Ye Land of Olde? I hope not

[axius]

GAAA! The pub i have come to know and love is gone! Whos with me?! Surge against these tides of change! I vote go back to the way pub was before this change!

[PullTripSquid]

Poor Ax, ermm, i vote to CHANGE! even though im banned and cant see it....

[Pie]

The old Settings were WAAAAAAAAAYYYYY better, why change them? teh gays.

 

this maps ok, but i prefer the old map. old and in the one i was playing last night.

 

go pie, woo! yeah!

 

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[omron]

!@#$%^&*...wtf happens with the map i loved to play . i'm 100% with u axius: BRING BACK THE OLD MAP!! i think that i'll really got less fun to play in 17 th....for the settings i think that it could be good to try them on the old map and see how it goes <_<

[AndurilFlameoftheWest]

IM WITH YOU BIG FELLA! Ok, first and foremost, Vile the levi is basically fine but add back the warp please. its basically useless fodder now unless you speed it up again if you plan on keeping the brick. Pub sucks, balling to me is more soothing east to west. The bases are wack too i got lost.

All of a sudden you do events in pub such as bla bla bla and you get shields, in a feeble attempt to win people over who are not in love w the map. WHY do you do events now and not do them when you had the other pub. I fail to understand this premise. I had given ideas in the Flag post, and i figured since you all are on a seemingly unstoppable wave of !@#$%^&* changes that this pub thing would happen.

Stop bull!@#$%^&*ting people and if you wanted to do this map, do it again for a freaky friday and take a gd vote on it. Fix the vote bot then take a vote. simple. If the levi recieves its warp back then it may be a bit more palpitable to my taste. other wise, ill be taking my leave from the game.

[PhoenixPhire]

Hmm. Overall I think the map is decent. A lot of people probably don't like it simply because it is different. I do, however, think that minor tweaks need to take place.

 

THE GOOD: Its new, its fresh. The bases are pretty cool. Lanc and spider are improved.

 

THE BAD: Levi should be returned to the way it was, it's basically useless now. I'd change the color scheme a bit, it seems mines blend in very well with the surroundings in the center. Balling north and south will definitely take some getting used to.

 

THE UGLY: The weasel mine, while I say it's not overpowered, does scare the !@#$%^&* out of me. I'm afraid to even go NEAR a weasel now. Also, the resurrection of the old terrier may prove to be too powerful, it seems that it has amazingly quick bullets, excellent bombs/mines, and repels. It really has no weakness it seems, but we'll just have to wait and see how it works out.

[StockholmSyndrome]

First and foremost.

 

The 17th you knew is on it's last legs. It has been this past week. A HUGE drop in public play, a lack of players and generally... it was on it's death bed. Seriously, something needed to be changed and changed ASAP.

 

A change has come about... and I smile

 

Vile, you have done something most intruiging. Where as I am newthe zone and told this is the old map used many years back, I like it. Both bases are different, simple to guide through and that means it's more interesting.

 

Note: I'll use interesting alot in here... interesting is good

 

So let's talk politics!

 

I'm not going to list each and every ship, all I have to say is...

 

1) I'm not happy about the warbird losing energy for speed, BUT I might grow to like it. Afterall, it's another concept of dog fighting.

2) Levi should gain rockets and a portal. Then it would be fun

3) Terrier has become the now over powered ship. 8 mines, 3 repels, silly amount of bullet runners in public... ew

4) No matter what anyone says, KEEP THE WEASEL MINE. Seriously, that thing is sweet. It adds flair to what I thought was a ship to kill 17th. Only thing I would want on Weasel now is slightly better speed. Seems for a half dog fighter it lacks in gaining momentum upon an enemy.

 

I quote:

BeWaRe> BeWaRe with 1200 nrg took 19539 damage from SNOo L1 ProxBomb

 

That is genius!

 

The rest of the ships I would need to play more but all the others are in my favour.

 

One last thing; Do NOT change back. Keep this or let the zone die. You have one chance to make it better, I feel this will do it, I feel although alot of people will whine and complain, most will get over it, more will be drawn in and the zone population will grow. !@#$%^&* at 9 v 9 in pubc, how can you complain at the moment?

