madhaha Posted September 10, 2003 Report Posted September 10, 2003 I'm bored, time for a new topic. Post your opinions and reasons.
Spray 'n Prey Posted September 10, 2003 Report Posted September 10, 2003 What's consent?Oh i think...25.
»dr uniburner Posted September 11, 2003 Report Posted September 11, 2003 wayyyyyyy to young...-*BAD WORD*- pedophiles anyways.
Evil Jin Posted September 11, 2003 Report Posted September 11, 2003 i say when ever you learn the meaning of consent
Guest Decimator | Alpha Posted September 11, 2003 Report Posted September 11, 2003 Do you mean the age of sexual consent or some other age of consent?
»dr uniburner Posted September 11, 2003 Report Posted September 11, 2003 I think thats what he was talking about.
Guest Decimator | Alpha Posted September 11, 2003 Report Posted September 11, 2003 I think thats what he was talking about. Well in that case. Surely it should be up to the individual, but then again the age of consent was brought in to stop child pros!@#$%^&*ution. Without it if a pimp could get a 12 year to say that they consented to sex.......then the law wouldn't be able to do anything. The age of consent is a means to an end.
MillenniumMan Posted September 13, 2003 Report Posted September 13, 2003 This will answer your questions. BTW, there is no national age of consent like MR. TELEVISION says there is. 18 is the hollywood age of consent. As you know most TV shows and movies are made in HollyCRAP, and most TV and movie writers are total dumb-*BAD WORD*-s to begin with. They use their immediate surroundings as a base for their work and say that's how the rest of the world works. For a list of ages of consent, go here, find your state and have at it:http://ageofconsent.com/ PS: The ads on the site are a real slap in the face to some, but I got a kick out of seeing them:) Sex toys for 14 year olds? LOL
madhaha Posted September 13, 2003 Author Report Posted September 13, 2003 I suspect the scriptwriters (note actors can't really change the script) have to use 18 as the age of consent to prevent their arse from being sued off... "Those people on TV had sex when they were 14, why can't I?" Interesting site.
MillenniumMan Posted September 13, 2003 Report Posted September 13, 2003 I suspect the scriptwriters (note actors can't really change the script) have to use 18 as the age of consent to prevent their arse from being sued off... "Those people on TV had sex when they were 14, why can't I?" Interesting site. No, I'm gonna have to stick with my original line of discontent on this one. Half the stuff that comes out of hollyweird is either crap or a rehash of an original work. Go with some of the indies like here in Baltimore or the people at Tribeca. They're not afraid to get their sorry !@#$%^&*es sued. -*BAD WORD*-, they should be sued for misrepresentation of the law, but then again, isn't that what great science fiction is all about, made up -*BAD WORD*-????? What was I saying? Ahh yes, AOC laws are a god -*BAD WORD*-ed joke, there are 30 year olds that don't know how to tie their shoelaces and yet have the privelage to be called an adult by right of an artificialy set biological age limit imposed on us by politicians who want to stay in power by creating bad guys and imposing their views on the unwashed masses, and by that same token, there are twelve thirteen and fourteen year olds running their own small businesses (NO NOT LEMONADE STANDS) but legitimate hundred grand a year deals, they pay taxes, have people work for them, have to buy licensing for their gear and the right to own a business, and yet they are not allowed to be called adult because of the falsley imposed and flat out wrong AOC laws. They hurt more people than they claim to protect. What's that you say? Statutory rape? I'm sorry, but that's -*BAD WORD*- also. The AOC princilpe is that someone under a certain age is asexual and incompetent and could not make such a great desicion on their own. On my previous argument, I stated that there are 30+ people out there that can't do for themselves or anyone else, not to say that they are re-*BAD WORD*-ed, but they have less motivation and competence than someone half their age and that the certain someones who were half their age could do more but don't have the right under the current system to be called an adult. If we were having this conversation forty or fifty years ago... Let's face it, we wouldn't be, the AOC laws barley had this kind of stranglehold like it does nowadays. A man was someone who could hold a job, raise a family, create a home for said family and put food on the table. Usualy that was around 11-13 years of age back then, before most of the so called free world became pokemon -*BAD WORD*-fied idiots. I'm probably gonna get some flack for this, but Canada isn't as backwards as we are *ducks a facist morons' brick*
MillenniumMan Posted September 13, 2003 Report Posted September 13, 2003 No, I'm gonna have to stick with my original line of discontent on this one. Half the stuff that comes out of hollyweird is either crap or a rehash of an original work. Go with some of the indies like here in Baltimore or the people at Tribeca. They're not afraid to get their sorry !@#$%^&*es sued. -*BAD WORD*-, they should be sued for misrepresentation of the law, but then again, isn't that what great science fiction is all about, made up -*BAD WORD*-????? Just for the record, I'm not saying the indies are sorry!@#$%^&*es, they're good, I'm saying the hollywood guys are sorry!@#$%^&*es.
