Dav Posted April 11, 2005 Report Posted April 11, 2005 Seeps the elections are getting near i thought we were in need of this topic so here it is. Its quite interesting to see how close labour and the conservative parties are atm in the polls: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/vote2005/po...tml/default.stm so who are you voteing for and why? My vote is going to be for the liberal democrats for the following reaons: 1. They plan to abolish university tuition fees and fund without increacing the student loan interest rate2. they will make council tax more fair by intoducing a new system3. they have always been against war in iraq4. they want to improve their green policy On a more personal level in my local area: 1. they lead the fight to stop the expansion of stansted airport2. they are against the biulding of thousands of new homes in a small village that frankly cant take anymore people as it is.
Arianax Posted April 12, 2005 Report Posted April 12, 2005 Lib dems will get quite a lot of youth votes, but it wont be enough to make a huge difference. Only way to get Tony out would be by voting conservative, but Micheal Howards smile scares me... I dunno. Go Green!
Paine Posted April 12, 2005 Report Posted April 12, 2005 I'm too young to vote, but my vote would definately NOT go conservative. My mother works at a job centre plus, which the conservatives plan to make £1 billion from.. doing somthing to them which will make them less secure... which worries me. As for the BNP even being on the ballot... ugh... proof that democracy blows.
SeVeR Posted April 18, 2005 Report Posted April 18, 2005 I also know i'll never vote for the tories, they've messed up this country far too much. As for labour, they want to turn every adult into 20-25k per year earners in some sort of democratic communism.. everyone who earns alot of money gets tax-raped and everyone who is an unemployed crack addicted pros!@#$%^&*ute gets benefits up their !@#$%^&* enough to make them vomit 50 pound notes at the tattooists as they get 'Tony's My God' emblazoned on their left butt-cheek.. The lib dems will do anything for votes but who can blame them.. as long as they're somewhere between labour and the tories i'll be happy. (gets my vote) The Greens... well lets just say i have no idea what their policies are on education, the nhs, crime and the economy. So a no there. UKIP, no f***ing way. Any party that wants us to cut ourselves off from the rest of the world needs to rot in !@#$%^&*. BNP, aka Party for Racists. They've got to be represented just so we know how much of a problem we really have.
StockholmSyndrome Posted April 19, 2005 Report Posted April 19, 2005 Shame I can't vote Wouldn't go for labour, waste of time but they will get into goverment. Conservative I would vote for if I could simply because I would want my vote to count. Lib Dems won't make it into power - they are the choice if you don't want to get involved in Labour vs. Conserv but too many people already are vote only for each party. Greens - don't care UKIP - I completly agree with breaking us off from the EU and effectively 'going it alone' once more. Would mean we could toughen laws and effectively removed every bone idle !@#$%^&*, suicide bomber, random religious priest or criminal who leaches off the benefits. BNP - They should form up with the UKIP be a brilliant party then.
Dav Posted April 19, 2005 Author Report Posted April 19, 2005 All this lib dems wont make it but i like them worries me, its something of a visious circle preventing them from getting votes. They wiont make power but they can gain seats which will ultimatly mean more lib dem views are in paliment and pour laws so i dont see why this reason prevents people voting for them. If people are going to think like that it defeats the object of a multi party system.
