Paine Posted April 1, 2005 Report Posted April 1, 2005 Unfortunately, it appears that pope John Paul II has just hours to live... and by the end of today will probably no longer be with us. I just decided to post this topic so people can pay their respects to him. Also, don't take this as me being an !@#$%^&*, but, how do they choose a new pope anyway? Do they have a vote or somthing? Or is it based on seniority?
Dr Brain Posted April 1, 2005 Report Posted April 1, 2005 The cardinals vote on the next one. But I say we pull his feeding tube so he can "enjoy" starving to death.
»Purge Posted April 1, 2005 Report Posted April 1, 2005 I heard this in my barber shop this morning as to how they decide the next pope: Barber> How will they pick the next pope?Civilian> I heard they light an insence, and if the smoke turns out black, they will have no pope, but if the smoke is white, they vote on the carndinals. Barber> Ooohh, that doesn't sound so good. ...I'm !@#$%^&*uming that is wrong?
BG Posted April 1, 2005 Report Posted April 1, 2005 I heard this in my barber shop this morning as to how they decide the next pope: Barber> How will they pick the next pope?Civilian> I heard they light an insence, and if the smoke turns out black, they will have no pope, but if the smoke is white, they vote on the carndinals. Barber> Ooohh, that doesn't sound so good. ...I'm !@#$%^&*uming that is wrong?<{POST_SNAPBACK}> It's always white smoke - and the white smoke symbolizes a new pope has been sworn in/whatever. I THINK that the cardinals vote, based upon several criteria. I hope George doesn't take advantage of the situation, though.
Dav Posted April 4, 2005 Report Posted April 4, 2005 the white smoke is a symobol that the new pope is decided. As far as george dubya is concerned he should stay the !@#$%^&* out of it and im sure any govement will be ignored on the issue. John Paul II may have involved himself in polotics but this is an issue of the catholic church not govenments to decide and influence. Im sure bush will stick his nose in, he always finds ways into issues that dont concern america but i hope any influence he tries to add is ignored.
»SD>Big Posted April 5, 2005 Report Posted April 5, 2005 bush?? how does he fit into any of this, i don't think anybody would consider the states a catholic country.... in any case, half of the cardinals are protuguese and spanish, so if they hold out ( i htink they vote up to 8 times?), they could win with a mojority (50%+1%, as JPII changed it) and have a spanish or portuguese cardinal, which i could easily see happening, but they'd vote an old one in, so he doesn't reign for more then 10 years, then the italians can go back to having an italian pope.... let's not forget JPII was the first non italian pope.
Aileron Posted April 5, 2005 Report Posted April 5, 2005 I think its called a Conclave actually. The cardinals basically go into a room and they don't come out until the next pope is decided. No recessess, they don't get to go home, and any food or drink is brought to them. I don't know, or want to know, how they go to the bathroom during this period. Clearly, its much more efficient than any parliament or congress, because this arrangement makes it more desirable to come to a decision quickly rather than get the guy who's policies you favor in. Its not really a vote in the formal sense, but rather just until most people can agree on somebody. Basically, they stop when one candidate recieves such a large majority that everyone there knows that bothering to count votes would be pointless. Kind of like how a group of friends decide which movie to go to. I mean, the Catholic Church was founded millenia ago when the ROMANS were still in charge of the world. Many governmental styles occurred since then that it really becomes inefficient to model the church in any style. If they modeled themselves in one style at a certain time, and a hundred years later a new style of government came to dominate, the church would have to reform itself again and again. I mean, voting may be great today, but tomorrow it might go the way of emperors and kings, so meetings that occur seldomly and unpredictably like the choosing of a new pope really don't HAVE any set rules, becuase by the time they could get such rules set, the rules of the world change.
Arianax Posted April 6, 2005 Report Posted April 6, 2005 They get all the popy applications, and if they dont want it, they burn it and everyone see's black smoke go up, when they find the one they want, they burn white smoke.
Dav Posted April 7, 2005 Report Posted April 7, 2005 QUOTE(SD>Big @ Apr 5 2005, 07:46 PM)bush?? how does he fit into any of this, i don't think anybody would consider the states a catholic country.... in any case, half of the cardinals are protuguese and spanish, so if they hold out ( i htink they vote up to 8 times?), they could win with a mojority (50%+1%, as JPII changed it) and have a spanish or portuguese cardinal, which i could easily see happening, but they'd vote an old one in, so he doesn't reign for more then 10 years, then the italians can go back to having an italian pope.... let's not forget JPII was the first non italian pope.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> That is my point, but gatting influence and having a pope supporting the war on terror e.t.c wont be good news will it. IMHO polotics and religion shouldnt be mixed.
Aileron Posted April 7, 2005 Report Posted April 7, 2005 I think they should sometimes. Government and Religion are both necessary parts of our society. Not that I want cardinal/governors, but both are part of our society, so both have to talk to each other. Governments should stop running around acting like religion doesn't exist and doesn't affect their policies. It does effect their policies, will always affect their policies and should affect their policies. Governments represent their people. If the people are Catholic, the government should have Catholic policies, otherwise they aren't representing their people. As long as they don't make Catholicism the state religion or make it illegal to not be Catholic, they are doing what should be done. I'm routing for one of the African candidates. They are a lot more experienced with reality.
Dav Posted April 7, 2005 Report Posted April 7, 2005 I dont deny that religon has a huge impact on how the sociaty works, but they are dioffrent parts of it. My point is the govenment should not intefere with the internal runnings of the church and visa versa however if the people are caholic then catholic views should be used by government. Conversly if the people are multicultural then the church must lern to accept other cultures in sociaty. The people are the middle bit that both sides needs to please.
Greased_Lightning Posted April 12, 2005 Report Posted April 12, 2005 It's so funny to see non-Catholics arguing about who will be the next pope when all they do most of the time is spout anti-Catholicism. On topic now, if you wanna know how the selection goes here is a link:http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/1999/pope/selection/ Hopefully they pick a good one and you all can go back to bashing Catholics again ... ASSS... !@#$%^&*, now I gotta go to confession
Aileron Posted April 13, 2005 Report Posted April 13, 2005 Actually, it doesn't work like that with religion. Religions don't really operate like that. If they encounter another culture, it is their goal to convert that culture. If part of their population is off to the side culturally, they try to bring them into the center. That is why state leaders have to try to put some influence on this stuff...church and state function entirely differently and have to follow entirely different rules. They cannot honestly trust each other under such cir!@#$%^&*stances.
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