madhaha Posted September 14, 2003 Author Report Posted September 14, 2003 People aren't volunteering an opinion on why they think that the age they chose was appropriate...
MillenniumMan Posted September 14, 2003 Report Posted September 14, 2003 People aren't volunteering an opinion on why they think that the age they chose was appropriate... Funny, I thought I just did that
G.T.O The Judge Posted September 14, 2003 Report Posted September 14, 2003 hmmm...Age of Consent... it should be at least a year above the average rate a male/female child reaches puberty in the state or country this topic focuses on. That way, after little johnny asks his mother why his wee-wee is standing up after going potty, she'll have up to a year to tell him everything he needs to know about sex. a year is snough time eh...?
MonteZuma Posted September 15, 2003 Report Posted September 15, 2003 For the sake of discussion.... It should be whatever age you are allowed to vote or go to prison. 18 sounds about right. How can any authority say that you are too young to vote, but not too young to bring up a baby? Yeah...I know sex isn't just about making babies, but the law doesn't say you need to use contraception... So basically, the State is giving tacit approval for 16yos to have kids. That is gay. Monte.
MillenniumMan Posted September 15, 2003 Report Posted September 15, 2003 For the sake of discussion.... It should be whatever age you are allowed to vote or go to prison. 18 sounds about right. How can any authority say that you are too young to vote, but not too young to bring up a baby? Yeah...I know sex isn't just about making babies, but the law doesn't say you need to use contraception... So basically, the State is giving tacit approval for 16yos to have kids. That is gay. Monte. Let's see, you're living in a free society only as long as the idiots we were suckered into voting for who are in charge tell us we can do something. And then they deem something as immoral or illegal, shove propaganda down everyones throats to make it dogma. Let's go over a list of the bright ideas that our sacred leaders have come up with in the name of "OUR BEST INTERESTS" shall we? 1870-1890s California: To spite the Chinese population, the wearing and public display of ponytails was deemed illegal. The excuse was that they would collect lice from passing horses and start an epidemic.The truth is that they were and in many places still are a religious symbol for many chinese. Can't get on the ride without a ticket, can't get into heaven without a ponytail. 1890's thru 1920's Comstock era: A man by the name of Anthony Comstock and his band of merry men on a holy crusade to ban and destroy anything deemed immoral or indecent went and created what was known as the comstock act. This banned the sale and distribution of things like porno magazines (yes they had those back then) artworks depicting nude people, and the most innocuous things like sexual education materials. Yes mommy, babies come from storks not from two people making love and a man squirting semen inside a woman and having the sperm inside that viscous liquid finding an egg in the womans uterus to fertilze.As a result of comstocks -*BAD WORD*- *giggle* during world war one, more of our boys came down out from the field with the clap rather than shrapnel wounds because they weren't informed of the dangers of STDs. Many of the boys that went over there were introduced to sex for the first time and were shocked and pleasently suprised and were then pissed off when they realized what they were missing out on over here. 1920s-1930s Prohibition: Ahh, once again, what is deemed immoral is once again made illegal and banned. But as with human nature, if it feels right and natural people are going to do it anyways. People still wanted to get -*BAD WORD*- faced, despite it being a dry country, and no idiot politician looking to make a quick score and win votes was going to stop most of it's population. No ammount of propaganda was going to close down every home still and speakeasy. Why? Because people still wanted to ge off on a friday night, down a few with their friends and have a good time. This is another law that hurt more people than it claimed to protect.Job losses from the various breweries across the country were into the millions, not just from the layoffs of the plant workers, but businesses related to the creation, sale and consumption of alchohol. Same era: Sterilization of those that were mentaly or geneticaly infirm was also