Dr Brain Posted December 6, 2004 Report Posted December 6, 2004 Ok, let me get this straight. So, you're not copying me. You're not really even using my basic idea. You're using the name with modification. Why are you even posting here then? To try and get a reaction out of me, I imagine. I don't see any other good reason for you to post. You're right, you couldn't take credits for a pacman zone, but the pacman programmers could. To be fair, there are other space RPGs that came out before Hyperspace's RPG bot. Rogue Trader comes to mind.
Gravitron Posted December 6, 2004 Report Posted December 6, 2004 Rogue Trader was pathetic, and we owned it easily.Stellar Frontier was and still is better.Perhaps it wasn't much RPG, but then again, neither was rogue (drug) trader, nor your zone. Your basic idea?Not so sure what your base was.If you pertain to various crafts to choose from, with its pool widens as you gain more currency, and modifications to these crats inorder to enhance them, then yes, I am using that.If you refer to the different sections to which you can portal to engage at, yes, I might use it, if people still like that thing.Perhaps I'll even implement a goal and a flag game, just for kicks (and why not, I can incooperate different game types, after all, then again, I'm striving for a space action-RPG, not extreme games, eww). I also plan to milk the gameplay a lot further and enrich the RPG elements than you have done thus far. I'm not copying your zone, per-sa (like, setting by setting, ship by ship, tile by tile).Yes, I might have told you on some medium that I was going to remake your zone, but since then I changed my mind (why copy when you can make BETTER) and decided to build a far greater stracture than your little thing.I might use same notions, to entertain the populance, but I'm not going to copy it.Not same graphics, not same settings, not same upgrading (so to speak), you won't be able to co-currently own all ships and switch easily at will (I might work on that sometime later) and a lot much more crafts, gadgets and general RPG content. Why do I post here?Because I believe what I am doing will appeal to your current population, and I think they'll be glad for a nice zone, without abusive ops and silly speach rules (?ignore is your best friend), better client, better server (ex. you can keep speed after passthing through the gateway portal, or get full stop...it'll be polled) and so on. And yes, you may take credits for your code work.Like miss-erected and pricktech can (partially) take for theirs (they did reverse engineered SS after all, so it's not so much of an original code).But in the end of the day, the concept, is not yours (and in the case of things like pacman, the copyrights probably are already belonging to somebody else).Nintendo to shutdown Trench? If only... The reaction from you I'll get if and when I see you at my zone, looking at all your ex-players having fun there, realising what a crap of a sysop you've been.More of a lesson for you really, rather than gain for me.Sure, I get my kicks out of it, but at the end, I am as always, servant of the people.Just some gamer, like a calfornian surfer, looking for the ultimate perfect game to provide the tsunami of entertainment and fun and wanting to share it with the rest of the gamers.(California Games, old school games kingdomship) "I Have A Dream..." - Martin Luther King, Jr
Dr Brain Posted December 6, 2004 Report Posted December 6, 2004 Mmm, that's what I figured. No real reason. Well, good luck anyway. In the future, start a new topic rather than posting at the end of an old one.
Gravitron Posted December 6, 2004 Report Posted December 6, 2004 Why cram the SQL DB, I can use the existing thread. Reason being, as said : whoever played this zone, expect a better one which I'm making, more fun, hope you enjoy, I let you know it's in the making now, and I'll return later to let you know W.I.D. and to come and enjoy yourselves. It's called creating an interest in the demographic, maybe you've heard of it. And if you can't think of a decent reply (relative, with logical arguments), just hold back and stop yourself from looking like a shameful standing babbling embar!@#$%^&*ment.These pittyful attempts at jabbing me are...sad.Pretend you're your zone, hang a "closed for renovations" sign on your avatar and remain silent and dorment. g'nite
rogh Posted December 7, 2004 Report Posted December 7, 2004 half of that conversation made it into my head, the other half bounced out.
Boldot Posted December 7, 2004 Report Posted December 7, 2004 So basically, you're taking the original concept of the "Hyperspace" zone, changing !@#$%^&* near everything, then saying you've improved on something? It sounds like you're making something else entirely. Hyperspace would not be Hyperspace without the crazy mods with quirks, the nutty players, and the environment. It doesn't matter what kind of half-!@#$%^&*ed and stupid argument you try to make. You are not making Hyperspace. Ooh, you might call it "HyperSpace" but then you're still just making more things different from the original.Another thing, wtf is your problem? Why do you feel the need to try and insult everyone and attempt to feel superior? Go ahead and criticize my spelling or whatever lame !@#$%^&* you try to do, or oooh netban me too while you're at it. No, I'm not trying to stand up for Brain, I'm just saying; You, Sir, are being an !@#$%^&*hole of the grandest kind. "Go away, and never come back!"--Gollum
chocko_cc Posted December 7, 2004 Report Posted December 7, 2004 Go ahead and criticize my spelling or whatever lame !@#$%^&* you try to do, <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Relax, for his spelling is a lot worse than yours. Although he does put a good sentence together.