 

So I lay this upon everyone who dislikes the change because:

1) it has weakened their ship in their eyes (too lazy to relearn something quickly)

2) Your favourite hidey hole has been removed

3) Your favourite 'trap' or 'signature spot' has been changed or removed

4) You just dislike having to greater your skills on SS

 

This change will make or break 17th if it says permanant. I hope it will, I have faith ^^

 

Do you? Every single one of you who doubts these settings to the one that was KILLING pub. Go have a long think then come back and lay down your answers.

 

Stockholm Syndrome

[PhoenixPhire]

Upon further review, I have come to the conclusion that the terrier is now VASTLY overpowered. And, its not even because of its mines/repels, or bombs. It's bullets are simply WAY TOO GOOD. I noticed after dying multiple times from a terr that its bullets just come out at such a quicky rate that if you get stuck in a bullet line for even a second, you sustain major damage. I realized that the bullets are probably even better than a jav's so X`terrania and I tested it. We went toe to toe and started shooting at the same time, and...TERRIER killed the JAV. Jav no longer has the best bullets..and that needs to be changed, and quickly.

[PullTripSquid]

Upon further review, I have come to the conclusion that the terrier is now VASTLY overpowered.  And, its not even because of its mines/repels, or bombs.  It's bullets are simply WAY TOO GOOD.  I noticed after dying multiple times from a terr that its bullets just come out at such a quicky rate that if you get stuck in a bullet line for even a second, you sustain major damage.  I realized that the bullets are probably even better than a jav's so X`terrania and I tested it.  We went toe to toe and started shooting at the same time, and...TERRIER killed the JAV.  Jav no longer has the best bullets..and that needs to be changed, and quickly.

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[axius]

lolol ice

[Greased_Lightning]

OKay, havent been able to really play cuz of lagginess here at school... but so far this is what i think:

 

Map, meh, i like the east west but the old map was fun too so we'll see how that turns out....

Sets are ok save for the terrier... the bullets are too rapid for it as everybody's been saying about it compared to the jav. Now, those of you who think its fine are insane because now you have a ship that can lay mines, shoots powerful 1 bounce bombs, out-or equal gun a jav straight up, and still has 3 repels to get away ... that is bull!@#$%^&*. WHy not give it shields and rockets and paint it rainbow colors if you want it to be so gay?

 

Remember BALANCE. If you want to keep the terr like that, fine... then give jav a rep and fast gun rate

 

Levi is okay, havent gotten a chance to play with it or much anything else yet but I can see easily that the terr is too out of whack...change it. As for the map, remains to be seen whether this does anything for pub pop. At the moment pub has good pop, BUT a lot of that can be attributed to the change and the fact that there was no rumble...in two weeks, chances are pop will settle back to what it was before because the novelty will have worn off..... lol i just looked back into pub and a rumble has started ... 5 ppl in pub oh make that 6 heheh

 

I'd say keep these changes up for a week or so and then have a vote...but the terr needs to be changed, that seems to be the overwhelming feeling.

 

Finally on a personal note: Stockholm, I'm not trying to be an !@#$%^&*hole here, but since you are new, don't lecture people on how things should be... players who have been in 17th through thick and thin remember how it used to be and the changes in the past few years. Please keep that in mind.

[axius]

they do give sheilds.....

 

most goals+!@#$%^&*its or whatever and you get little bonuses like sheilds....attempt to win over the critics

[Vile Requiem]

Everything is fine now, the galaxy is at peace.

And all it took was turning exact damage off

[axius]

So I lay this upon everyone who dislikes the change because:

1) it has weakened their ship in their eyes (too lazy to relearn something quickly)

2) Your favourite hidey hole has been removed

3) Your favourite 'trap' or 'signature spot' has been changed or removed

4) You just dislike having to greater your skills on SS

 

or else i just like the old settings, no actual reasons required <_<

 

This change will make or break 17th if it says permanant. I hope it will, I have faith ^^

Do you? Every single one of you who doubts these settings to the one that was KILLING pub.

 

you make it sound like a disease that slowly torments pub...squeezing the life out of it...giving it a slow painfull death....

 

I feel although alot of people will whine and complain, most will get over it, more will be drawn in and the zone population will grow. !@#$%^&* at 9 v 9 in pubc, how can you complain at the moment?