StockholmSyndrome Posted April 20, 2005 Report Posted April 20, 2005 But people are selfish and only think of themselves. Everyone is directing (once more) at Labour and Conservative while the Lib. Dems actually have some of the better ideals in mind for the country. That means people are less likely to vote on those always seen as the under dogs simply because they feel their vote will be wasted. Now if everyone turned around and voted Lib Dems who wasn't sure or thought it might waste votes, it probably still wouldn't get them into Goverment and therefore, Labour most probably would... and you know how many people want Labour in goverment >___> So the best option people can see is to get Labour out by voting what could be either the best or worst thing - conservative. Listening to a Lib. Dem discussion yesterday, the guy was talking alot of straight forward things I wanted to hear and liked hearing. He didn't avoid or dodge the question; told it straight - which in my eyes would sway my vote anyway. Also killing tuition fees is something I REALLY need before I hit Uni lol (I'm estimated to come out with a 20k debt )
Aileron Posted April 20, 2005 Report Posted April 20, 2005 I know nothing of this matter and haven't been following the UK's elections at all, but... It sounds like you guys are being overly pessimistic. You only pay attention to your major parties' weaknesses and are ignoring their strengths. If they were really that bad, I'm sure somebody would have organized some effort to get everyone to vote Lib Dem by now. But that's the brilliance of having multiple political parties...if two or more are controlling the government, the weaknesses of one will be covered by the other. Its kinda like the difference between Superman and the X-men. If there's multiple superheros, then each individual doesn't have to all be strong, fast, or be able to fly, etc...they just need one of them to have a talent in that area that can cover the situation for everybody. The fact that these political parties have weaknesses doesn't matter as long as one doesn't dominate too much, because people are smart...they WILL follow the best suggestion taken at any given moment, believe it or not, and this even applies to members of Parliament. (Though they may take longer to figure the correct decision out than the average group of people.) So, focus on the strength of the political parties' platform and vote on that.
StockholmSyndrome Posted April 20, 2005 Report Posted April 20, 2005 Name a set of good things Labour have done to help students and young people :/ Or the old... Or the middle aged... But wait, if you're foreign it's all ok Labour is just making the same promises it made last time and everyone is scared the conservatives will make the same mistakes as before :/ But thinking of what Labour have been like I can understand why. The party to win it in truth should be the Looney Party. Vows like, introducing the 99p coin to stop change, making nice people not pay tax and not going to the Euro but instead getting all the other EU countries to join the pound seem brilliant ideas
Aileron Posted April 20, 2005 Report Posted April 20, 2005 That last idea is a good one...except Europe generally isn't stupid enough to get on board with it. the .99pp coin won't help...the stores will switch their prices to increments of .98 to be !@#$%^&*es. That one cent of change is the reason why the stores marked them down to .99 in the first place. Granted, back then they were trying to prevent clerks from pocketing the money, and the reason they do it today is that they are arrogant enough to think no one else knows that 1.99 + .01 = 2.00. Still, it shows that they care about practical issues, which really looks well upon them...I hope they get a few seats. It does seem like you are correct about the two major parties here...but I don't know enough about the s!@#$%^&*uation to really agree with you. Yes, I am a foreigner. Yes, this election means precisely dildo to me...but, when the US was having our elections, you annoyed us, so its fitting I return the "favor".
StockholmSyndrome Posted April 20, 2005 Report Posted April 20, 2005 The Loney parties real name is the Mad Raving Looney Party lol And basically, the Lib Dems really do have the best policies for the British people ('cept harsher and much stronger !@#$%^&*ylum processes and such like) but simply everyone believes voting for them is pointless - it's that simple lol. Conservative and Labour have always been the main parties, this election will give Lib. Dems some support but the majority will vote one way or another thinking by voting Lib. Dems its a waste of time.
Dav Posted April 24, 2005 Author Report Posted April 24, 2005 accually its the monster raving loony party. I dont know how the 99p coin came into this, they arent supposed to be taken seriously.
Paine Posted April 24, 2005 Report Posted April 24, 2005 How about we form a new party, the subspace party. Anyone caught not playing subspace between the hours of 7-8pm will be executed.
Raem Posted April 25, 2005 Report Posted April 25, 2005 Stick a Subspace ship on each of the 8 coins and 1 ship on each side of the 4 notes, each with various specials greened. Maybe base them on SVS settings...