Dr Brain Posted December 7, 2004 Report Posted December 7, 2004 Hyperspace would not be Hyperspace without the crazy mods with quirks, the nutty players, and the environment. It doesnt matter what kind of half-!@#$%^&*ed and stupid argument you try to make. You are not making Hyperspace. That's kinda where I was going with my first couple posts, though I didn't want to say something totally cliche like "The spirit of the zone lies not in zone features, but instead in the hearts of the players." Thanks for putting it better than I could.
Lanvalk Posted December 7, 2004 Report Posted December 7, 2004 Heh, I still remember why I came to this zone in the first place. It wasn't because of "features" or "an innovative system".It was because, as a friend of mine put it, it was a very friendly zone, where you can actually have a decent conversation with the populace more than once a month. I came here because it's a nice place, not because of the game itself. Heck, HS has often been something of a spec and chat zone, even before the changes.To quote someone else who I don't remember, "SS is a chat client with a 2d Spaceship Game as a side thing".
nikegurl637 Posted December 7, 2004 Report Posted December 7, 2004 Grav just goes out of his way to make trouble and be arrogant.
Gravitron Posted December 7, 2004 Report Posted December 7, 2004 Grav just goes out of his way to make trouble and be arrogant. Coming from the girl with the dominatrix complex, it is a most flattering compliment.And tell me little one, what does your smear (of me) of a post serves other than to trash me? I do not consider posting on a forum going out of my way.If you do, then perhaps you need to examine yourself, as it is exactly that which you are doing, "going out of your way" to be arrogant towards me. Neither do I intend to make trouble, if I made trouble, I apologize, but I believe that your perception is a wrong one, so if you could, please try not to think of it as trouble, as it is certainly not my intention. You are of course welcomed to join my zone once it's ready, but I fear you will not be able to enjoy the powertrip of cracking whip at poor players who cannot defend themselves.I do not intend to provide your kind of players staff position. Heh, I still remember why I came to this zone in the first place...it was a very friendly zone, where you can actually have a decent conversation with the populace more than once a month...Heck, HS has often been something of a spec and chat zone...To quote someone else who I don't remember, "SS is a chat client with a 2d Spaceship Game as a side thing".Any zone can have a decent conversation and a "friendly" sub--*BAD WORD*-le tag(one, which I feel left dr. brain's zone long ago), it all depends on the populaction.Many zones now and before been no more than a gathering place to watch people play and chat a long.There are also the chat channels so no zone in particular is just a chat zone.It all depends greatly on the population itself.This quote has been said throughout VIE.The last I heard to utter it would've been either our benefactor friend E. or i88gerbiles. That's kinda where I was going with my first couple posts, though I didn't want to say something totally cliche like "The spirit of the zone lies not in zone features, but instead in the hearts of the players." Thanks for putting it better than I could.You have said many things, none of which were in that direction.In addition, there's nothing cliched about that.It's decent and true. Go ahead and criticize my spelling or whatever lame !@#$%^&* you try to do, or oooh netban me too while you're at it. No, I'm not trying to stand up for Brain, I'm just saying; You, Sir, are being an !@#$%^&*hole of the grandest kind.Oh?Why?Why, why, why why why?No to the first, no to the middle, no to the last.No to it all from the first letter to last.I have no reason to criticize you, infact you had raised several points which I'll attempt to adress soon.Also, you are at fault, I am not an !@#$%^&*hole of the grandest kind, I am an !@#$%^&*hole of the minor kind, there are by far and large many much bigger ones.Trust me, I've treaded around long enough to encounter them. So basically, you're taking the original concept of the "Hyperspace" zone, changing !@#$%^&* near everything, then saying you've improved on something? It sounds like you're making something else entirely.Negatory ace.I'm taking principle notions and expanding them, whilest so and in the midst of, improving them overall.It's not entirely something else, nor will it be an exact copy, we each curve the rock at our own unique way, results may not differ much, quality will vary from one to the other, I intend to do better (utilizing a better platform and, consequentialy, design while making the experience much larger altogether).I am not very articulate, so I cannot describe and explain it exactly in words, I suppose the best response is that, "you'll understand when you see/play it".  Hyperspace would not be Hyperspace without the crazy mods with quirks, the nutty players, and the environment. It doesn't matter...You are not making Hyperspace. That is true, I am doing something different.And as I had said in the beginning, it is indeed about the players.Furthermore, I see no reason why that, if you all or most of you migrate over, this community will not maintain its integrity and current (overall/general) stracture.So, if you find the fun in the players, you will still continue to find it in my zone as well.Don't knock it out before you try it, you might like it and keep your friends, so you can enjoy both. I would also like to comment about the "crazy mods with quirks".Personally, I do not find staff who abuse their position to gain benefits against players or satisfy their perverted needs by hurting players directly.If you think it's fun, I'm certain dr. brain would welcome you to his zone.I do not object that these mods will come play at my zone, as regular players, they will not, however, be endowed with responsibility (and authority) which will allow them to treat badly my playerbase after proving themselves to be so.So, you will still have crazy quirky people, only they will not be able to ban you or anyone else once a day.  