government sanctioned during this era, following suit of the still popular german NAZI party. Beleive it or not we were at one time fond of the nazi government also. This sterilization policy was carried out on the wrong people however, several cases in point: A woman who frequently masturbated had her ovaries removed so she couldn't reproduce, against her will. A set of twins, because the other identical twin had been born without a leg. Both were deemed unfit to reproduce at a very early age. List goes on and on. Still the same era: With the support of those in power, another evil had been seated in this country. The Ku Klux Klan, deemed the saviours of Christianity from those who were deemed evil had at one time had a run of half the country, even having a good contender for the 1928 presidantial campaign, eventual won by Hoover. Even though they got started in the reconstruction era after the American Civil War, the supposed modern clan managed to affect policy, slowly but surley. It's numbers ranged around four million members in the 20's and included senators, governors, congressmen and the like. The thing that killed the clan was an act taken one step to far by those onced deemed moral! David C. Stephenson, a major Klan leader, was convicted of second-degree murder, and evidence of corruption came out that led to the indictment of the governor of Indiana and the mayor of Indianapolis, both supporters of the Klan. So much for thou shalt not murder, eh? Same era AGAIN!: Marijuana was listed in the United States Pharmacopeia from 1850 until 1942 and was prescribed for various conditions including labor pains, nausea, and rheumatism. Its use as an intoxicant was also commonplace from the 1850s to the 1930s. A campaign conducted in the 1930s by the U.S. Federal Bureau of Narcotics (now the Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs) sought to portray marijuana as a powerful, addicting substance that would lead users into narcotics addiction. It is still considered a gateway drug by some authorities. In the 1950s it was an accessory of the beat generation; in the 1960s it was used by college students and hippies and became a symbol of rebellion against authority. Mommy's getting stoned off cheap substances rather than expensive man made demerol when they have their babies? No no no we can't have that can we? Who's going to feed and clothe our "LEGAL" drug manufactures? 1940s-1960s: The attempted ban of rock and roll or "THE DEVILS' JUNGLE MUSIC" in many communities across America. For those of you over the age of fifty reading this, you need no explination, for those of you who take this great art for granted and don't know of it's history, in short it was deemed as the cause of trouble, making so called children rebel against their parents and law enforcement. But once again, some politicians decided to make dogma into law and in many places record burnings *SEIG HEIL* and flat out bans had been made on rock and roll music. News reports were aired on how teenagers "the other night" were driven by rock and roll music to destroy mailboxes or burn houses or throw rocks through plate gl!@#$%^&* windows in office buildings. Right, and video games like GTA Vice City made Cain kill his brother Able... List goes on but I think they might be putting a limit on posts here *ala ZippyDan* If anyone can think of idiotic political maneuvers like the ones I've posted ot the AOC laws, please post them. If we're going to change the world, we're going to need all the AMMO we can get. *this post was recorded and analyzed by carnivore and echilon for your saftey, hail the fuhrer and god bless*
madhaha Posted September 15, 2003 Author Report Posted September 15, 2003 I feel you're horribly off topic there. Try and concentrate on the practical implications rather than the moral side. I don't think a 14 year old can raise enough money to support a child unless there are drastic changes in child labour laws. If there were pregnancy leave from school at the age of 14, I think most schools would be half empty by now, and if the fathers were allowed paternaty leave.... Also, what should the stance be on gay/lesbian sex seeing as neither leads the conception? If pregnancy was the main deciding factor on the age of consent then gay sex would be legal from birth. Setting the law on natural events such as puberty is difficult because these events vary from person to person. Also, it still doesn't take into account that kids can't work as mentioned before. Any more view? mad.
