given to them or who is in authority, but they don't. The reason you have rights in america is that earlier generations of americans gave their lives for our freedoms. You have given nothing to metal gear; you have no claim to any rights there.

 

I am !@#$%^&*uming this testtube guy is a rabid mindless bush supporter

You were banned for being annoying. How can you infer that TT is a bush supporter from that?

 

Anyways stfu or i'll internet-ban you for a year.

[Trained]

Three letters for spin: pwn; I agree with bak

[»SOS]

I do not really agree with spin nor bak

 

Although I'm beginning to think there might have been good sense in banning spin from MG.

 

Spin, a word of advice: drop the propaganda-style writing! Nobody will ever take you seriously like that, even if you might be saying the truth.

 

If I was a moderator here, I'd definitely clean up or delete you posts. Their only goal is to stir up conversation and anger. (Although, I must admit, in the midst of all this Bush-Iraq-Whatever crap, seeing something SS-related is quite pleasant.)

[MonteZuma]

I think spin is kinda funny.

 

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[Kolar]

Don't bother with him. I would just ban him here, he's about to get it on the Trench Wars forum if he keeps this up.

 

 

Anyone who hasn't seen his crap wouldn't understand, it isn't a real political discussion he wants. He only spams anti Bush macros to piss people off. His MG ban wasn't about politics, he's a spammer and a forum troll.

[Aileron]

Monte, quit enjoying this....removing all these images is annoying.

 

I actually think zones should not allow discussion of politics or religion in pub, under the old saying "Don't discuss politics or religion at a party."

 

A lot of times these subjects tick people off, and then people argue, and then they spec so that they don't get distracted from argueing. Not only will political discussions spec your pop, but it also makes it unenjoyable for everyone else.

 

 

 

spin...a little advice...you are also going to be banned here if you don't respect other posters. (Testtube has made one post in the gay marriage topic two years ago.) The arguements haven't settled over the rules yet, so I'd also advise being respectfull of Bush, and coming up with better arguements than inserting his picture into a morph program.

[Bak]

I'd also advise being respectfull of Bush

bush is a !@#$%^&*, he lost any respect he gets from being the president when he invaded iraq because of "weapons of m!@#$%^&* destruction". Unless you meant repsect him because if you don't men in dark suits will drag you off and hold you in "Club Gitmo" indefinately without charging you with anything (I don't think it's gotten that bad, yet).

 

And Aileron, why are you censoring the political forum? Those pictures were meant as satire; anyone who doesn't see that shouldn't be discussing politics. Anyways, they diluted his argument about the ban.

 

I actually think zones should not allow discussion of politics or religion in pub

You're not going to swing the moderates by discussing politics on political forums. People who come here are pretty solid in their views; you're not going to "convert" someone who isn't so solid about their views unless you discuss it with them.

 

Given that, the zone owners are still free to do what they want. MG's already lost one player because of their policy, and if it happens to others it will make a dent in their population.

[Aileron]

Libel is not protected in any country's laws and nor will it be protected here. Monitering libel is not considered political censorship...if one must speak out, one is oblidged to ensure that his or her comments are true.

 

Obviously there is a fine line between satire and libel. That line is the line between that which is true (or possibly true) and that which is false.

 

Though nobody was fooled, two of those images were labeled incorrectly...satire should be labeled as satire, not as "A message from the Department of Homeland Security", hence the fine print at the bottom of a lot of things. This a cheesy technicality ofcourse.

 

A better reason is that it is not the stated function of the Department of Homeland Security to censor media. The Federal Comminications Commision is the agency that moniters censorship. If the image's message was to say that the FCC is censoring too much or that the government in general was censoring too much it would have been satire. However, the image concerned the Department of Homeland Security, which doesn't censor anything. Without proof to the contrary, any statement that claims that the Department of Homeland Security is censoring speech would be false and thus libel.

 

George Bush is not the same person as Adolf Hitler, nor is Bush a known member of any nazi organization. Anything that makes the claim that George Bush is the same person as Adolf Hitler or that Bush is a nazi is libel because those statements are untrue.

 

I don't care what you say or what images you put up as long as it is based on the truth...the images I changed were based on either lies or hype. If you want to say that the Department of Homeland Security is silencing you, either use a factual image to support your arguement or make an arguement to support the image. If you want to compare government to nazis, either use factual images in your arguement or support the image with your arguement.