StockholmSyndrome Posted April 25, 2005 Report Posted April 25, 2005 they arent supposed to be taken seriously. Thats maybe what they WANT you to think
Zeke Posted April 26, 2005 Report Posted April 26, 2005 Forget the May 5th elections, and come to Mexico for Cinco de Mayo! Last one there's paying the tab! At least, that's the party I'd vote for... - Z
Greased_Lightning Posted April 29, 2005 Report Posted April 29, 2005 ahhh so nice to have someone else's election being talked about... but as I am totally ignorant on these politics, I will shut up now
Aileron Posted April 29, 2005 Report Posted April 29, 2005 Erm...just make 7 coins...every ship except the Javelin.
Raem Posted April 29, 2005 Report Posted April 29, 2005 8 coins already exist though2 and 1 pound, 50,20,10,5,2 and 1 pence coinsand I thought the javelin would be most suited for coin form, seeing as they are the same colour
larrythehamster Posted April 29, 2005 Report Posted April 29, 2005 Well i would vote for the lib dems (if i was old enough)because i like their idea's and think they could benefit the country but where i am from, the candidate wouldn't get in so their is not much point because they have very little support. And the tories definitely shouldn't get in so labour would be my choice. The problem with this topic: we are all from different parts of the country (world?) so we have different politicians who will do different things for our different area's so it is hard to get an opinion.
SeVeR Posted April 29, 2005 Report Posted April 29, 2005 Even if you don't think the lib dems will win you guys should vote for them (unless you are under age in the last posters case). If you despise the tories and have lost faith in labour as much as i have then you need a new alternative and even if the lib dems don't win, your votes will turn them into one of the 'main' parties instead of just the third-place-wasted-vote party. If Lib Dems were as popular as the other two then we'd have a three party system which would be great because there would then be more pressure on the parties to get their policies right and give us more of a choice. Labour right now know they're gonna win because the tories are so well hated.
Dav Posted May 3, 2005 Author Report Posted May 3, 2005 i am very much in agreement with Sever on that one, even if a party cant win your vote may let them get another seat so the lib dem view is spread more throughout government, more lib dems to vote against labour and conservative views that we dont agree with. Thats the point of a multi party system, the MPs are supposed to convay the views of their cons!@#$%^&*uancy and what they were voted in to do thus (in theory) the views of the people are sent to the government to make the decitions. I like that idea (although it doesnt always work like that) and i think the Lib dems will do the best job with the economy and for the british people.
Paine Posted May 4, 2005 Report Posted May 4, 2005 In four years there will be a huge upsurge in lib dem popularity. Conservative voters are all old pensioners, so they'll die soon.Most of my underage friends plan on voting Lib Dem (and so do I) when we get a chance.And not a single !@#$%^&*er I know has any faith left in labour.
Dav Posted May 4, 2005 Author Report Posted May 4, 2005 its the same, i think libdems have been making a steady increace in popularity as of late because many new voters have support for them. Its also noone likes the tories and noone has faith in labour.
MonteZuma Posted May 4, 2005 Report Posted May 4, 2005 I resisted replying to this thread because the election wasn't getting much publicity, but I'm starting to hear more about it now...so here begins my 2 pence worth (+ VAT) everyone who earns alot of money gets tax-raped and everyone who is an unemployed crack addicted pros!@#$%^&*ute gets benefitsIs there something wrong with a taxation system that taxes the wealthy more highly than the the sick and unemployed? If you don't want some loser to pinch your new plasma screen, you oughta support a system that tries to help drug addicts. The lib dems will do anything for votes but who can blame them.. as long as they're somewhere between labour and the tories i'll be happy. (gets my vote)Based on what little I know about UK politics, I think I'd vote libdem too. Tony Blair and Labour seemed ok, but Blair's dishonesty over Iraq has spoiled his reputation. UKIP, no f***ing way. Any party that wants us to cut ourselves off from the rest of the world needs to rot in !@#$%^&*.Based on Wikipedia, these guys aren't isolationists. Their issue is with membership of the EU. Apparantly they support free trade agreements with the EU and other regions, but they just don't wanna be in the EU.
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