MillenniumMan Posted September 16, 2003 Report Posted September 16, 2003 I feel you're horribly off topic there. Try and concentrate on the practical implications rather than the moral side. I don't think a 14 year old can raise enough money to support a child unless there are drastic changes in child labour laws. If there were pregnancy leave from school at the age of 14, I think most schools would be half empty by now, and if the fathers were allowed paternaty leave.... Also, what should the stance be on gay/lesbian sex seeing as neither leads the conception? If pregnancy was the main deciding factor on the age of consent then gay sex would be legal from birth. Setting the law on natural events such as puberty is difficult because these events vary from person to person. Also, it still doesn't take into account that kids can't work as mentioned before. Any more view? mad. On the child labor laws, the triangle clothing factory fire is what made it nearly impossible to employ 14 year olds, if you kept the saftey regulations in place and employed based on physical and mental capabilities, you could probably employ as early as 12, since most people of that age can do -90% of the reaching and lifting and processing that someone twice their age could do. Obviously putting them in a real high stress or high danger area like back in the coal mines or in construction like back in the early 1900s al the way through the 50s might not be a smart move for an employer, but other places like a sorting line or running an OCR scanner in a shipping/receiving department, would be a better suited line of work. Albeit they would have to still go through school of some kind and graduate. Who would want a country of really dumb -*BAD WORD*-ers after all?......... too late They have paternity leave in some schools since teenage pregnancy is almost a work-a-day thing nowadays. But it only applies to very late term (7-9 mos) some just drop out to raise their family. Noone is going to be stupid enough to let the male side of this sorted affair get off that easy however. Chances are the parents would beat the -*BAD WORD*- out of the unlucky boy, make him get a job so he can help support the child and go to school at the same time. On the whole gay/lesbian thing, that's just flat out wrong. Obviously someone isn't going to consent right out from birth. My argument is based on someone having the facts. You think someone who spits up their gerber carrots and corn mash is going to be able to grasp the concept of having intercourse, let alone having a -*BAD WORD*- stuck in his -*BAD WORD*- or having her labia rubbed by her older sister??? *realizes he's opened a whole can of worms with that last one*They will do one of two things obviously since their range of emotions is limited: it feels good somehow so giggle -or- it feels bad so cry til it stops. Anyone that would do that to someone who couldn't even think in the more emotionaly stable and adult concepts of the real world should have their respective genitelia tied off with fishing line til it turned black and fell off. As for setting the law based on natural events such as puberty, the muslims almost had it right, just one problem. They treat their women like property and not like equals. I'd like to think that Mohammed treated Ayish as an equal and not as his property, and that over time, the muslim religion became twisted by politicians who posed as holymen. On the Christian/hebrew side, and this will most likeley piss off alot of people, but I'm not here to make friends, just state facts, beliefs and convictions. Joseph of Aremathiea was 30 when he married Mary, who was only 13. Mind you, this was long before The Immaculate Conception. They still loved each other and had a real devotion to each other. When Joseph found out that Mary was pregnant, she didn't tell him where it came from for quite a while. He was mad at first but decided that he would still treat the child, no matter who's it was as his own flesh and blood, and stopped being angry. Evenualy she told him where it came from, but that's another story for another time. The only reason she was still a virgin by the time the honeymoon came around was because he was busy in another town doing some work to support his soon to be family.
Kadith Posted September 16, 2003 Report Posted September 16, 2003 I think the AOC should be a few tests. A competency test to see if you are actually smart enough to know what your getting yourself into. And an awareness test to make sure you know of all the cir-*BAD WORD*-stances surrounding your decision. That would be the good and the bad. But WAIT... that is won't work. It makes the governmewnt do more work. So of caorse they will want to "make sure" that the tests were conducted properly. So having a strict AOC is easier on them and us. The only thing wrong with that is the varied age from state to state. Maybe we should just change it to a world wide AOC Take a vote on what the majority of people beleive it should be. Possibly re-check this every 2-4 years or so. I'm not saying I can fix the world, but if I just sit back and don't give any input I might as well be on the other side.