 

 

 

 

If you wish to debate the proposed rule, go to the politics forum rules topic...as I said the rule on respecting world leaders is still in debate, and thus has not been finalized yet.

 

Remember, that was a bit of friendly advice anyways, not any sort of official warning.

 

And don't think this is a politically biased rule either...various laws of inevitability state that republican leadership will not last forever. As a matter of fact if certain overzealous federal prosecutors made a personal point to respect the presidency it is likely that President Clinton would not have been impeached.

[spin]

Hi again everyone, Spin here!

 

Can you smell it?

 

The following 14 points of Fascism is derived from comparisons of Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, Suharto, and Pinochet.. The original link sites GW Bush's actions, policys, wars, and new laws to indicate just how far we are sliding off the right side of the scale and into Fascism. So Bak and Aileron, to answer your angry little rants-- Yes, you can link Bush to the above leaders, not just Hitler.

 

"And why the !@#$%^&* are you bringing Bush into this when trying to dispute a ban?" - Bak

But Mr. Bak, your little rant continues to inspire me!

The original article talked about Bush--- lets make thinks interesting, lets apply what I have observed in Metal Gear and in protest to get my excessive ban lifted to the article-- we will leave ol GW out of it!

 

Oh, and Mr. Bak as a bonus I will clarify another question of yours....

"I must have thought you were comparing testtube to hitler because this was hitler's vision for Germany, which parallels hitler to testtube and metal gear to Nazi Germany." - Bak

 

Mr. Bak, someone told me awhile back.. "Wanta-be fascist exist in all countrys, in all walks of life... the trick is not to let them get any power."

 

Well, sometimes you can't avoid them, sometimes the people vote for them, sometimes they own a server.

 

14 Points of Fascism

 

1 Powerful and Continuing Nationalism

Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

 

A lot of people supporting TestTube sure like to "wave flags" in their comments.... but quickly throw out half-baked corporate-legal type of reasons for the actions.

 

 

2 Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights

Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, !@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*inations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

 

TestTubes "no political or religious chat rule"

TestTubes's one year bans he likes so much. (I'm not the first guy!)

".. metal gear; you have no claim to any rights there." - Bak

 

 

3 Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause

The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

 

My political talk, while true, seems to be in the minority-- I get the word "liberal"thrown at me even if I am expression a liberal opinion or not.

I sure seem to be a scapegoat, I am not the only one that talks politics in Metal Gear.

 

 

4 Supremacy of the Military

Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

 

Not much to say here, after all Metal Gear is only about people shooting one another.

 

 

5 Rampant Sexism

The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.

 

Sure a lot of people callen other people "gay" as a insult in Metal Gear.

 

 

6 Controlled M!@#$%^&* Media

Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

 

Well I was censored for my pol ital talk in Metal Gear.

You should also note my post in the forums was locked in 2 of the 3 places I posted!

 

 

7 Obsession with National Security

Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses

 

TestTubes net ban threats.

"Anyways stfu or i'll internet-ban you for a year."-Bak

"Don't bother with him. I would just ban him here, he's about to get it on the Trench Wars forum if he keeps this up."- Kolar

"Remember, that was a bit of friendly advice anyways, not any sort of official warning." - Aileron

 

 

8 Religion and Government are Intertwined

Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

 

Metal Gear escapes this one... they ban any talk of it!

OH--unless it is to smear Islamic people... thats tolerated in Metal Gear.

 

 

9 Corporate Power is Protected

The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

 

TestTube owns Metal Gear, no one can hold TestTube accountable.

 

 

10 Labor Power is Suppressed

Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

 

TestTube treats the players like workers to Metal Gear, with TestTube being the owner. Even posting in forums that are outside the scope of Metal Gear will be stopped before more people voice their opinion (in 2 out of 3 forum sections)

 

 

11 Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts

Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.

 

Heck, some even call it spam!

 

 

12 Obsession with Crime and Punishment

Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations

 

When it comes down to it, everyone in the SSC network is subject TestTube's unjust punishments. As it stands now, one guy with a server can overrule the others with no recourse. This fact is the only rule in Sub Space when it comes down to it.

 

 

13 Rampant Cronyism and Corruption

Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and !@#$%^&*ociates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

 

SVS the Metal Gear sys op happens to be also the guy that locked out the discussion in the SSC forum.

