X`terrania Posted February 8, 2005 Report Posted February 8, 2005 Sure you may not support what he is doing, but he is a loving man. I wish people would say they do not hate Bush, just what he is doing..
Lupper Posted February 8, 2005 Report Posted February 8, 2005 because S!@#$%^&* likes him. that's reason enough.
Dav Posted February 8, 2005 Report Posted February 8, 2005 here are my reasons. 1. he never signed the keyoto agreement and doesnt seem to do much about polution meaning the rest of the world has to put up with his inaction. Being the richest country in the world you would expect him to be able to afford to give grants and ini!@#$%^&*ives to busnesses, inpose laws and cut emissions. 2. He won the first election with a minority vote, just doesnt seem fair to me. 3. the iraq war, my reasons here have been discussed so i wont write them again. 4. His damage to the US economy, seems as though he is ignoring thisaspect of things due to the "war on terror" . Seems like some priorities need to be sorted out here, sort out your own country before "fixing" others. 5. the way he uses his world power, the leader of the international superpower has alot of influence, it could well be used to call for an end to 3rd world debt, reliving fammine, bringing peace to people at war by hosting peace talks and offering all the neccacary support to both sides to put things right. Instead he goes on pointless wars...
MonteZuma Posted February 8, 2005 Report Posted February 8, 2005 As for his personality alone....I think he is incapable of seeing the big picture. He doesn't try to look at things from the viewpoint of others. He is ignorant, self-centred and cold-hearted. If I could give him 3 pieces of advice, it would be: * Use less haispray.* Wipe that frickin grin of your face.* Get a lobotomy.
Yupa Posted February 8, 2005 Report Posted February 8, 2005 I wouldn't call him cold-hearted, but he is definitely stupid which unfortunately often amounts to the same thing.
Aileron Posted February 9, 2005 Report Posted February 9, 2005 Well, that's X`terr's point. I never liked Clinton or Kerry. I think most of their policies were mistakes. I think Kerry is patriot and a great citizen, though he is just too left-wing for my taste. However, most of the left is taking this personally, going beyond dissagrement with Bush's policy and going to hatred of Bush as a person. I mean, look at these comments...hairspray, lobotomy, stupid? Those are PERSONAL insults aimed not at Bush's policy but at Bush as a person. Disagreeing with a policy is normal, that's merely having an opinion, but when you start dissagreeing with a person it is something entirely different. Its called hatred.
SamHughes Posted February 9, 2005 Report Posted February 9, 2005 Well, that's X`terr's point. I never liked Clinton or Kerry. I think most of their policies were mistakes. I think Kerry is patriot and a great citizen, though he is just too left-wing for my taste.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Left-wing? The Republican propaganda machine sure has worked well on you, because Kerry's a moderate.
Vile Requiem Posted February 9, 2005 Report Posted February 9, 2005 I personally would like to see Laura Bush come into Newark and clean up the gang problem. Then I can sell her right arm on Ebay for a cool half mill. And naturally, Bush's White House has been bribing journalists (with money, what else?) to write WH-friendly puff pieces. This defines the media as GREEDY. It does not have a bias of any type, except to report in a fashion that will make it cash. That is why the NY Times has a liberal slant in NY state, which as we all know is % democrat. That is also why you see "Shock and Awe" news instead of real journalism anymore, murder and sex sell. Ah, I'd love to live in a time where the networks didn't require their news divisions to be profitable.
