50% Packetloss Posted June 22, 2005 Report Posted June 22, 2005 Did you also hear she was blind? So her family is !@#$%^&*ing nuts if they though that she was smiling at them, she didn't see !@#$%^&*. I love irony.
Aileron Posted June 24, 2005 Report Posted June 24, 2005 Blind does not equal senseless. The doctors obviously couldn't open up her skull and look at her brain when they still thought she was alive. They function on giving treatment when there is POSSIBILITY of life. Suppose a plane flying over the remote artic ran into a storm and crashed. A rescue is organized and a helicopter is sent to the scene of the crash, but upon their arrival they find that all persons aboard the plane died in the crash. Would that imply that the rescue efforts themselves were a 'tragidy' (spelled 'tragedy') as Worthless put it and that they shouldn't have attempted the rescue? The rescue organizers did not know how many survivers there would be, and until they knew it would be best for them to assume survivors. Similarly, medical staff usually functions !@#$%^&*uming life in many cases. That is especially true for the general case. It would also be insane if physicians attempted to apply the Schiavo case to a general case, and merely removed feeding tubes every time the patient appeared braindead. There is no tragedy in this story...its just one woman dying. The tragedy would be using this case as an excuse not to apply medical treatment to future patients.
SamHughes Posted June 25, 2005 Report Posted June 25, 2005 What is interesting is that after the feeding tube was removed, if somebody charged in and shot her a dozen times in the head, it would still be considered murder.
white_0men Posted June 25, 2005 Report Posted June 25, 2005 Blind does not equal senseless. The doctors obviously couldn't open up her skull and look at her brain when they still thought she was alive. They function on giving treatment when there is POSSIBILITY of life. Suppose a plane flying over the remote artic ran into a storm and crashed. A rescue is organized and a helicopter is sent to the scene of the crash, but upon their arrival they find that all persons aboard the plane died in the crash. Would that imply that the rescue efforts themselves were a 'tragidy' (spelled 'tragedy') as Worthless put it and that they shouldn't have attempted the rescue? The rescue organizers did not know how many survivers there would be, and until they knew it would be best for them to assume survivors. Similarly, medical staff usually functions !@#$%^&*uming life in many cases. That is especially true for the general case. It would also be insane if physicians attempted to apply the Schiavo case to a general case, and merely removed feeding tubes every time the patient appeared braindead. There is no tragedy in this story...its just one woman dying. The tragedy would be using this case as an excuse not to apply medical treatment to future patients.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Analogies are horrible to use in arguments, but I feel this needs to be debunked anyway. 15 years. That rescue would have been an immediate response to a situation, not the final decision after 15 years of arguing. Would you really expect someone to survive a crash 15 years later? Would you still try a rescue operation 15 years after the crash occured if you've had no indication of any activity at the crash site? I certainly wouldn't. That's the problem with analogies, they can, and usually will, always fail a logical comparison of the two. Now, if you want to talk about the actual person, if they really wanted to save her they should have put her on ice until there existed a cure for brain damage, not kept her alive via feeding tube. I understand why they put her on it originally, but by the end they had to know how badly her brain was damaged, and how unlikely any kind of recovery could have been, or what her life would have been like had she recovered after say 10 years of being in a vegetative state. Legalize euthanasia! (and marijuana).
MonteZuma Posted June 26, 2005 Report Posted June 26, 2005 The doctors obviously couldn't open up her skull and look at her brain when they still thought she was alive. They function on giving treatment when there is POSSIBILITY of life.The CT scans showed that her brain had turned to mush. Nobody has ever come out of a PVS after 3 months. She was in a PVS for 15 years. She was beyond recovery and everyone that objectively looked at her condition knew it.
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