Hackysack goes along with my banning as a way to buck for a promotion (mod)

 

 

14 Fraudulent Elections

Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

 

Well- no elections in Metal Gear, according to Bak and others... "There's a reason testtube can ban you: he pays for the server. If the Metal Gear community paid for the server they might have a voice in what rights are given to them or who is in authority, but they don't. The reason you have rights in america is that earlier generations of americans gave their lives for our freedoms. You have given nothing to metal gear; you have no claim to any rights there."

 

Elections in Sub Space? !@#$%^&* no, there are not even rights, rules or community ---only the owners!

 

See original link to see how these points relate to GW Bush:

 

See also:

Link Link Link

 

 

 

I know what TestTubes objective is by my one year ban, he wants me to admit to him I broke a rule. Fascist want their subjects to come begging on their knees to get "justice"-- and you know what? I did nothing wrong-- and I'm no fool.

 

I know what people abuse their authority expect when they get some dude on their knees before them. Its been done to others before and it will be done again.

http://www.rationalrevolution.net/images/kkkdc1.jpg

All the people taking up "TestTube's ownership rights" are people that call themselves American.

Look what has been created in Sub Space- Does it look American?

Some think so!

Does it stop once your out of Sub Space?

Or do they follow you into the forums?

Does it stop when GW Bush is gone?

Or will the neo-conservatives simply replace GW with another cheerleader to shove down our throats?

[LearJett+]

90% of the things you said happen in all zones. You say all this stupid stuff about Bush, but you don't even say anything bad that he's done...

 

You think you know all of these 'facts' about Conservatism, but you just utter garbage from your mouth. Try actually researching some of the political topics that you discuss... and when I say researching, I don't mean from www.ihatebush.com.

 

There is a political forum for a reason. Use it.

 

You are fighting a winless war, Spin. No one is going to un-netban you. You're just further digging yourself into the hole.

 

Quit while you're behind.

[spin]

LearJett

1. No one can lift a owner imposed ban, even if they wanted to. I wonder how much it would cost to buy a unreasonable owner out?

 

2. The reason there are excessive bans is to make the person banned come back and suck someones member. I for one don't do that.

 

3. That 10% is a !@#$%^&*.

 

4. Your smart and honorable and brainwashed! You got your head so far up that elephants butt that you self censor yourself (ie.. brainwashed) Anything that is a threat to your mindset you have been trained to dismiss as "liberal". For example, you say Bush has done nothing wrong, but when you are faced with links that do!@#$%^&*ent otherwise, you don't read it because "its liberal", and your view of 'ol GW remains the same, fresh and ready for another lesson from Limbaugh This does not make you dumb or evil, simply self-censored. I have given you several links in 2 topics (this one and astro's) and as of yet you have not looked at them. To prove my point, the one that was !@#$%^&*led "Neo Conned" is written by a Conservative Right Wing Republican in Congress, but yet you read the !@#$%^&*le, stopped there, and labeled it "liberal". Hitler, Bush, Limbaugh- they love people like you, they don't have to work too hard.

 

 

Quick note to Aileron-

Limbaugh, O'Riley, Hanity, Savage, Coutler and the entire staff of Fox News MUST BE SWEATING BULLETS OVER YOUR NEW DEFINITION OF "Libel" LOL!

Also.. posting in the rules forum didn't get very far, the sys op of Metal Gear runs that section and is no fan of free speech- true or not.

 

And a note for both of ya...

Bush hasn't done anything wrong? No connection between Bush/Hitler?

READ, THEN verify the links I have posted. Also note that Prescott Bush got busted via the "trading with the enemy act" for funding Nazi Germany while we were at war with them. THATS PATRIOTISM!

[Hackysack]