 

actually, pub can be pretty active in the early evenings (CST for me). its only 9v9 during the day...because people have lives....or an event it hosted, like javwar

[Tex]

GAAA! The pub i have come to know and love is gone!    Whos with me?! Surge against these tides of change! I vote go back to the way pub was before this change!

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

Sure, If you want a dead pub, let's go back to old settings!

 

If you want a new, fresh look, more population, then let's stay with current pub.

 

If you want to accomplish something (change something about pub) simply saying that you want it the old way will not work.

 

I recommend you set up a pole, or you actually give GOOD idea's to staff. (Smod, Sysops) But simply saying, I want old pub back, a few hours after the new one is put up is not only stupid, but stubborn.

 

-Tex

[AndurilFlameoftheWest]

Changing the ship sets and our hidey holes is like somebody coming in and taking away your favorite chair and replacing it with metal spikes and instead of the playoffs on tv, you get Martha Stewart teaching you how to cook a french dish. Which for some of you you might actually like that, wouldnt surprise me.

It takes a brutally painstaking long time for a person to get comfortable with this game. Ive seen new people come in, i believe the term is newbs and they leave in 10 minutes because they keep getting their !@#$%^&* wooped. but for the few that stick it out and find their ship they become comfortable with it. When i play different ships, i admit im not quite as good with them, yet. But whenever i go back to levi (the way it was for a while) i feel good and i do double what i do in other ships as far as reccing, and overall play.

So yes. I miss my hidey hole and ship sets. I love my levi, and i still can dominate in it, but not quite as profound and if i cannot play to a level of my liking, its crap. Bases north and south do not work. For one, its really wierd to say NORTH ATTACH! Two, the layout of the bases are obtrusive and annoying as !@#$%^&*. And it goes against the norm of football, soccor, hockey and reading common literature. Left to right, right to left. It comes natural, more fun, more ease.

Staff recently has developed some sorta shock and awe strategy i believe. They have had a buildup of changes in the past few weeks, leading up to the coup de etat. They dont talk in the forums, if they do its an attempt to prove you wrong and not to accept ideas and help. I like a few of the staffers im not knocking all completely. But this is !@#$%^&*. Flat out !@#$%^&*. You had a good thing going over the summerr with "freaky friday" and while people disagreed with maps, there were some, one at least better than this current map and it at least looked like you had an interest in what pub said.

Vote bot. Get the !@#$%^&* thing in there. If you dont care for forum polls and posts, then get that thing up. If you wanted to raise population in pub, you could have done the very things you did today in the good pub. I fail for the life of me understand why you did jack !@#$%^&* then and all of a sudden with a new map you spring to life, and !@#$%^&* pernille actually talked! She even argued! Im out of words. Show some literacy skills and read this, contemplate it, let it settle in the dark caverns of your brain. You could do more with less if you would actually work with the other pub and stop !@#$%^&*ing with the sets.

[Tempest]

It takes a brutally painstaking long time for a person to get comfortable with this game. Ive seen new people come in, i believe the term is newbs and they leave in 10 minutes because they keep getting their !@#$%^&* wooped. but for the few that stick it out and find their ship they become comfortable with it.

Notice how you seem to be undermining your own argument here. If newbies seem to leave in 10 minutes, it's time to change the sets. Yes, you get comfortable with a ship. But when change is required, you adapt to them, or you wouldn't be much of a player.

 

So yes. I miss my hidey hole and ship sets. I love my levi, and i still can dominate in it, but not quite as profound and if i cannot play to a level of my liking, its crap.

 

No offense intended, but this sounds ridiculously selfish. You'd rather let the zone decline so long as you can kill in a levi? If it's necessary to change the sets for whatever reason, then so be it. Just because you aren't used to a specific ship and can't 'dominate' in it doesn't mean it's 'crap'.

 

Bases north and south do not work.

For the past year or more, the so-called 'vets' on the forum and in the zone have been arguing to bring north / south bases back. 17th was a north / south setup from its earliest days, including the fabled oldmap period. In fact, 17th had its greatest population peak when the map was north / south, and I fail to see why it shouldn't 'work' now.