PoLiX Posted February 9, 2005 Report Posted February 9, 2005 1. I have a few gay aquaintances, not really friends, but I know them, and talk to them from time to time. Not because they're gay, just because I don't see them much, and one is best friends with an ex who for no reason has problems with me. It is bs how he is trying to remove their right to live a long happy life with their partner and have the same rights as other married couples. 2. The only way I agree with him on banning abortion is the people who go have sex and just use it like a birth control. Those people should not be allowed to have abortions. Should limit it to 1 per person or something of that sort. Cause I've never personally heard of a girl getting pregnant 2x from being raped and such. I've also never heard of anyone who got pregnant again knowing they were going to have life threatening complications and such if they try to give birth. Putting limitations and regulations on it is the best idea, but not banning it totally. 3. The Iraq war should of been 2nd on his agenda. 1st would be trying to save our economy. Maybe he could be one of the 1st Republican Presidents that Washington State's Economy has actually survived, cause right now, he's killing it like nothing else. During Clinton's presidency we had one of the strongest in the country, and with our imports and exports were stronger then a lot of large countries' economies. Basically the same applies to California. But his tax laws, and allowing companies to get breaks sending work overseas has just killed us and skyrocketed our unemployment to an all time worse. 4. The refinery here in Washington State is just racking in the profits. We could be paying $.97 a gallon for gas, but instead they are being forced to follow the OPAC guidelines for their pricing, and are making almost 400% profit on every barrel of oil. It costs them almost nothing to get the oil down from Alaska and refine it up in Anacortes, but they are forced to charge much more then they could be. 5. Almost all of my family on my mom's side lives in Texas, and most are Republicans, but hate bush and say he !@#$%^&*ed their state up royally. This right here is one of the main things that really made me begin disliking the guy. Just hearing what he did to that state made me wonder wth he'd do to the country. 6. We are involved in too many conflicts, and really need to stop being looked at as the world police. "Oh crap, blah blah is attacking us and we don't really want to spend the funds to build ourselves up. No worries, the US will come save us". That's all a country really has to believe. If they can't protect theirselves, if the US likes them, they will do it for them. They'll lose the lives, and spend the money to protect them. 7. His use of connecting Terrorism to Iraq. Something that was actually on his agenda from the second he got presidency. This is the reason I actually believe 911 was a setup. Maybe Bush wasn't behind it, but someone knew more then they'll ever say about it. Look at everything that has happened, all our freedoms lost. Osama and Suddam had nothing with us losing those, our own Government took those away from us, and we let them because a majority of us believed what they said, and a majority of us now kick ourselves in the !@#$%^&* for it. 8. He pushes the boundries of church and state too much. So many of his civil connected laws and plans have too much christian influence. Abortion, Stem Cell Research, Gay Marriage, etc. All relate right back to the bible. What happened to the seperation of Church and State? I could probably go on, but I doubt half of people will read even what i've already typed. But this is just my opinion.
Aileron Posted February 9, 2005 Report Posted February 9, 2005 Sam, so Kerry is in fact as right-wing as Strom Thurmond and that the "Bush controlled" media just spinned it that way? Kerry is left wing...and whether or not he is moderately left wing or on the edge of communism is besides the point. The point of my statement is that I respect the man, just don't like the policy. The people who hate Bush hate the man and only disagree with the policy because the man supports it. This thread isn't about classical political issues, so I'll leave those comments as they stand. If anyone wishes to discuss abortion, gay marriage, etc. start a new thread or drag an old one out of the 3rd page or something. The real question is how do you go from disagreeing with the issues like Polix to just simply hating somebody like Akai?
Dav Posted February 9, 2005 Report Posted February 9, 2005 7. His use of connecting Terrorism to Iraq. Something that was actually on his agenda from the second he got presidency. This is the reason I actually believe 911 was a setup. Maybe Bush wasn't behind it, but someone knew more then they'll ever say about it. Look at everything that has happened, all our freedoms lost. Osama and Suddam had nothing with us losing those, our own Government took those away from us, and we let them because a majority of us believed what they said, and a majority of us now kick ourselves in the !@#$%^&* for it. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I doubt the US would engineer something so drastic intentionally. I think they knew it was coming and let it happen so the terrorism and iraq issue could go ahead with alot of support. Its hard to explain how an aircraft got anywhere near the pentagon without a squadren of fighters going after it. Its thought they did the same with pearl harbour, let it happen to get themselves support to join WWII
Dr Brain Posted February 9, 2005 Report Posted February 9, 2005 Hahaha, thanks Dav and Polix for a good read. I loved how all of your statements were for hating him were untrue. I especially loved the part about "seperation of church and state" in your post, Polix. Everyone else seems to hate him personally.
