Iraqi Elections

[MonteZuma]

While you continue questioning OUR policy Mr. "I have a big member" (should be replaced with "I have a big head")

You obviously haven't seen my member.

 

how about considering the actions of your government?  How about actively participating in it so you can stop it from the mistakes it makes.

I do and I do.

 

The truth of the matter is you're so busy throwing dirt at the USA you fail to know much about your own country.

The truth of the matter is that you know Jack !@#$%^&* about me. You don't have the analytical capability to challenge my views, so you attack my avatar. Cute. But it makes you look dumb.

 

 

Tell me where you are from foreigner, and I will bring up so much dirt about your country you will be scared to come back to this forum.

It seems to me that you are too scared to tackle the issues, so you are making a lame attempt to tackle the man.

 

Save it for the schoolyard.

[MonteZuma]

Do you really know anything about it.

Yes.

 

are you trying to pursuade young political forum readers that US Marines are stupid.

Does anyone really need to be persuaded?

 

Seriously though....your passionate support for your brother is understandable. If you think that he has some valuable insights, please share them with us so that we can be enlightened.

 

Thanks in advance.

[MonteZuma]

Its been a while, but I think Monte is from Australia.  Believe it or not Monte, most Americans can find Iraq on a map...any report that says otherwise was made by people selecting the dumbest participants they could find

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So, success in Iraq really boils down to the resolve of US soldiers.  I'd say off my gut there is a 97% chance of success in Iraq, because I can't even imagine how the insurgents can intimidate a US soldier.

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Nice post. Good points.

[Sass]

While you continue questioning OUR policy Mr. "I have a big member" (should be replaced with "I have a big head")

You obviously haven't seen my member.

 

how about considering the actions of your government?  How about actively participating in it so you can stop it from the mistakes it makes.

I do and I do.

 

The truth of the matter is you're so busy throwing dirt at the USA you fail to know much about your own country.

The truth of the matter is that you know Jack !@#$%^&* about me. You don't have the analytical capability to challenge my views, so you attack my avatar. Cute. But it makes you look dumb.

 

 

Tell me where you are from foreigner, and I will bring up so much dirt about your country you will be scared to come back to this forum.

It seems to me that you are too scared to tackle the issues, so you are making a lame attempt to tackle the man.

 

Save it for the schoolyard.

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Your stereotypical anti-US view is nothing new and coming from someone so egocentric, there's little need to clarify. Or did you mean something different by "analytical capability to challenge my views".

 

Nice attempt at regaining your position.

[★ Dav]

the only problem with the insergants is the problem wont go away, many are willing to fight untill the blood of every last one is spilled.

 

Thats a lot of sacrifise, just shows how strongly they believe in their cause.

 

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4199363.stm

 

This was an intresting incodent

 

We have declared a bitter war against the principle of democracy and all those who seek to enact it,

 

The reason they are against it (information sourced from various news articles and do!@#$%^&*entaries) is because some muslims believe democrocy is agains islam.

 

This is because the law and sociaty should be based in their view around the knoran and nothing else thus rendering the need for an elected government useless as all parties would have the very same policy. They also believe that anyone running for prsident is tring to become a demi-god and any voters are infidels.

 

just thought id add this, havent seen any other posts describing what the insergants are fighting for.

[Aileron]

Well, I do know that there is a pretty solid schism in the insurgents ranks. Some are sunnis who just the political power they had under Hussein back, others are Al Queda operatives who moved in for pretty much no reason other than the US is there.

 

Defeating them is simple enough. First off, we have to show the sunnis that they will never again have the power they had under Hussein. Then, offer them a reasonable amount of power. The sunnis will reluctantly accept this if the first step was done right. Once the sunnis are pacified, then we can start pulling US troops. At this point we can focus on Al Queda.

 

Al Queda divides themselves into autonomous cells. This makes them hard to track. The downside however is that these cells don't know about each other and are barely in communication with their leaders. Thus, their large scale movements and long term strategy have no controlled element. We are essentially playing chess against pieces that move on their own with no knowledge of their sides overall strategy.

 

While it appears that their behavior would be random and unpredictable, they are infact very easy to predict. Each cell will find the nearest Western target and attempt to destroy it.

 

After we deal with the sunnis, we have three main options, followed by the predictable Al Queda response:

 

A) Pull all troops home from Iraq

!@#$%^&*umng Al Queda doesn't change their goals, they will either regroup and attempt more attacks on the US mainland or attack Iraq under the mindset that its the next best thing.

 

Leave one or two hardened bases under permission from the Iraqi government, kinda like the arrangement we have with Japan.

Al Queda would then attack the hardened bases.

 

C) Start another war or major relief effort elseware.

Al Queda will move shop to wherever we go.

 

Option A is dependant on whether or not they will consider the democratic government of Iraq "Western" or not. Most likely the decision will be made by individual cells, so they would split up and attack both targets. Generally, this isn't a good idea, because then we can't predict what Al Queda will do.

 

Option C is best for Iraq, because it would leave them completely free of Al Queda. Generally though, this doesn't improve our position at all and also might require another war. Maybe if we moved to someplace like Ethiopia with the sole purpose of handing our food and shelter, this might be a good option. (Why would somebody fighting a "holy war" keep food from starving people?)

