While I was gone

[Aileron]

Interesting things have happened since I last posted in this forum. Don't get me wrong, I had no intention of ever coming in here again...especially when someone said that I'll be back...which reminded me of when SR said the same thing as I left SWR. (BTW, that zone is dead now and I have yet to return to it)

 

 

I few interesting developments happened since I was gone, that many of you might have missed.

 

The "vast right-winged" media, that was in "Bush's pocket" turned out to be....gasp...left wing. Its true! CBS publicised every little piece of dirt they could find on Bush, and when that wasn't enough, they started making stuff up! Ofcourse, they didn't admit that the story about him skipping national guard service was false until after the election.

 

Not only that, but it was infact the international media that was in Saddam Hussein's pocket. That is, ofcourse, if you have been following the Oil-for-food scandal. I for one don't understand why that program was created in the first place, the Tigris-Euphrates valley is prime farming land, they probably had all the food they needed, unless ofcouse Saddam wasn't maintaining the irrigation canals, and judging by the size of the graves, he had sufficient digging equipment.

 

moveon.org claims that they now own the democratic party. Between both organizations, Kerry had about 200 million more dollars to play with than Bush, but still lost. I guess this proves that money doesn't really matter in an election (that seriously suprises even me folks). I don't even want to know what percentage of moveon.org's donations actually come from the US.

 

A new wave of anti-semitism is spreading in Europe. I wonder why they don't like Israel....hmmmm.

 

 

Generally, every single thing that you guys were preaching as gospel before the election has now not only been revealed as false, but that infact the opposite is true.

[Sass]

Well, it doesn't have to be said more clearly than that.

 

Close the topic. Thanks.

[MonteZuma]

I had no intention of ever coming in here again

Teehee.

 

The "vast right-winged" media, that was in "Bush's pocket" turned out to be....gasp...left wing.

The media was hardly in Kerry's pocket. Fwiw, I think the media tries to to be balanced, but what they end up doing is reporting the easy stuff the easy way. The government of the day will always be able to manipulate the media more than the opposition.

 

Not only that, but it was infact the international media that was in Saddam Hussein's pocket.  That is, ofcourse, if you have been following the Oil-for-food scandal.  I for one don't understand why that program was created in the first place, the Tigris-Euphrates valley is prime farming land, they probably had all the food they needed, unless ofcouse Saddam wasn't maintaining the irrigation canals, and judging by the size of the graves, he had sufficient digging equipment.

The oil for food program was a good idea in principle. I doubt that Iraq will ever be self sufficient in food, and the embargo obviously put strain on Iraqi infrastructure - that was the intention.

 

Kerry had about 200 million more dollars to play with than Bush, but still lost.

Bush had the US government, the military and all the scare-tactics he could dream up to play with. I think that is worth more in an election campaign than donation funds.

 

A new wave of anti-semitism is spreading in Europe.

A slight exageration?

 

I wonder why they don't like Israel.

Because they are militaristic and try to solve difficult problems through the barrel of a US-made gun? Hmmm. A pattern emerges.

 

Generally, every single thing that you guys were preaching as gospel before the election has now not only been revealed as false, but that infact the opposite is true.

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There are still no WMDs and the threat of terror still looms as large as it ever did. I think that is what most anti-Bush people were preaching. Nothing has changed.

[Sass]

Having a discussion with someone who breaks things down and spins it out of context is futile.

 

But I will entertain this. And if you do it again, I will conter with more spin than you. We can have a spin battle bud. Here goes.

 

Montezuma starts off with an egotistical TeeHee.

 

Then makes the arrogant !@#$%^&*umption that Aileron said the media was in Kerry's pocket. He did not, he pointed out known facts about left wing CBS complete lies about Bush.

 

Following this, he claims that Bush won by scaring people to vote for him through threats. I wasn't aware that it worked that way here in the USA. Is that how it is where you are...in "God's Country".

 

Then he states that there is NOT a wave of anti-semitism in Europe. I guess this must have started somewhere like....India? Turkey? He's reaching here.

 

I wonder once again, what you mean by God's country. The Israeli army has fought for countless years for control of an area which is the holy ground of Jesus. Are you going to deny that my friend who lives in "God's Country"?

 

There are no WMD's today because Saddam is gone. Are you going to deny that he was attempting to get WMD'S. Perhaps he would have used them on you who lives in "God's Country". After all, he was practicing a religion which is in direct opposition to Christianity.

[MonteZuma]

Having a discussion with someone who breaks things down and spins it out of context is futile.

You give up too easily.

 

But I will entertain this.  And if you do it again, I will conter with more spin than you.  We can have a spin battle bud.  Here goes.

Lets.

 

Montezuma starts off with an egotistical TeeHee.

Do you even know the definition of egotistical?

 

Then makes the arrogant !@#$%^&*umption that Aileron said the media was in Kerry's pocket.

Heh.  Your comprehension skills leave a lot to be desired. As I said, I think the media tries to to be balanced, but what they end up doing is reporting the easy stuff the easy way. The government of the day will always be able to manipulate the media more than the opposition.

 

Following this, he claims that Bush won by scaring people to vote for him through threats.  I wasn't aware that it worked that way here in the USA.

It works like that in many countries. Here is a link so that you can get up to speed on how it all works:

 

The politics of fear

 

Then he states that there is NOT a wave of anti-semitism in Europe.  I guess this must have started somewhere like....India? 

Claims about the wave of anti-semitism in Europe are exaggerated. Most of Europe is very tolerant of all kinds of minorities.

 

I wonder once again, what you mean by God's country. 

You should spend less time 'wondering' about avatars and more time playing sports - or something.

 

The Israeli army has fought for countless years for control of an area which is the holy ground of Jesus.  Are you going to deny that my friend who lives in "God's Country"?

I think you are blurring the line between jews and christians, but whatever - it is also considered holy to muslims. If the Israelis acknowledged that, then the world would be a safer place.

 

There are no WMD's today because Saddam is gone.

LOL. The resaon there are no WMDs is because the sanctions, inspections and political and military pressure applied to Iraq BEFORE the invasion worked. Everyone acknowledges that, even the US government.

 

After all, he was practicing a religion which is in direct opposition to Christianity.

You are confusing Saddam Hussein with Osama Bin Laden. Islam is not in direct opposition to christianity, and in any case, Hussein and his regime were less theocratic than many middle eastern governments - such as Saudi Arabia.

 

 

Anyway...I can see you are trying, but you just don't understand the issues.

 

Keep up the good work

 

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[Confess]

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[»Dav]

Following this, he claims that Bush won by scaring people to vote for him through threats.  I wasn't aware that it worked that way here in the USA.

It works like that in many countries. Here is a link so that you can get up to speed on how it all works:

 

The politics of fear

 

 

I couldnt agree with this point more.

 

I do not deny that terror is a threat to any nation of the world but i feel the situation has been exaggerated some what, i feel that this is probably delberate. This can work very well for bush, he is seen to have an active and decisive course of action against terror and thus with a constant fear they will want to reelect him. It dosent matter if the threat isnt as bad as people think, its the belief that people have of inscurity that bush needed to mask the state of the economy and persuade voters to reelect him.