Dav Posted February 9, 2005 Report Posted February 9, 2005 i dont think personal hatred is suffishant grounds to hate him as a president, although his personal stupidity does show in his polocies. Brain, your telling me he did sign keyoto, went to war with UN support, had the majority of votes the first time round, kept the US economy as strong as its ever been (like the $ never got to 2 to each £ sterling) and bush is in now way using his power to make the US the worlds police? I dont see how my reasons are disputeable so pleace elighten me..
Vile Requiem Posted February 9, 2005 Report Posted February 9, 2005 X's topic itself refers to "Why do you hate the man, not the policies" As such, here's a good example why. Bush is not a cowboy or a nice guy. He comes from a long line of pompous pricks (Just look at his mom and his brothers) including his Grandfather (Prescott Bush) who traded with Nazis; the proper term for the Bush Family amounts to "Northeastern Yuppies". -He ruined the first company he ever ran, Arbusto. -He screwed the city of Dallas/Ft. Worth as the owner of the Texas Rangers (though in his defence quite a few owners have screwed cities over stadiums). -He ruined Texas's pollution controls as gov. In the 2000 Republican Primary, his campaign insinuated that McCain fathered a black child. -He played up a vendetta against California to avoid giving them federal relief for wildfires and the Enron scandal until Arnold was elected. He used 9/11 as a photo op on MULTIPLE occasions. -He's putting us so far into debt that by the end of his second term China and Japan will literally OWN us by buying our debt. -Countries all over the world are converting their currency to the Euro standard. When OPEC does (coming soon) thanks to the new Iran oil market, guess how much a gallon of gas will cost? Hint, 1.3 Euros = 1 dollar. Guess why there's rumors we're going into Iran?-He sent us into Iraq under false pretext after a botched Afganistan campaign in which we have failed to build and maintain ONE ROAD in that country, much less any infastructure. Thus, the afganistan people have turned once again to growing poppies, so he's lost the drug war again. -He's on the wrong side of President Chavez of Venezuala, which ironically enough legitimately (and democratically) elected him once again. He gives the drug companies handouts by disallowing importation from Canada and not creating price controls. -He wants to amend the Cons!@#$%^&*ution to DENY a group of people the right to do something based on what scientifically amounts to a Fairy Tale (The Bible). This only happened once as we all know, Prohibition, also an idea cooked up by religious wackos that failed. (Look it up, it's in any US history book).-He has an Attorney General that sponsors torture, and a Secretary of State that basically bungled everything she touched in 4 years.-He has done everything but suck Evangelical Christian !@#$%^&*.-Creating a Social Security mess that has been said to be "More compex then Hillary's Health Care"-Backed out of Kyoto Protocol, then has the nerve to talk about Hydrogen Cars in a SOTU address-Allowing Fox News to suck his !@#$%^&*, which in turn caused MSNBC and CNN to follow suit.-Screwing with the free press in general, paying off journalists and restricting access if they write anything negative.-Turning Al Queda into a worldwide organization that now has more members then when he entered office.-Cutting Social Security benefits under his plan, when many seniors live in poverty as it is. Let's compare this to everything Clinton did wrong:- NAFTA- Being a Playa- !@#$%^&*uming Bush would pay attention to Richard Clarke in 2000. I think we can see why I personally hate the man. In 5 years we've gone from being the undisputed #1 superpower to a weakened country that is no longer the economic standard in the world thanks to the devaluing of the dollar and involved in a self defeating war.