MonteZuma Posted September 16, 2003 Report Posted September 16, 2003 Let's see, you're living in a free society only as long as the idiots we were suckered into voting for who are in charge tell us we can do something. And then they deem something as immoral or illegal, shove propaganda down everyones throats to make it dogma. Let's go over a list of the bright ideas that our sacred leaders have come up with in the name of "OUR BEST INTERESTS" shall we? 1870-1890s California: To spite the Chinese population, the wearing and public display of ponytails was deemed illegal. The excuse was that they would collect lice from passing horses and start an epidemic.The truth is that they were and in many places still are a religious symbol for many chinese. Can't get on the ride without a ticket, can't get into heaven without a ponytail. 1890's thru 1920's Comstock era: A man by the name of Anthony Comstock and his band of merry men on a holy crusade to ban and destroy anything deemed immoral or indecent went and created what was known as the comstock act. This banned the sale and distribution of things like porno magazines (yes they had those back then) artworks depicting nude people, and the most innocuous things like sexual education materials. Yes mommy, babies come from storks not from two people making love and a man squirting semen inside a woman and having the sperm inside that viscous liquid finding an egg in the womans uterus to fertilze.As a result of comstocks -*BAD WORD*- *giggle* during world war one, more of our boys came down out from the field with the clap rather than shrapnel wounds because they weren't informed of the dangers of STDs. Many of the boys that went over there were introduced to sex for the first time and were shocked and pleasently suprised and were then pissed off when they realized what they were missing out on over here. 1920s-1930s Prohibition: Ahh, once again, what is deemed immoral is once again made illegal and banned. But as with human nature, if it feels right and natural people are going to do it anyways. People still wanted to get -*BAD WORD*- faced, despite it being a dry country, and no idiot politician looking to make a quick score and win votes was going to stop most of it's population. No ammount of propaganda was going to close down every home still and speakeasy. Why? Because people still wanted to ge off on a friday night, down a few with their friends and have a good time. This is another law that hurt more people than it claimed to protect.Job losses from the various breweries across the country were into the millions, not just from the layoffs of the plant workers, but businesses related to the creation, sale and consumption of alchohol. Same era: Sterilization of those that were mentaly or geneticaly infirm was also government sanctioned during this era, following suit of the still popular german NAZI party. Beleive it or not we were at one time fond of the nazi government also. This sterilization policy was carried out on the wrong people however, several cases in point: A woman who frequently masturbated had her ovaries removed so she couldn't reproduce, against her will. A set of twins, because the other identical twin had been born without a leg. Both were deemed unfit to reproduce at a very early age. List goes on and on. Still the same era: With the support of those in power, another evil had been seated in this country. The Ku Klux Klan, deemed the saviours of Christianity from those who were deemed evil had at one time had a run of half the country, even having a good contender for the 1928 presidantial campaign, eventual won by Hoover. Even though they got started in the reconstruction era after the American Civil War, the supposed modern clan managed to affect policy, slowly but surley. It's numbers ranged around four million members in the 20's and included senators, governors, congressmen and the like. The thing that killed the clan was an act taken one step to far by those onced deemed moral! David C. Stephenson, a major Klan leader, was convicted of second-degree murder, and evidence of corruption came out that led to the indictment of the governor of Indiana and the mayor of Indianapolis, both supporters of the Klan. So much for thou shalt not murder, eh? Same era AGAIN!: Marijuana was listed in the United States Pharmacopeia from 1850 until 1942 and was prescribed for various conditions including labor pains, nausea, and rheumatism. Its use as an intoxicant was also commonplace from the 1850s to the 1930s. A campaign conducted in the 1930s by the U.S. Federal Bureau of Narcotics (now the Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs) sought to portray marijuana as a powerful, addicting substance that would lead users into narcotics addiction. It is still considered a gateway drug by some authorities. In the 1950s it was an accessory of the beat generation; in the 1960s it was used by college students and hippies and became a symbol of rebellion against authority. Mommy's getting stoned off cheap substances rather than expensive man made demerol when they have their babies? No no no we can't have that can we? Who's going to feed and clothe our "LEGAL" drug manufactures? 