Ooh, you might call it "HyperSpace" but then you're still just making more things different from the original.Another thing, wtf is your problem? Why do you feel the need to try and insult everyone and attempt to feel superior? Yes, I like the name, it has been used plenty of times before.I could as much call it "outer frontier" but I do not like that name in particular.Maybe I should put it to a poll as well? We'll see. My problem? 24 hours a day, as I've found out, are insufficient and a shortage of funds (about 20 millions of US dollars I believe, are keeping me from my game dream). I don't feel some certain "the need" or any "a need", for that matter, to try and insult everyone.First and foremost, if I'm sensing someone is insulting (or attempting to) me, I return in the same coin.Sometimes, I am insulted by a person for being what he is, stands for, their actions, etc. so I express my oppinion on that via an insult.In addition, you might say I've been "bred" during the VIE era, whereas the society was highly comprised of the trash talk culture as a mundane custom, wittly one or otherwise, and partially as a measurement of one's "eliteness" (mouth as well as flying skills made up one's value). Why do I feel superior?Extensive knowledge in a myraid of vast areas, and some some ego.As for the latter, I'm trying a lot to supress it.I also posses a hard belief in the righteous of my convictions and moral values.I suppose that in a sense, it is better than one who constantly criticize himself, belittling himself and his works. I never asked to nor wish to be a martyr, it is unbecoming as far as I'm concerned.Besides, I have (almost) nothing to be ashamed of, I stand by my actions. If this is going to become some sort of a trial, I'll testify right now:I am not without fault, I am not perfect, never claimed to be never will (claim or be).I have made mistakes in the past, I will continue to make mistakes in the future, I try to learn from them to my best.I have wronged people before, I hope it will not repeat ever again.In the end, I =AM= only human. I hope that I've managed to answer all your questions and cover all the issues.Be well, and sorry for the bad grammar (I can even now see much of, oppsie).
Dr Brain Posted December 7, 2004 Report Posted December 7, 2004 Translation for those who don't want to read his post: Grav> I'm smart. You're dumb.Grav> Don't call me names you @#$#$^#er. Calling names is childish and immature you f'in -*BAD WORD*-brain.Grav> I'm perfect. Love me.Grav> Brain doesn't do enough for Hyperspace. As it turns out, I just found out that I don't have a lot of time, either, but I'm still better than that .
Gravitron Posted December 7, 2004 Report Posted December 7, 2004 Brain, HS Trash Forum is that way --->. Keep your sillies to yourself or post something sincere and relative, for a change.
Dr Brain Posted December 7, 2004 Report Posted December 7, 2004 I have been nothing but nice to you. You have slammed my zone, my mods and my players. You have insulted my inteligence and the intelligence of the intelligence of the other readers of this forum. And now you're telling me to take it to trash talk? I've decided to stop being nice. Grow up.
Gravitron Posted December 7, 2004 Report Posted December 7, 2004 Dissing instead of presenting counter arguments to support your reasonings is being nice? I haven't insulted anyone's intelligence, you would need to be unintelligent to be insulted err have your intelligence insulted, well, something like that.Ad since everyone here are quite intelligent, I do not see that happening.I have insulted, as I have been insulted, but none's intelligence has been insulted. Your zone is lacking, its software is lacking, it is good on some aspects, but some others turn it very bad.Your players, aside some very few whose names escape me, some of which been banned as far as memory serves, I have no quarrel with.As for your staff, some are alright, some are unfitting for the position. Regarding you, yourself, I think you are a petty person, somewhat out of touch with the real world, so to speak (in the sense of being dreamy...spaced out wise, not meaning delusional wise).You are intelligent, enough to know that I have not been insulting your intelligence.I would and do, however, insult you personaly.I dislike you, not so much on a personal grounds, as just is the case so seem to happen, simple as that, I find you unlikeable. You have not been nice to me, I take that as a false statement.I have seen nothing but apathy or threats laced with downright blatant abuse from you towards your playerbase, myself included. You are capable, such as you made the bots (or so I am led to believe, correct me if I'm wrong) but in some things, you are also not.You definately have failed both in reasoning your cases and in trash talking (to which you have turned to time and time again once you ran out of logical arguments). I will tell you this, while you're bussy posting dissing replies to me, I'm working on my zone, even now in the middle of posting this.If you care for your zone or your playerbase, you might find it unwise to sit here and diss me, wasting precious time, instead of serving your players and working on these renovations you are upto, so you can finish as soon as possible so your players can resume playing.It's in their best interest.I can linger all I wish, if I do not come forth, the players will dismiss me being unreliable and move on, it only hurts me, not them and I can always come up with other players and finish it another day.But if you neglect your duty towards them, you will suffer an immeasureable blow and lose their favor.Sort your priorities.
Dr Brain Posted December 7, 2004 Report Posted December 7, 2004 I'd say this has gone on far enough. If you want to advertize, you've done that quite well. If you want to prevoke me, some might say you've done that farily well too. If you'd like to continue, you may feel free to do so in private. You still have my ICQ number. Locked.
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