 

However, I'd say the best decision is option B. First, we have to convince the Iraqi government to let us keep a base there and convince the international community that this isn't some attempt of occupation. Neither is an easy task, but Al Queda can do jack $ |-| ! 7 about it. Then, we build a base at the best location with the most sophisticated anti-terrorist defenses we can come up with. Then, we bragg about it, make arrogant public remarks, and keep saying how this base will be the death of Al Queda, in hopes that Al Queda attacks it. Al Queda has typically been blinded by their hatred a lot, so this should be easy.

 

Basically Al Queda will always attack us and their is no getting around that. But if we convince them to focus their attacks on such an installation, we might be able to get Al Queda to bleed out their strength essentially bashing their head against a brick wall.

[★ Dav]

wow something i 100% agree with.

 

However i feel option A is the best, if US bases are left in iraq the nation may be seen as under the western influence making no less of a target then it was before.

 

If the US and UK take option A iraq will be able to restructure itself around the sociaty thats left witout any americans there and will nprobably be left alone, just thiunk al quidea will follow america, if they arent in iraq it wont get them very far considering america wont come running back to fight them.

[MonteZuma]

Your stereotypical anti-US view

I prefer to call it a 'unanimous view'. At least as far as anyone outside the US is concerned. And it isn't anti-US. It is anti-US government.

 

Nice attempt at regaining your position.

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I had nothing to regain. You haven't typed anything intelligent yet.

[MonteZuma]

We have declared a bitter war against the principle of democracy and all those who seek to enact it,

 

The reason they are against it (information sourced from various news articles and do!@#$%^&*entaries) is because some muslims believe democrocy is agains islam.

 

This is because the law and sociaty should be based in their view around the knoran and nothing else thus rendering the need for an elected government useless as all parties would have the very same policy. They also believe that anyone running for prsident is tring to become a demi-god and any voters are infidels.

 

just thought id add this, havent seen any other posts describing what the insergants are fighting for.

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Good point. Thanks.

 

This 'viewpoint' isn't talked about enough. GWB prefers to simply describe anyone with this kind of mindset as 'evil' or an 'enemy of freedom'. But the fact is, some of these people have strongly-held views that, to them at least, make perfect sense. You can't impose democray on people that don't want it.

 

Iraq as a whole may be different. I think most of their population is moderate. But defeating (or moderating) the insurgents is gonna be a challenge.

[★ Dav]

i agree, many people dont know what the other side is fighting for. in reality they feel their way of life is under attatck and feel it muct be defended at any cost for all muslims.

 

Suddenly they dont sound all that evil do they?

[Aileron]

Terrorists made careers out of twisting the Koran to their own ends. For example, "Jihad" by origional definition meant attacking solely military targets, amoung other moral restrictions that are supposed to lead to very clean wars, a direct opposite to the kind of war Al Queda is fighting.

 

Islam was never against secular government, because every society needs leaders to survive and Islamic society survived. Besides, democracy is the best organization of government we have that keeps equality among the masses.

 

Besides, if their society is holding them back, they should get rid of it. Any god that commands his people to live in poverty, oppression, and misery is a god that should not be followed.

 

Branding these guys as evil might not be that far off the mark, Al Queda does seem to be motivated by pure hatred.

[Sass]

You haven't typed anything intelligent yet.

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You haven't typed anything provable yet. When you can stop using conjecture, I'll assume that your reading level has surp!@#$%^&*ed third grade. Shall we continue? I can run this race for a very long time. The more you swing, the more I will expose your inadequacies.

 

Again, shall we continue?

[MonteZuma]

You haven't typed anything provable yet.  When you can stop using conjecture, I'll assume that your reading level has surp!@#$%^&*ed third grade.  Shall we continue?  I can run this race for a very long time.  The more you swing, the more I will expose your inadequacies.

 

Again, shall we continue?

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The only thing that has been exposed is your immaturity.

 

Perhaps in your next post, you might put the vitriol aside and give us all an insight into your views on the situation in Iraq.

 

Go on! You can do it!

[Sass]

lol, I am NOT the one wearing the "I have a big member" banner bud. Now there's a laughable sign of maturity.

 

Shall we continue or will you digress?

[★ Dav]

Terrorists made careers out of twisting the Koran to their own ends.  For example, "Jihad" by origional definition meant attacking solely military targets, amoung other moral restrictions that are supposed to lead to very clean wars, a direct opposite to the kind of war Al Queda is fighting.

 

Islam was never against secular government, because every society needs leaders to survive and Islamic society survived.  Besides, democracy is the best organization of government we have that keeps equality among the masses.

 

Besides, if their society is holding them back, they should get rid of it.  Any god that commands his people to live in poverty, oppression, and misery is a god that should not be followed.

 

Branding these guys as evil might not be that far off the mark, Al Queda does seem to be motivated by pure hatred.

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I think its more their interpritation of the koran rather the twisting it. With any written article the interpriations made by an individual may be diffrent, thtas why christians have so many denominations or litrature discussions on the same book go on for years.

 

Its the hard line at!@#$%^&*ue they adopt from their interpritations that generates the issues, in their view they are doing the work of allah as described in the holy text.

 

The worst part of it all is they way the media portrays any terrorist groups, they often make it seem that evryone in the reigon is a terrorist or a terror supporter. On the day of 9/11 people were shown celebrating in the streets in some nations, apparently this video was of a holiday festival earlier in the year.

 

 

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On a side note - what does the member !@#$%^&*le have to do with anything, i dont consider "lean mean spamming machine" all that "inteligant" or "mature", its not intended to be as is true in the case of montes.