Dr Brain Posted February 9, 2005 Report Posted February 9, 2005 i dont think personal hatred is suffishant grounds to hate him as a president, although his personal stupidity does show in his polocies. Brain, your telling me he did sign keyoto, went to war with UN support, had the majority of votes the first time round, kept the US economy as strong as its ever been (like the $ never got to 2 to each £ sterling) and bush is in now way using his power to make the US the worlds police? I dont see how my reasons are disputeable so pleace elighten me..<{POST_SNAPBACK}> We're in the biggest economic boom in 20+ years. What more do I need to say? Add that to the fact that we just had the largest attack on the US homeland *ever*, and the economy being like it is is no small feat. Of course he didn't sign that treaty. Do you know what it would mean if we had? That treaty allows countries to sell polluting rights to other countries. That's why the rest of the world signed it, BECAUSE THEY MAKE MONEY by signing. And get who they'd make that money off of? Yep, us. What do you think THAT would do to our economy?
PoLiX Posted February 9, 2005 Report Posted February 9, 2005 Hahaha, thanks Dav and Polix for a good read. I loved how all of your statements were for hating him were untrue. I especially loved the part about "seperation of church and state" in your post, Polix. Everyone else seems to hate him personally.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> 1. I have a few gay aquaintances, not really friends, but I know them, and talk to them from time to time. Not because they're gay, just because I don't see them much, and one is best friends with an ex who for no reason has problems with me. It is bs how he is trying to remove their right to live a long happy life with their partner and have the same rights as other married couples.Is it me, or has this not been on the news that he wants to ban same-sex marriage? And was this not a huge point in the Presidential Campaign? 2. The only way I agree with him on banning abortion is the people who go have sex and just use it like a birth control. Those people should not be allowed to have abortions. Should limit it to 1 per person or something of that sort. Cause I've never personally heard of a girl getting pregnant 2x from being raped and such. I've also never heard of anyone who got pregnant again knowing they were going to have life threatening complications and such if they try to give birth. Putting limitations and regulations on it is the best idea, but not banning it totally.Was this not said in his campaign a few times, and has it not been stated lately? 3. The Iraq war should of been 2nd on his agenda. 1st would be trying to save our economy. Maybe he could be one of the 1st Republican Presidents that Washington State's Economy has actually survived, cause right now, he's killing it like nothing else. During Clinton's presidency we had one of the strongest in the country, and with our imports and exports were stronger then a lot of large countries' economies. Basically the same applies to California. But his tax laws, and allowing companies to get breaks sending work overseas has just killed us and skyrocketed our unemployment to an all time worse.I live here in Washington State man, trust me, our economy, here atleast, has never been worse. Our unemployment rate reached a new all time high, and staggers just below it right now. 4. The refinery here in Washington State is just racking in the profits. We could be paying $.97 a gallon for gas, but instead they are being forced to follow the OPAC guidelines for their pricing, and are making almost 400% profit on every barrel of oil. It costs them almost nothing to get the oil down from Alaska and refine it up in Anacortes, but they are forced to charge much more then they could be.Actually, this is true. The manager of the Refinery was on the local news talking about this. 6. We are involved in too many conflicts, and really need to stop being looked at as the world police. "Oh crap, blah blah is attacking us and we don't really want to spend the funds to build ourselves up. No worries, the US will come save us". That's all a country really has to believe. If they can't protect theirselves, if the US likes them, they will do it for them. They'll lose the lives, and spend the money to protect them.It's pretty obvious that we are the World Police. Someone ASSS with someone, and we go there to help. 8. He pushes the boundries of church and state too much. So many of his civil connected laws and plans have too much christian influence. Abortion, Stem Cell Research, Gay Marriage, etc. All relate right back to the bible. What happened to the seperation of Church and State?It's even been stated that the bible states marriage is between a man and a woman, where is using this as your backbone not pushing the boundry of church and state? I'll admit 5 and 7 were me just up late and in a crazy mood (just see ssforum staff forum) but the rest are all pretty much publicly known things he is doing that I just don't agree with.