If this topic doesnt show the stupidity of spin, I dont know what would. Spin you try to make everyone who disagrees with you to be nazi's or evil people. Its quite a pathetic attempt to try to make your point seem to have any importance. It has no factual information in it. How do I know what reasons for your ban are? Could it be that Im not only on squads with mods, but also 'friends' with some. I happen to be 1 of the many people who sent a message to mods to stop the political talk. As far as you not spamming, I might be able to find a screenshot of your spam. There will be no one talking about politics, then you come in and say some stupid thing to bash bush and then when someone responds to your ignorance, you go and you copy and paste things you get offline. Its quite sad that you have yet to make your own arguement rather then taking someone eles'. Anyways more on your ban, its funny that you're claiming MG to be a free speech zone. Last time I checked there were always rules of things that are ruled offensive and things that are just no allowed in pub. Did you know writting in Cap Locks is also bannable? So shut up spin, you were warned, and you continued to do so. So its not TT's fault your ignorance is far to big for mods to handle. As far as me becoming mod in MG, I have no interest in it. Why would I want to put up with a bunch of whiney 12 year olds? Im already syops in my friends zone. Thats all I need. If I dont like you, I reserve the right to ban you for as long as I wish. Such as people who didnt leave our zone when we were testing it. They're currently banned for a year. So before you go on to talk about abuse in MG, think about other zones. As far as bringing up TT's ownership, he not only runs the zone, but pays for its expenses. Meaning, he could do what he wishes with the zone. He could dissolve the zone if he really wanted to. So stop !@#$%^&*ing just because you cant win.

[Bak]

Well, sometimes you can't avoid them, sometimes the people vote for them, sometimes they own a server.

Sometimes they provide you with a free service. If you want freedom of speech, or any freedom at all, go play infantry for $10 a month.

 

A lot of people supporting TestTube sure like to "wave flags" in their comments.... but quickly throw out half-baked corporate-legal type of reasons for the actions.

What the !@#$%^&* are you talking about, newbie?

 

the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need."
TestTubes "no political or religious chat rule"

How does he "need" that rule? He controls the server and has absolute power over it. You're political comments aren't going to disconnect his ISP. Make sense next time.

 

3 Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
My political talk, while true, seems to be in the minority

No one is rallying around to get you banned. They're rallying around you shutting the !@#$%^&* up. And there's nothing wrong with being called a liberal, why you mention it is beyond me, extremist.

 

4 Supremacy of the Military
Not much to say here, after all Metal Gear is only about people shooting one another.

Point? Stop stretching everything you can find to make it fit your 14 piece puzzle.

 

Sure a lot of people callen other people "gay" as a insult in Metal Gear.

You're a !@#$%^&*. Shut up before I ban you from the internet.

 

6 Controlled M!@#$%^&* Media
Well I was censored for my pol ital talk in Metal Gear.
You should also note my post in the forums was locked in 2 of the 3 places I posted!

You were banned for being an annoying !@#$%^&*, not for you extremist political talk.

 

7 Obsession with National Security
[color=red]"Anyways stfu or i'll internet-ban you for a year."-Bak[/color]

STFU or I'll e-ban you forever

 

8 Religion and Government are Intertwined
they ban any talk of it!

Let's contradict outselves more.

 

TestTube owns Metal Gear, no one can hold TestTube accountable.

Exactly. What you want is the governments regulations being applied to a private server. That's an impediment on HIS rights.

 

TestTube treats the players like workers to Metal Gear, with TestTube being the owner.

WHAT THE !@#$%^&* ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

 

11 Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
Heck, some even call it spam!

WHAT THE !@#$%^&* ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

 

When it comes down to it, everyone in the SSC network is subject TestTube's unjust punishments. As it stands now, one guy with a server can overrule the others with no recourse.

No, because if testtube started netbanning lots of people unjustly, he would lose his ability to netban and the players would be unbanned. Also, SSC is hardly the only biller and I'm sure there are several billing servers that would love to steal some SSC zones if they didn't like that half their population was banned by TT.

 

 

Hackysack goes along with my banning as a way to buck for a promotion

WHAT THE !@#$%^&* ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

 

Elections in Sub Space? !@#$%^&* no, there are not even rights, rules or community ---only the owners!

We call those the zero population zones. The players control which servers they play in, a server without players is a dead server. Hence, if you want the right to be annoying, or want a zone that follows it's rulesword for word, go play in a zone that does that. That's the only the power you have.

 

I know what TestTubes objective is by my one year ban, he wants me to admit to him I broke a rule.

No, he wants you gone for a year.

 

You're trying to limit testtube's rights when he buys and pays for a server that you can use. He hasn't singled you out for race, sex, or any reason other than being annoying, which is something you could have changed in the FOUR MONTHS of warnings you were given.

 

I think there's a limit on the number of quote boxes I can use. Anyways I hate ripping post up like this, but you're just being a moron.

[MonteZuma]

I think there's a limit on the number of quote boxes I can use. Anyways I hate ripping post up like this, but you're just being a moron.

Yeah. I've noticed that. It sucks.