1940s-1960s: The attempted ban of rock and roll or "THE DEVILS' JUNGLE MUSIC" in many communities across America. For those of you over the age of fifty reading this, you need no explination, for those of you who take this great art for granted and don't know of it's history, in short it was deemed as the cause of trouble, making so called children rebel against their parents and law enforcement. But once again, some politicians decided to make dogma into law and in many places record burnings *SEIG HEIL* and flat out bans had been made on rock and roll music. News reports were aired on how teenagers "the other night" were driven by rock and roll music to destroy mailboxes or burn houses or throw rocks through plate gl!@#$%^&* windows in office buildings. Right, and video games like GTA Vice City made Cain kill his brother Able... List goes on but I think they might be putting a limit on posts here *ala ZippyDan* If anyone can think of idiotic political maneuvers like the ones I've posted ot the AOC laws, please post them. If we're going to change the world, we're going to need all the AMMO we can get. *this post was recorded and analyzed by carnivore and echilon for your saftey, hail the fuhrer and god bless* (and then..........) On the child labor laws, the triangle clothing factory fire is what made it nearly impossible to employ 14 year olds, if you kept the saftey regulations in place and employed based on physical and mental capabilities, you could probably employ as early as 12, since most people of that age can do -90% of the reaching and lifting and processing that someone twice their age could do. Obviously putting them in a real high stress or high danger area like back in the coal mines or in construction like back in the early 1900s al the way through the 50s might not be a smart move for an employer, but other places like a sorting line or running an OCR scanner in a shipping/receiving department, would be a better suited line of work. Albeit they would have to still go through school of some kind and graduate. Who would want a country of really dumb -*BAD WORD*-ers after all?......... too late They have paternity leave in some schools since teenage pregnancy is almost a work-a-day thing nowadays. But it only applies to very late term (7-9 mos) some just drop out to raise their family. Noone is going to be stupid enough to let the male side of this sorted affair get off that easy however. Chances are the parents would beat the -*BAD WORD*- out of the unlucky boy, make him get a job so he can help support the child and go to school at the same time. On the whole gay/lesbian thing, that's just flat out wrong. Obviously someone isn't going to consent right out from birth. My argument is based on someone having the facts. You think someone who spits up their gerber carrots and corn mash is going to be able to grasp the concept of having intercourse, let alone having a -*BAD WORD*- stuck in his -*BAD WORD*- or having her labia rubbed by her older sister??? *realizes he's opened a whole can of worms with that last one* They will do one of two things obviously since their range of emotions is limited: it feels good somehow so giggle -or- it feels bad so cry til it stops. Anyone that would do that to someone who couldn't even think in the more emotionaly stable and adult concepts of the real world should have their respective genitelia tied off with fishing line til it turned black and fell off. As for setting the law based on natural events such as puberty, the muslims almost had it right, just one problem. They treat their women like property and not like equals. I'd like to think that Mohammed treated Ayish as an equal and not as his property, and that over time, the muslim religion became twisted by politicians who posed as holymen. On the Christian/hebrew side, and this will most likeley piss off alot of people, but I'm not here to make friends, just state facts, beliefs and convictions. Joseph of Aremathiea was 30 when he married Mary, who was only 13. Mind you, this was long before The Immaculate Conception. They still loved each other and had a real devotion to each other. When Joseph found out that Mary was pregnant, she didn't tell him where it came from for quite a while. He was mad at first but decided that he would still treat the child, no matter who's it was as his own flesh and blood, and stopped being angry. Evenualy she told him where it came from, but that's another story for another time. The only reason she was still a virgin by the time the honeymoon came around was because he was busy in another town doing some work to support his soon to be family. I think somebody has "issues". 16yos should not have babies. Monte.
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