Yupa Posted February 9, 2005 Report Posted February 9, 2005 And get who they'd make that money off of?Heaven forbid anything gets done over something besides money.
MonteZuma Posted February 9, 2005 Report Posted February 9, 2005 1. I have a few gay aquaintances, not really friends, but I know them, and talk to them from time to time. Not because they're gay, just because I don't see them much, and ....LOL Yeah sure... 2. The only way I agree with him on banning abortion is the people who go have sex and just use it like a birth control. Those people should not be allowed to have abortions.Rather than outlaw it, I'd try softer approach. Encourage other forms of birth control. One way of doing that might be to make abortions expensive or make counselling compulsory - or something. Just tossing around ideas. 4. The refinery here in Washington State is just racking in the profits. We could be paying $.97 a gallon for gas, but instead they are being forced to follow the OPAC guidelines for their pricing, and are making almost 400% profit on every barrel of oil. It costs them almost nothing to get the oil down from Alaska and refine it up in Anacortes, but they are forced to charge much more then they could be.They are profiteering. If the government was determined to stop this, they could. But, fwiw, imo, petrol shouldn't be cheap. It should be taxed to the hilt. The money raised should go to fixing the damage that cars do to the environment and our health. 6. We are involved in too many conflicts, and really need to stop being looked at as the world police. "Oh crap, blah blah is attacking us and we don't really want to spend the funds to build ourselves up. No worries, the US will come save us". That's all a country really has to believe. If they can't protect theirselves,It isn't really that simple. East Timor can't protect itself from Indoneasia...Palestine can't protect itself from Israel...A pacific island can't protect itself from anybody. We need a world police. But the police should be the UN. The US dumping on the UN was a terrible mistake. 8. He pushes the boundries of church and state too much. So many of his civil connected laws and plans have too much christian influence. Abortion, Stem Cell Research, Gay Marriage, etc. All relate right back to the bible. What happened to the seperation of Church and State?Indeed. I could probably go on, but I doubt half of people will read even what i've already typed. But this is just my opinion.They did.
Aileron Posted February 9, 2005 Report Posted February 9, 2005 You STILL haven't cited a reason you hate Bush, you just named policy differences. Did he come to your house and give you a wedgie? Did he 5-0 you in a duel and say "OWNED" afterwards? Is Bush distributing emabarr!@#$%^&*ing photographs of you?
MasterDrake Posted February 10, 2005 Report Posted February 10, 2005 I like bush he is giving me another raise of 3.5% woo woo
PoLiX Posted February 10, 2005 Report Posted February 10, 2005 Fine here. It's a family personal problem. The Bushs and my family had some conflicts from the time they moved to Texas til now. Not sure if they're still going on, but my family lived and had friends down there where they began buying land out from under people. There, there is a personal reason I hate bush, sound good?
Nokia Posted March 4, 2005 Report Posted March 4, 2005 -The !@#$%^&*er signed 152 death warrants-Started 2 wars, for revenge and oil-Supports DRM-Likes to give handouts to big companies like M$ and wal mart-Doesnt give a !@#$%^&* about civil liberties (patriot act?)-He is stupid. Misunderestimated?
Nokia Posted March 4, 2005 Report Posted March 4, 2005 Oh and i love the way he pretty much said he didnt give a !@#$%^&* about the UN and told them to take a hike, and then begged of them to clean up the mess in iraq after he bombed it. what a !@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*
Aileron Posted March 4, 2005 Report Posted March 4, 2005 At least he's not one of those noobs who likes to revive long-dead topics. Look, follow the oil-for-food scandal. THOSE were the people who wanted oil. It never was Bush, it was the international media with oil vouchers in their pockets. They stirred up outcry over Iraq because Hussein told them to. And Bush hardly started the war in Afghanistan. And it was Congress that gave us the Patriot act moron...if you want to hate your government, learn how it works.
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