 

and reading common literature.

 

Pretensious rubbish. Back up your statements.

 

It comes natural, more fun, more ease.

 

Because that's what you're used to. You seem to be taking by far too much of a subjectivist approach. What seems bad to you might not for the majority other players, as the north / south statement demonstrates.

[»Maverick]

Settings does not match the map. (Tube - weasel is not 1x1). Map is ugly to say the least.

Settings are like every ship is almost the same. No difference between ships.

Needs more time to test but maybe this is a step in the right direction. It could be a step in the wrong direction too, who knows. Its about people having fun playing (and attracting other people).

[SeVeR]

I love the new wb, terr and weasel. All the other ships should have remained the same. Overall these are better sets.

 

The map can't last more than a few days i'm hoping. I don't know how well these sets would fit the previous map but one thing Telson could try with this one is to bring the bases closer together making a much smaller centre where only the ball spawns. Then to the west and east players would spawn either in safeties or their own little areas. As it is currently the baseplay is less-existent than it was because the bases are so out of the action.

[Incomplete]

You would prefere to be playing 4v4 on the old maps and settings or having a 10v10 match?

 

No matter what change happens, you will all complain, get over it

[pen expers]

The map is...ok, I like the tiles, and I admit the old one was getting boring. However people knew the old one well, like someone else pointed out it takes a long time to get used to a new map, especially considering some ships work better in small spaces than big ones (eg spider), and these have changed a lot.

 

Maybe this new map will work, but it is a big change, and for example, if you save the ball right next to the south goal, then look at the alt map to see how far you have to go to get it to north goal, in particular with little or no help, its definatly off putting.

 

The ship settings I like less. I only play the warbird. The warbird (to me) is not a great fighter, but its good against cloaked ships and with the ball. It seems to have got a bad deal on this map though:

 

- the burst has less bullets than before, making it harder to shake chasing ships in bases,

- antiwarp doesnt seem useful, since i saw hardly any ships using portal

- the energy, 1600 is terrible. It hardly takes any damage before blowing up, especially from javelins. This isnt good when you're up against several ships defending a base entrance (for example). Or even just flying though the center when its busy.

- brick is useless. i don't like using it anyway, maybe thats just me. i would of prefered even a single mine.

- the afterburner is good.

- the bombs are faster, which makes it easier but i don't think it was really necessary.

 

Maybe i'll get used to it, maybe not.

 

The other ships I can't really tell, since i dont play them. But in particular the weasel mine is shocking. Its just random lucky killing. At least - take away its prox.

Similar problems with terrier I think - its bombs don't take skill, its just random shooting until they kill something.

 

Other things going on, like the bounce rabbit game and bounce for most goals/!@#$%^&*ists are a good idea, they should be permanant.

 

So overall I don't know. Anything that increases pub population is good, but changing the iden!@#$%^&*y of the zone (map and settings), it just seems very risky.

[Incomplete]

If something wasn't done then you could have been playing a ball game by yourself.

 

Alot of hard work has gone into making all this happen so you should appreciate what has been done.

 

There are alternatives to flying through center pen, that is, fly around it.

 

In my opinion, the warbird was too strong in the older settings, it was too strong before and now its about even.

[»Maverick]

No matter what change happens, you will all complain, get over it

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

If something wasn't done then you could have been playing a ball game by yourself.

 

Alot of hard work has gone into making all this happen so you should appreciate what has been done.

Don't go say that people can't give their comments and opinion about this. These people actually play the map and experience the settings. They must be the ones that like it or not.

So just listen instead of saying that people shouldn't complain

[Incomplete]

You should know that MMaverick, I didn't say they couldn't have their opinions but they always take the negative sides of things, no matter what the change is.

 

I also see people complaining about the new settings before they have even tried them.

[»Maverick]

Maybe you see it that way, but most people here say that these settings actually have a future. Always try to read through the lines and check the comments if they are valid or not.

I know it looks like people always complain even after you have had alot of work into something; I only see that as a good thing. Shows the idea is more then correct and it only needs some adjusting to be perfect .

 

Same happened with my 2v2bot back in the days - when it was finished I got alot of complaints about how bad the bot was. Because of the complaints I fixed the bot and now its as good as perfect